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Mainehockey33

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The difference is if you trade Ullmark you still have Swayman behind him. If you trade Coyle you have....Frederic? Beecher?

In addition what does Coyle even get you? Does he have value at his contract?
I’m not sure if they want to play Frederic as 4C before moving up to 3C but I think he’s a possibility. They could sign a UFA center. I think they need some new blood on the team next year.

I wouldn’t move Coyle for the return.
 

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Not sure if they can but if there is a taker I would hope he’s gone.
Fwiw, I don't think he's movable. I don't think Forbort is movable either. Honestly, I don't even know if Hall is movable. Would you trade for a 32 year old, $6m winger who's put up around 50-60 points the last two years and is signed for 2 more years? That's a hard sell in a flat cap when teams are tight against the cap.

I would think the guys who would be easy to move are Ullmark, DeBrusk and Grzelcyk. (I'm not sure how the B's fill the hole in the top4 for less than $3.6m, but maybe they decide it makes more sense to pay someone that Monty likes $5m rather than pay someone he doesn't like $3.6m).
 
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Fwiw, I don't think he's movable. I don't think Forbort is movable either. Honestly, I don't even know if Hall is movable. Would you trade for a 32 year old, $6m winger who's put up around 50-60 points the last two years and is signed for 2 more years? That's a hard sell in a flat cap when teams are tight against the cap.

I would think the guys who would be easy to move are Ullmark, DeBrusk and Grzelcyk. (I'm not sure how the B's fill the hole in the top4 for less than $3.6m, but maybe they decide it makes more sense to pay someone $5m that Monty likes rather than pay $3.6m for someone he doesn't like).
Filling gaping holes in the roster will be what fans have to get accustomed to.

Wheres the left wing depth? Uhh it's right there. You just might not recognize the name.(average fan pov)
 
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Is the team better next year with Ullmark or Coyle? I see people quick to move on from a goalie that had 40 wins last season when they have a 45 point center that makes more money than Ullmark, has had 3 bad playoffs in a row, is older than Ullmark and has 3 years left on his deal.

I’d still trade Ullmark if they can get good assets in return.
They were better off keeping Haula as their 3C and moving Coyle. Haula signed at less than half of what Coyle makes. 2021-22 season both scored 44 points (Haula in 4 less games). Haula +19 (TOI 15:06), Coyle -6 (TOI 17:24). Haula FO% 53.8, Coyle 49.1

No brainer. I have zero issue moving Ullmark and riding Swayman. Especially if Ullmark wins the Vezina. Pittsburgh & Chicago won multiple Cups with their core using different goaltenders.
 
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No brainer. I have zero issue moving Ullmark and riding Swayman. Especially if Ullmark wins the Vezina. Pittsburgh & Chicago won multiple Cups with their core using different goaltenders.
I’d rather have Haula at his cap hit over Coyle, but Haula for Zacha was a good trade. If Merkulov or Coyle isn’t ready I’m sure there will be a 3C on the UFA market this summer. Like others have said, might not be easy to move Coyle.
 
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I’d rather have Haula at his cap hit over Coyle, but Haula for Zacha was a good trade. If Merkulov or Coyle isn’t ready I’m sure there will be a 3C on the UFA market this summer. Like others have said, might not be easy to move Coyle.
Fantastic trade. I like Coyle but I wouldn’t shed a tear if he’s moved for cap. When he’s on he’s hard contain, but he’s not always on.

I’m of the mindset if Bergeron retires it’s retool time. Id be on board missing the playoffs a couple of years to restock the cupboards.
 
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Fantastic trade. I like Coyle but I wouldn’t shed a tear if he’s moved for cap. When he’s on he’s hard contain, but he’s not always on.

I’m of the mindset if Bergeron retires it’s retool time. Id be on board missing the playoffs a couple of years to restock the cupboards.
I think they have to retool whether or not Bergeron comes back. The defense is the easiest to do it with Clifton gone and possibly moving Grizz and Forbort. Zacha playing Krejci’s role next year is good. Time to see if Frederic or Merkulov are ready and resign Bertuzzi.

Sounds like Merkulov is better at center, Frederic can play RW.

Hall-Merkulov-Frederic
Lauko-Beecher-Hathaway

They could also sign a UFA for 3C
 

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I know I'll get blasted but if the ducks wanna move the needle and become relevant next year for a playodff run they need a guy like pasta . Pasta for 2nd overall . We then draft fantilli and the money saved bertuzzi slides in. Fantilli a future center stud that takes the torch from Bergy . Doubt ducks do it though .
 
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They were better off keeping Haula as their 3C and moving Coyle. Haula signed at less than half of what Coyle makes. 2021-22 season both scored 44 points (Haula in 4 less games). Haula +19 (TOI 15:06), Coyle -6 (TOI 17:24). Haula FO% 53.8, Coyle 49.1

No brainer. I have zero issue moving Ullmark and riding Swayman. Especially if Ullmark wins the Vezina. Pittsburgh & Chicago won multiple Cups with their core using different goaltenders.
What? Hauls was a no show as much as Coyle. Yes, his team is still playing. He’s more skill and not physical. At least they have a hard time with Coyle when he’s on. Coyle had a good year.
 
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They were better off keeping Haula as their 3C and moving Coyle. Haula signed at less than half of what Coyle makes. 2021-22 season both scored 44 points (Haula in 4 less games). Haula +19 (TOI 15:06), Coyle -6 (TOI 17:24). Haula FO% 53.8, Coyle 49.1

No brainer. I have zero issue moving Ullmark and riding Swayman. Especially if Ullmark wins the Vezina. Pittsburgh & Chicago won multiple Cups with their core using different goaltenders.

Look at their common linemates tho
 
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if bert's money demands dont line up with what you think you can give him given other deals, another thought is to trade is rights to a team that wants to give him the 8th year. maybe get a 3rd this year
 

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How do they trade Coyle if all the bolded is true?
I do not know what Coyle's analytics are but if they are decent, to go along with a good regular season, you may be able to move him. He will be a challenge due to his limited NTC but I am sure they could move him to clear cap space for an equally productive 3rd line center with a smaller contract.
 

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I do not know what Coyle's analytics are but if they are decent, to go along with a good regular season, you may be able to move him. He will be a challenge due to his limited NTC but I am sure they could move him to clear cap space for an equally productive 3rd line center with a smaller contract.
I'm not trying to be an ass, but I'd love an example of who you're going to get that is putting up 40 even strength points on the 3rd line for less money?
 

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Fantastic trade. I like Coyle but I wouldn’t shed a tear if he’s moved for cap. When he’s on he’s hard contain, but he’s not always on.

I’m of the mindset if Bergeron retires it’s retool time. Id be on board missing the playoffs a couple of years to restock the cupboards.
Agree with you about retooling but there is no way JJ forgoes playoff money, even just 2 or 3 games.
 

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I'm not trying to be an ass, but I'd love an example of who you're going to get that is putting up 40 even strength points on the 3rd line for less money?
Jordan Stall, Eric Stall, Travis Boyd, Max Domi, Colton Sissons, nick Paul, Nick Bjugstad. That's off the top of my head, all make less than Coyle and are within 10 points of his career average. I don't like a few of those players but think they can play third line center and allow you to move Coyle to free up space to sign or trade for a legitimate second line center, that is not Coyle and never will be.

Coyle at three million a year I would be fine with but not at 5 plus
 
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Jordan Stall, Eric Stall, Travis Boyd, Max Domi, Colton Sissons, nick Paul, Nick Bjugstad. That's off the top of my head, all make less than Coyle and are within 10 points of his career average. I don't like a few of those players but think they can play third line center and allow you to move Coyle to free up space to sign or trade for a legate second line center, that is not Coyle and never will be.

Coyle at three million a year I would be fine with but not at 5 plus
Fair enough, I'm not thrilled with most those names, but to save some cap I suppose I can live with the downgrade, especially on the 3rd line. Other options are try Frederic at 3C or take a risk on a youngish UFA option breaking through such as Colin White. Sean Monahan could be an interesting one year stop gap if Coyle is moved.
 

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if bert's money demands dont line up with what you think you can give him given other deals, another thought is to trade is rights to a team that wants to give him the 8th year. maybe get a 3rd this year

IIRC you have to own the player before the TDL to offer the 8th year, so would have to be some kind of sign and trade.
 
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What? Hauls was a no show as much as Coyle. Yes, his team is still playing. He’s more skill and not physical. At least they have a hard time with Coyle when he’s on. Coyle had a good year.
My point is Coyle makes 3m more per season than Haula. Is Coyle 3m better? I say no. And I’m a Coyle fan
 
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I do not know what Coyle's analytics are but if they are decent, to go along with a good regular season, you may be able to move him. He will be a challenge due to his limited NTC but I am sure they could move him to clear cap space for an equally productive 3rd line center with a smaller contract.
Then you need two centers. How much left does he have in his current contract? I don’t think he was a problem.

My point is Coyle makes 3m more per season than Haula. Is Coyle 3m better? I say no. And I’m a Coyle fan
Maybe not, but he sure does look good when he’s in the zone. I think he stepped up this year in that regard.
 
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Fair enough, I'm not thrilled with most those names, but to save some cap I suppose I can live with the downgrade, especially on the 3rd line. Other options are try Frederic at 3C or take a risk on a youngish UFA option breaking through such as Colin White. Sean Monahan could be an interesting one year stop gap if Coyle is moved.
I really like the idea of Monahan, problem is he made over 6M last year and , while I am sure he knows he needs to take a reduction in salary, I wonder how low he would go. There is still upside there if he can avoid injuries.
 
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