Morgan Rielly cross check to the head of Ridley Greig (DOPS UPDATE: In Person Hearing - 6 games or more possible)

[Kegu]

What’s wrong with shooting a puck into the net when the game’s over? Why did it need a reaction at all?

In my opinion it didn't need a reaction at all, neither of them did. But while we're at it, one is a reaction that I would expect. THE OTHER IS A CROSS CHECK TO THE HEAD.
If the leafs responded like the flames this entire thread is moot, and we would be talking about how leaf fans are offended by a slapshot, and not THE CROSS CHECK TO THE HEAD.

 

[Kegu]

How long after the whistle never mattered for crosschecks because no player is ever eligible to be cross checked. You’re mistakingly applying hitting rules to cross check rules.

It matters for hits because a player is eligible to be hit for a certain period.

By definition every crosscheck is predatory.

I don't think he is. A late hit is not the same as play stopping and deciding you're going to go and cross check a player after the whistle has gone.

 

[Divine]

I don't think he is. A late hit is not the same as play stopping and deciding you're going to go and cross check a player after the whistle has gone.

The latter happens fairly often. Crosschecks after a whistle go unpenalized much more often than hits after a whistle. Especially after a goalie has frozen the puck.

Brad Marchand is the king of crosschecks in scrums after the play is dead without penalty.

 

[pcruz]

What is the point you're making? Kesler shot the puck after the final whistle, so not quite the same thing. And you know what didnt happen? A CROSS CHECK TO THE HEAD. If Rielly had done what Wideman did it would have had the same result... Some roughing minors and everything would have been all hunky-dory.

Here is someone who both doesn't understand parallels and needs a new prescription.

 

[Goose]

Maybe Rielly will argue that Grieg doesn’t have many brain cells to damage in the first place, which is actually a somewhat compelling argument.

Still, dirty hit that deserves three games.

Good game Ottawa, they played well, deserved the win.

 

[pb1300]

Not sure Benn even got a penalty for injuring Matthews with some cross checks to the lower back, making him a handful of games.

We're you vocal then about suspending Benn?

Strange.


We're you vocal about Marchand deserving a suspension when he tripped Liljigren earlier this season and smashed up his ankle pretty good. The kid missed 2 months of the year.

No?


Hmm.

Did you go back and look for any comments of mine during those events? I doubt it, so WTF are you talking about?

I would have called out the player 1000% if the roles were reversed, and a Leafs player was hit like Greig was tonight. Dont even start that double standard bullshit...you Leafs fans are the kings of it.

This board would blow up if this happened to Matthews. Since it was a Leafs player though making the dangerous play, you guys want to find every excuse in the book to defend it. Pathetic.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The DeShaun Jackson punt return probably isn't the best comparison because:
a) That was a go-ahead TD that ultimately won the game. The Eagles weren't leading before that.
b) The running across the line was him making sure no time was left. There was a point to doing it.

A better football comparison would be having a lead, ball at the opponent's 20, with 5 seconds left, and the other team has no timeouts. A situation where you would kneel down and end the game. Now imagine if you instead fake kneel and then uncork a TD pass. That would probably be equivalent to what he did. That would definitely raise quite a few eyebrows at any level of football.

Actually you're right. I feel like I'm still traumatized by that play so maybe I'm not the best arbiter of it, plus he's been known to do idiotic things. So I stand corrected on that. (Deshaun Jackson play).

That said I don't see how that's the same as fake kneeling and throwing a TD pass. It's accepted in the NHL that it's OK to shoot for the empty net no matter how much time is left. So there's no kneeling equivalent in the NHL. The problem wasn't that he shot it in an empty net in a guaranteed win, the problem is that he slap shot it. It's like a quarterback instead of lobbing it to an open receiver throwing a rocket in his hands. Completely irrelevant.

 

[pth2]

That would deserve a suspension if it happened during play. After a stoppage, with the game essentially over, that deserves a longer suspension.

I'll be disappointed if he doesn't get 5 games or more.

 

[Kegu]

Here is someone who both doesn't understand parallels and needs a new prescription.

Oh please enlighten me as to what I am missing. I've been consistent with my views on the matter.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

This should be 2+ games (min). But I'd honestly be shocked if there is any suspension.

NHL dops is a complete clown show

 

[pb1300]

There always is. People just pretend it’s never happened before.

Again, for the millionth time by everyone...nobody has a problem with that, because it was a SHOULDER BUMP, not a CROSSCHECK TO THE HEAD!

Big difference between the two plays.

 

[Kegu]

The latter happens fairly often. Crosschecks after a whistle go unpenalized much more often than hits after a whistle. Especially after a goalie has frozen the puck.

Brad Marchand is the king of crosschecks in scrums after the play is dead without penalty.

A cross check in a scrum is not the same thing.

Again, for the millionth time by everyone...nobody has a problem with that, because it was a SHOULDER BUMP, not a CROSSCHECK TO THE HEAD!

Big difference between the two plays.

Maybe they're talking about Wideman? Maybe they missed him dropping his stick before getting engaged.

 

[CF84]

21 games like Dale Hunter. Come on NHL. Do you have the balls to be consistent?

 

[pcruz]

Actually you're right. I feel like I'm still traumatized by that play so maybe I'm not the best arbiter of it, plus he's been known to do idiotic things. So I stand corrected on that.

That said I don't see how that's the same as fake kneeling and throwing a TD pass. It's accepted in the NHL that it's OK to shoot for the empty net no matter how much time is left. So there's no kneeling equivalent in the NHL. The problem wasn't that he shot it in an empty net in a guaranteed win, the problem is that he slap shot it. It's like a quarterback instead of lobbing it to an open receiver throwing a rocket in his hands. Completely irrelevant.

No, he is right.

It happened this season.

The head coaches got together after the game and were both furious.

The coach of the winning team publicly called out his own players for disobeying his called play.

I think the player got cut.

Oh please enlighten me as to what I am missing. I've been consistent with my views on the matter.

You missed the cross check in that CGY video.

Maybe watch it 100 more times and you'll see it.


Just like if you the cross check from tonight, you might notice the initial impact on the shoulder.

Maybe.

Who knows what people see.

 

[mouser]

How long after the whistle never mattered for crosschecks because no player is ever eligible to be cross checked. You’re mistakingly applying hitting rules to cross check rules.

It matters for hits because a player is eligible to be hit for a certain period.

By definition every crosscheck is predatory.

Yet I didn't do that.

Perhaps you're in such a hurry to respond to every possible post that you're not taking the necessary time to process what the other poster actually said?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No, he is right.

It happened this season.

The head coaches got together after the game and were both furious.

The coach of the winning team publicly called out his own players for disobeying his called play.

I think the player got cut.

You mean with the Saints play? How is shooting into an empty net lightly the same as kneeling? The problem isn't scoring it's scoring with a slapshot. There's no such thing as kneeling in the NHL. Players score empty netters with no time left all the time. His analogy doesn't work because it was nothing like what happened in this game.

 

[Divine]

Yet I didn't do that.

Perhaps you're in such a hurry to respond to every possible post that you're not taking the necessary time to process what the other poster actually said?

Nope. I read your post.

When did amount of time after a whistle ever affect a crosscheck?

Brad Marchand does them minutes after a whistle in a scrum before a faceoff without penalty.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

is it any different than a player show boating after they score? does poor sportsmanship somehow absolve Rielly of his actions?
people keep clamoring on about not showboating this dont slapshot that. how about dont cross check players in the head ffs.

Mo shouldn't have done what he did.

The book that will be thrown at him, should be in line with others who have commited his crime.

Simple as that. Let's wait and see.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

In my opinion it didn't need a reaction at all, neither of them did. But while we're at it, one is a reaction that I would expect. THE OTHER IS A CROSS CHECK TO THE HEAD.
If the leafs responded like the flames this entire thread is moot, and we would be talking about how leaf fans are offended by a slapshot, and not THE CROSS CHECK TO THE HEAD.

Pretty sure Leafs fans have a very tough skin, and are offeneded that Morgan Riellly is gonna get 3 games.

But you got Kadri.............I miss that guy.

Nope. I read your post.

When did amount of time after a whistle ever affect a crosscheck?

Brad Marchand does them minutes after a whistle in a scrum before a faceoff without penalty.

That's a different situation there sir!

 

[VC]

On one hand, i could see being so pumped to beat the Leafs to clap it in an empty net and other seeing as pure trolling.

Either one deserved a response for what would be deemed showboating. Cross check to the face is dumb should multiple games for it. If he kept his stick down, this is barley a thing.

 

[johan f]

Maybe Rielly will argue that Grieg doesn’t have many brain cells to damage in the first place, which is actually a somewhat compelling argument.

Still, dirty hit that deserves three games.

Good game Ottawa, they played well, deserved the win.

Dale Hunter got 21 games.

 

[zar]

Non-hockey play, targets the head with his stick in an attempt to injure… at least 5 games… in the spirit of the Maple Leafs, I’m going to guess 6-7 games.

If he played on one of Uncle Gary’s favs… 1 game.

Oh, and the Senators forfeit a 2nd round pick because of the slap shot into the empty net.

 

[Maitz]

I am not ok with Greig slapshot, it was very cocky but Rielly shouldn't have hit him like he did. Maybe just go see him, push him a bit and tell him we don't do that in the NHL

 

[RDTBay4]

Should be suspended for the season. That was unreal.

Typical Toronto garbage. Good God.

Shades of Bunting.

 

[Divine]

Care to explain the parallels between the Kesler post whistle shot and the Greig slapshot?
Do you think if the leafs reacted to the play the same way the flames did we would have a 50 page post about a cross check to the head?

You’re confusing two different things.

That was to point out that there’s unwritten rules. Technically neither play was against the rules but both elicited a response.

People here are arguing that they’re glad Rielly did it because of breaking ‘the code’. I don’t think anyone is arguing what Rielly did was legal or within the rules.

You can support the decision by Rielly and live with the consequences. It’s up to the individual.

Sheldon Keefe, for example, thinks it was warranted. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t think there will be consequences or that it’s legal. It really depends on the individual and how egregious they think what Greig did was.