Morgan Rielly cross check to the head of Ridley Greig (DOPS UPDATE: In Person Hearing - 6 games or more possible)

[All Mod Cons]

Because the data you're referencing need to be cleaned.

• Washington's 12 includes two suspensions for Ovechkin skipping the all-star game and one for Kuznetsov's off-ice behaviour. Not related to Parros.
• Boston includes one skipped all-star game.
• Edmonton includes an automatic that wouldn't be ruled on by Parros.

Those data are also just bad. It has Clifford's suspension in the 2022 playoffs attributed to Tampa...

WIth Rielly's suspension, the Leafs are the only team at 10 excluding off-ice suspensions and automatics.

Yeah I'm not exactly saying the data is wrong, I just don't trust it. Had a 3 minute look at work and Kyle Clifford popped right out to me. Thought I'd lost my marbles and he played for the Lightning at some point.

 

[Relapsing]

Because the data you're referencing need to be cleaned.

• Washington's 12 includes two suspensions for Ovechkin skipping the all-star game and one for Kuznetsov's off-ice behaviour. Not related to Parros.
• Boston includes one skipped all-star game.
• Edmonton includes an automatic that wouldn't be ruled on by Parros.

Those data are also just bad. It has Clifford's suspension in the 2022 playoffs attributed to Tampa...

WIth Rielly's suspension, the Leafs are the only team at 10 excluding off-ice suspensions and automatics.

Bro - why move the goalposts? Toronto is currently at 8 suspensions, 9 with Reilly's incoming, and that's still less than Edmonton's 10, and the same as Boston's 9 even with your caveats.

Cliffords suspension in no way moves the numbers in any meaningful way. You're just looking for reasons to invalidate, which is fine, but weak.

I thought we weren't including automatically assessed suspensions that wouldn't be ruled on by Parros? Disingenuous much?

 

[Cosmix]

Players nowadays celebrate a goal like they're never gonna score another one. I don't understand how that is any different. You just buried the other team and dance around like a monkey high on crack screaming and yelling, but a mute slapping a puck in is an egregious thing.

So many things happen all the time that are much worse than what Greig did and dont get the reaction it did.

So, what is the appropriate response to a bit of a "hot dog" goal?

The best one I can think of is for the other team to score one too.

It certainly should not result in a hit to the head with a stick!

 

[Relapsing]

lol go look at multiple videos posted in here, specifically Simmonds having a stick broken against his face and Knies being choked slammed to the ice and causing a concussion. and there are more. Why is other teams get away with this against the leafs but its never the leafs getting away with it?

Ask Parros? I don't work for DOPS, and I'm not arguing about non-suspended suspension worthy plays. The OP assertion was that the Leafs were the most suspended team in the league under Parros.

It's utter BS.

 

[Divine]

Is there no end to the conspiracy theories that Maple Leaf fans have?

This is just silly. There is no "bias" against the Maple Leafs from the department.

There are no referees that have a "bias" against the Maple Leafs because their sister married David Frost.

There is no mandate from the Leaf office that the Maple Leafs can't advance in the playoffs.

This is all utter nonsense and you're a *way* better poster than this.

How do you know there’s no bias? It doesn’t even have to be against the Maple Leafs.

To dismiss a bias just because you don’t believe it is ridiculous. Have you seen how many people get removed from jury selection because of perceived bias? People are inherently biased. Most organizations have methods of preventing it. The NHL doesn’t.

Forget the Leafs. Put a bias prevention method for every team.

To argue there’s no bias at all in hockey is incorrect. The IIHF doesn’t even allow officials from the same country reffing games in order to prevent bias. The NHL has convinced you it doesn’t exist somehow though.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

"if there is any kind of problem on the ice he is probably in it and if there isn't he will start one"

Rielly took the bait.

The person that took the bait is you. He laid on the ice like a victim. The truth is he needed the shield of a trainer to prevent every Leaf and Sens player from drilling him multiple times.

 

[Hunter368]

true, I have noticed that teams that are not considered tough have to learn how to be tough. Usually, they cross lines or end up hitting a guy in the neck when they mean in the shoulder.
Teams that play a gritty tough style are just better at taking shots at players without taking big suspensions.

Agreed, cross checking (any stick work) someone isn't tough, its a cheap shot/dirty. Dropping the gloves would of been a tougher response. Being consistent in your responses makes you a tough team IMO, meaning if someone takes a cheap shot at one of your players you respond as a team EVERY time, either at the time of the incident or shortly after.

 

[cowboy82nd]

lol go look at multiple videos posted in here, specifically Simmonds having a stick broken against his face and Knies being choked slammed to the ice and causing a concussion. and there are more. Why is other teams get away with this against the leafs but its never the leafs getting away with it?

Where is this video? I would like to see this one.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

players that don't usually take shots like that often mess up.
Same thing with players who don't hit trying to make a big hit.

Quit with trying to play off Rielly as some kind of Charmin soft player, who should be given some sort of reprieve due to the fact he doesn't know how to properly cross check someone. He is an NHL player and has played competitive hockey his entire life. He knows full well how to use his stick, both for good and bad. Holy shit the length some of you go to to try and justify this incident is insane.

 

[Cosmix]

Yup. It was once believed goalies shouldn’t wear a mask because they wouldn’t be able to see the puck in their feet.

Where did you find that opinion?

I wasn't around for the first mask worn in the NHL by Clint Benedict but I did observe Jacques Plante were a mask for the first time in 1959.

 

[Korpse]

"if there is any kind of problem on the ice he is probably in it and if there isn't he will start one"

Rielly took the bait.

haha don't get too upset about the suspension announcement.

 

[MCR74]

How do you know there’s no bias? It doesn’t even have to be against the Maple Leafs.

To dismiss a bias just because you don’t believe it is ridiculous. Have you seen how many people get removed from jury selection because of perceived bias? People are inherently biased. Most people have methods of preventing it. The NHL doesn’t.

Forget the Leafs. Put a bias prevention method for every team.

If you're expecting a rational opinion from him, you'll be waiting a long time.

 

[Edgelord]

Agreed, cross checking (any stick work) someone isn't tough, its a cheap shot/dirty. Dropping the gloves would of been a tougher response. Being consistent in your responses makes you a tough team IMO, meaning if someone takes a cheap shot at one of your players you respond as a team EVERY time, either at the time of the incident or shortly after.

I wonder if the ability to play tough, yet avoid suspensions is something teams practice

 

[All Mod Cons]

Bro - why move the goalposts? Toronto is currently at 8 suspensions, 9 with Reilly's incoming, and that's still less than Edmonton's 10, and the same as Boston's 9 even with your caveats.

Cliffords suspension in no way moves the numbers in any meaningful way. You're just looking for reasons to invalidate, which is fine, but weak.

I thought we weren't including automatically assessed suspensions that wouldn't be ruled on by Parros? Disingenuous much?

I mean, if we are being fair, which isn't our strong suit here, Clifford's suspension would actually affect the numbers as for some reason you're counting it for the Lightning and not the Leafs, who he was playing for and being paid by.

I mean, if we take out Matthews, Spezza and Bunting the Leafs would be down to 5 suspensions. That would make the argument even stronger for you.

 

[Relapsing]

Yeah I'm not exactly saying the data is wrong, I just don't trust it. Had a 3 minute look at work and Kyle Clifford popped right out to me. Thought I'd lost my marbles and he played for the Lightning at some point.

That's cool. I didn't see the Clifford aberration. You're welcome to validate otherwise... The data is available through the NHL, just not collated for ease analysis. I can't remember every team I double checked, but I made sure of the leafs numbers for sure.

 

[Saltcreek]

The person that took the bait is you. He laid on the ice like a victim. The truth is he needed the shield of a trainer to prevent every Leaf and Sens player from drilling him multiple times.

What do you like a victim? He was a victim. Also, no one on either team was going to punch him for scoring that goal.

 

[Edgelord]

Quit with trying to play off Rielly as some kind of Charmin soft player, who should be given some sort of reprieve due to the fact he doesn't know how to properly cross check someone. He is an NHL player and has played competitive hockey his entire life. He knows full well how to use his stick, both for good and bad. Holy shit the length some of you go to to try and justify this incident is insane.

He wasn't trying to hit him in the head.
If he was a player who took more cheap shots he would have been better at taking cheap shots. Its pretty simple

 

[Cosmix]

Yup. Reilly should have taken his lumps and lived to fight another day. He made a stupid, and selfish mistake. Now his club is going to have to fight for the playoffs without him.

Stupid, yes! Selfish? I don't get that part.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No, that was only one old talking head.

Not how I remember that. I seem to recall a lot of criticism. Could be wrong. Either way, I stand by my point, the code gets broken constantly, all the frickin time, but people want to isolate them and like on the panel on Saturday, make them sound like someone's mom got shot.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

What do you like a victim? He was a victim. Also, no one on either team was going to punch him for scoring that goal.

"No one"? So why do we have a thread?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

whats with the title? has anyone expressed they think Rielly could get so many games? I dont recall other players having speculation on how many games they might get in the title while we wait to see the results

 

[jcs0218]

It's also showing the same for non-Leaf fans, but you wouldn't understand that.

What is it showing for non-Leafs fans?

The fact that they can look at a clearly dirty play and evaluate it accordingly?

Rielly pulled a Dale Hunter on Greig.

I provided a link to the video of Hunter on Turgeon, and I don't see any difference in what Rielly did compared to Hunter.

They are almost identical.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I assume most would agree that what Radko Gudas did to the Leafs was far more of a "code break". I can't recall the retaliation to that, if any.

 

[Cosmix]

I'll give Greig props for having the balls to do it again and facing more retribution when players from that team get pissed at him too.

Greig is a character type player; I would not be surprised if he does it again. He might even embellish it in a special way. I would be disappointed if he doesn't.

 

[MCR74]

What is it showing for non-Leafs fans?

The fact that they can look at a clearly dirty play and evaluate it accordingly?

Rielly pulled a Dale Hunter on Greig.

I provided a link to the video of Hunter on Turgeon, and I don't see any difference in what Rielly did compared to Hunter.

They are almost identical.

Was Greig out cold like Turgeon? Sure didn't look like it to me.