Morgan Rielly cross check to the head of Ridley Greig (DOPS UPDATE: In Person Hearing - 6 games or more possible)

[Cosmix]

He wasn't trying to hit him in the head.
If he was a player who took more cheap shots he would have been better at taking cheap shots. Its pretty simple

I think you should watch it again.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

He wasn't trying to hit him in the head.
If he was a player who took more cheap shots he would have been better at taking cheap shots. Its pretty simple

What’s pretty simple is that he did hit him in the head. He literally took his stick in both hands and pushed it directly into Griegs face. After the whistle. While having time to think. In front 17 000 fans in attendance and hundreds of thousands watching on tv.

 

[Cosmix]

Was Greig out cold like Hunter?

Hunter was not "out cold".

 

[ACC1224]

Ok. You can keep with your delusional thoughts about what 99% of the league would do.

Players do much worse than what Greig did, yet players don't act like meatheads the way Rielly acted.

But keep with your 99% fantasy.

Comparing what happened with Greig to Hunter/Turgeon shows you don't have much of a grasp on things.
Just take the L and move on instead of this constant doubling down.

 

[MCR74]

Hunter was not "out cold".

You know what I mean.

 

[Gentle Man]

The Goalie was the issue or is the PP deployment? Is it both? LOL

You are grasping.

The game your are referencing occurred after the trade with Washington. They were trying out Gustafson on PP1 to prepare for the post season.

The Leafs deployed their complimentary players for the remainder of that game following the last PP goal.

Washington? Huh?

 

[Hunter368]

I wonder if the ability to play tough, yet avoid suspensions is something teams practice

Jets several years ago, were getting far more pens then any other team (1st in pen mins taken, 1st in minor pens taken, IIRC) and the team was frustrated. They literally hired 1-2 refs to come into the training camp and advise them on what they considered pens etc, literally it did help reduce how many pens the Jets took.

IMO most actions are very clear they are a suspension or not or treading on thin ice (meaning its going to be very close either way so proceed with extreme caution).

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I just realized how silly the in-person hearing aspect is, just kinda makes for high drama, really. You see what he did, you get a statement, this should be a 2 hour process, tops. But no, gotta make it a big production.

 

[Divine]

This appears to be what happened. Good analysis.

 

[Hale The Villain]

One good thing to come from this incident is that it's become even more clear that Canadian hockey media, particularly Sportsnet and HNIC, are completely in the tank for the Leafs.

Not exactly shocking given Rogers/Bell own TSN, Sportsnet, HNIC and also 75% of the Leafs, but shameful nonetheless.

 

[Relapsing]

I mean, if we are being fair, which isn't our strong suit here, Clifford's suspension would actually affect the numbers as for some reason you're counting it for the Lightning and not the Leafs, who he was playing for and being paid by.

I mean, if we take out Matthews, Spezza and Bunting the Leafs would be down to 5 suspensions. That would make the argument even stronger for you.

Well, the more you know. Don't follow the leafs roster every year so would never have caught that.

Even so, I'm pretty comfortable in my argument here - Don't need to remove valid suspensions to make my point. And if you're gonna bring up Spezza, you better also bring up the 2-game suspension reduction he got from Bettman. Special treatment or?

Anyways, over 7 years they're what, within 3 suspensions of most of the league? Not a very high rate of additional suspensions per year.

You could just as easily say Kadri was responsible for bringing them into the upper threshold of the league given he accounts for ~ 20% of their overall suspensions during that time.

 

[Saltcreek]

Was Greig out cold like Turgeon? Sure didn't look like it to me.

That is complete irrelevant.

Also, I took a browse through the Leafs board and you guys are acting like the victims here. All I have to say is stay classy.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

So, what is the appropriate response to a bit of a "hot dog" goal?

The best one I can think of is for the other team to score one too.

It certainly should not result in a hit to the head with a stick!

Well, I was only trying to draw comparisons. Realistically, nothing.

You respond on the scoreboard, like you say. Or, you level them with a fair hit when you get a chance, if you must. Or start a scrum.

Whatever keeps your honor in check and doesn't turn you in to a meathead goon swinging a stick.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I just realized how silly the in-person hearing aspect is, just kinda makes for high drama, really. You see what he did, you get a statement, this should be a 2 hour process, tops. But no, gotta make it a big production.

On top of the $400k of salary he is about to lose… he has to pay for the gas to drive downtown for the meeting

 

[ToDavid]

Bro - why move the goalposts? Toronto is currently at 8 suspensions, 9 with Reilly's incoming, and that's still less than Edmonton's 10, and the same as Boston's 9 even with your caveats.

Cliffords suspension in no way moves the numbers in any meaningful way. You're just looking for reasons to invalidate, which is fine, but weak.

I thought we weren't including automatically assessed suspensions that wouldn't be ruled on by Parros? Disingenuous much?

Are you arguing with me about actually counting the right number of suspensions? I'm sorry, you're right, let's just use made up numbers. Not sure what you're on about in the last sentence. Clifford's suspension wasn't automatic.

 

[SpezDispenser]

On top of the $400k of salary he is about to lose… he has to pay for the gas to drive downtown for the meeting

Downtown NY though.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

On top of the $400k of salary he is about to lose… he has to pay for the gas to drive downtown for the meeting

What do you do if you’re an SJ player or somethin? Like, you know you’re gonna have time off anyways, but do you really gotta fly to Toronto to get your knuckles whacked? Or do they come to the player? Because obviously you gotta show, but again, all this could be done by zoom real quick.

 

[Relapsing]

Are you arguing with me about actually counting the right number of suspensions? I'm sorry, you're right, let's just use made up numbers. Not sure what you're on about in the last sentence. Clifford's suspension wasn't automatic.

... Because you said you included all suspension including automatics for the leafs, putting them at 10, but removed Edmonton's automatic to put them at 9?

 

[Rob Brown]

One good thing to come from this incident is that it's become even more clear that Canadian hockey media, particularly Sportsnet and HNIC, are completely in the tank for the Leafs.

Not exactly shocking given Rogers/Bell own TSN, Sportsnet, HNIC and also 75% of the Leafs, but shameful nonetheless.

Feel free to share why, otherwise this is just pointless conspiracy nonsense.

 

[Micklebot]

Are you suggesting that a young player showboating doesn't rub players the wrong way?
Just look at all the crap Zegras took.
Obviously if another team does target Greig its not about the Leafs, its about the showboating

Well, for one, I think the word showboating is doing some seriously heavy lifting when used to describe taking a muffin of a slap shot into the EN. He didn't ride his stick like tiger williams, or throw his glove in the air and mime sniping it.

Teams didn't like Zegras using trick plays to score goals, again, not really at all comparable with Greig showing a bit of emotion when scoring on the EN. Was it taunting, perhaps a bit, but will other teams start targetting him for that? Not a chance, though i'm sure he'll give them plenty of other reasons to hate him, that's just his game.

 

[Cosmix]

I just realized how silly the in-person hearing aspect is, just kinda makes for high drama, really. You see what he did, you get a statement, this should be a 2 hour process, tops. But no, gotta make it a big production.

I don't know the "rules" the league uses for making judgements; however, I think in situations where the "crime" is serious, such as head shots, that the player is offered a face-to-face meeting to explain his rationale for doing it and defend himself, as the punishment is definitely going to be significant.

Does anyone have any actual text of the rationale for having a F2F hearing?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I assume most would agree that what Radko Gudas did to the Leafs was far more of a "code break". I can't recall the retaliation to that, if any.

Playoffs and ended the series.

No one saw it, or if they did, thet acted like they didn't and most fans didn't notice until replay.

Gudas then left Florida and went to another team in Anaheim.

 

[ToDavid]

... Because you said you included all suspension including automatics for the leafs, putting them at 10, but removed Edmonton's automatic to put them at 9?

Forgot what you said after just a few minutes, eh?

The post where I say "excluding off-ice suspensions and automatics."?

 

[Stony Curtis]

Next up: Player gets EN breakaway. Skates around the net and does the Michigan.

I apologize if someone's already posted this. I'm only halfway through the thread lol.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Not sure why it mattered whether he wristed it in or slapped it into the net. That was a pretty low key play to be a crybaby about.