Morgan Rielly cross check to the head of Ridley Greig (DOPS UPDATE: In Person Hearing - 6 games or more possible)

[authentic]

Playoff suspensions are always significantly less than regular season suspensions.

This may seem unfair, since the punishment should be the same.

But it has never worked that way.

Suspensions to Toronto players are longer than players from other teams for similar or worse offences.

This may seem unfair, since the punishment should be the same.

But it has never worked that way.

 

[Cosmix]

Again lets see him have the balls to do it again with another team when going to score an empty netter.

I am looking forward to it.

 

[ACC1224]

Don't try to label me as stupid by saying I won't understand the difference between Turgeon and Greig.

What Greig did was a bit of bad sportsmanship.

But in no way, shape, or form does it warrant a cross-check to the head long after the goal was scored.

Rielly was a total punk. He couldn't control his emotions. And he deserves a long suspension.

If you disagree with this, then perhaps you are the one with problems understanding things.

You asked so obviously you don't understand the difference.
It's ok, you don't have to understand the game to be a fan of the game.

Rielly did what 99% of the players in the league would do, it's just his method was poorly thought out.
He should get 3-5 games for it.

 

[Canadienna]

Imo based on all the precedent and the severity of the play I would give Reilly 3 games.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

He’s an NHL player who was drafted in the 1st round by the Ottawa Senators and won Gold with the 2022 iteration of Team Canada at the WJC.

He sounds like a kind person who would never do anything to provoke this kind of response.

 

[wetcoast]

The real tragedy is that all the children watching last night now think it’s okay to violently attempt to injure people when they hurt your feelings by way of beating you.

Reilly taught kids that it’s cool to be a poor sport. A generation lost . Thanks Reilly.

More people should listen to Charles Barkely, parent and other adults in the immediate lives of children are their role models, not athletes.

Some athlete is always going to "set a poor example" and why not use it as a teaching moment?

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I don't think he was aiming head, if he just was better at crosschecking this would be a nothing story.
To me it looked like he was going about 3 or so inches below the shoulder but the shaft close to his right hand rode up Greig's arm.

Then he is a f***ing idiot who can't aim for shit.

 

[NyQuil]

He sounds like a kind person who would never do anything to provoke this kind of response.

Well he has a neck and a face also.

 

[MCR74]

Chirping another fan base when your team has been one of the absolute biggest disappointments in the NHL this season is wild to me.

Melnyk's gone. We were assured it's sunny skies from now on.

 

[Sensin5]

They were both illegal hits that caused injury after the whistle blew to end play

Not sure about the Makar hit, but Greig was not injured.

Could have been for sure but was not as far as we know.

 

[NyQuil]

Melnyk's gone. We were assured it's sunny skies from now on.

I assume you are too young to remember Harold Ballard.

 

[Edgelord]

Then he is a f***ing idiot who can't aim for shit.

players that don't usually take shots like that often mess up.
Same thing with players who don't hit trying to make a big hit.

 

[Petrus]

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This isnt showing up your opponent?

The Goalie was the issue or is the PP deployment? Is it both? LOL

You are grasping.

The game your are referencing occurred after the trade with Washington. They were trying out Gustafson on PP1 to prepare for the post season.

The Leafs deployed their complimentary players for the remainder of that game following the last PP goal.

 

[jcs0218]

You asked so obviously you don't understand the difference.
It's ok, you don't have to understand the game to be a fan of the game.

Rielly did what 99% of the players in the league would do, it's just his method was poorly thought out.
He should get 3-5 games for it.

Ok. You can keep with your delusional thoughts about what 99% of the league would do.

Players do much worse than what Greig did, yet players don't act like meatheads the way Rielly acted.

But keep with your 99% fantasy.

 

[Relapsing]

What I would really like to see is how many times the Leafs have had a guy up for a suspension that received less than what was expected or let off completely. And does it not seem odd that the "softest team" in the last decade...is even in conversation for being one of the most heavily suspended over that time period? That simply doesn't add up.

To your latter point, I guess I need to go through the whole league then eh to show why it's not really an outlier eh?

Ok then.

Anaheim: 1
Arizona: 5
Boston: 10
Buffalo: 6
Carolina: 1
Columbus: 4
Calgary: 7
Chicago: 2
Colorado: 6
Dallas: 2
Detroit: 6
Edmonton: 10
Florida: 6
LA: 6
Minnesota: 6
Montreal: 9
New Jersey: 3
Nashville: 8
New York Islanders: 2
New York Rangers: 4
Ottawa: 7
Philadelphia: 6
Pittsburg: 2
Seattle: 3
San Jose: 9
St. Louis: 6
Tampa: 8
Toronto: 8
Vancouver: 5
Vegas: 8
Washington: 12
Winnipeg: 7

In total, 185 suspensions in that timeframe, of which the Leafs accounted for 0.04% of all suspensions league wide. If all Teams had an equal number of suspensions, their share would be 0.03%, so slightly above average.

There are 18 other teams that are +/- 2 (0.29 suspensions/year) suspensions compared to the Leafs, which is certainly more than half the league. That number only grows if we open up the range. In other words, they're in the upper third by pure numbers, and lumped in with ~2/3 of the league in close comparables.

The statistical outliers here are the highs and lows. Wilson put the Caps on a Suspension speed run, so there's some context there.

Perhaps another interesting question is why Pittsburg only has a 0.011% share of league wide suspensions over this time, but that leads me to another point:

It's ultimately hard to make any sort of argument for suspension parity in the league - suspensions are levied on specific plays that may or may not happen to a given team in a given year. Even the Leafs had non-suspension years within this timeframe! So any notions of parity, fairness or equality in levied suspensions needs to go out the window.

As for your first point, it's impossible for me to say, and I have not found any statistical analysis that provides meaningful insight.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Chirping another fan base when your team has been one of the absolute biggest disappointments in the NHL this season is wild to me.

It's okay, all those guys have been canned now like we've all been begging for years. There is finally hope on the horizon, finally.

 

[Rude Dog]

These suspensions just make no sense. How do they decide between a 5K fine and a 6 game suspension. The term "hockey play" is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. So many of these "hockey plays" are just as much an intent to injure as what they term "non hockey plays". Think Petro wasn't trying to hurt Draistl's when he slashed him in the hand during the play-offs? He was pissed they kept targeting his back and retaliated. How is that worth 1 game and Rielly worth 6 times that potentially? Both intent to injure.

I have come to the conclusion that it is much easier trying to understand what goalie interference is in this league. The NHL just makes stuff up as they go along.

 

[Rob Brown]

The reaction to Rielly's cross-check to Greig's head is showing that Toronto Maple Leafs fans aren't capable of objectively evaluating dirty plays committed by a member of their team.

I feel that if Rielly did what McSorley did to Brashear that they would find a way to defend Rielly.

The same applies if Rielly did what Bertuzzi did to Moore.

Just a very biased and irrational fan-base.

This is such a stupid exaggeration lol.

Most Leafs fans around here agree that he should be suspended. Don't let the facts get in the way of your wild theories, though.

 

[Cosmix]

The NFL actually made rules about egregious end zone entries and celebrations to curb possible responses.

The NHL in recent years appears to have done something similar. The "celebration" seems to be limited to a "get-together by the boards" followed by a "skate by the bench to get high fives". The celebs used to be more entertaining.

 

[Sensin5]

Melnyk's gone. We were assured it's sunny skies from now on.

You sure do care deeply about the Ottawa Senators.

 

[cowboy82nd]

Players break the code all the time. Like, constantly. They're more like guidelines than rules. Especially in 2024 with all the showboating we see now. Bunch of Jerks down in Carolina wasn't too long ago pissing all the old school off. But this is not some egregious offence like some want to scream about. It's like celebrating too hard in a 6-0 game, or laughing in a guys face. Pretty minor. Obvious distinction that nobody got hurt. You deal with it like normal hockey players and it gets buried as a non story. At worst, this was a small code break that draws a scrum and end of the game hostilities. Reilly made this a story all by himself by losing his composure and thus cost himself and his team. If anything, it shows the advantage a team can get by walking the line on the code, like so many others do too.

No, that was only one old talking head.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Melnyk's gone. We were assured it's sunny skies from now on.

I'm for it. I like the hard-nosed, physical brand of hockey they Sens are capable of. I like to see teams rise up and reward their loyal fans.

Except the Blackhawks.

 

[MCR74]

The reaction to Rielly's cross-check to Greig's head is showing that Toronto Maple Leafs fans aren't capable of objectively evaluating dirty plays committed by a member of their team.

I feel that if Rielly did what McSorley did to Brashear that they would find a way to defend Rielly.

The same applies if Rielly did what Bertuzzi did to Moore.

Just a very biased and irrational fan-base.

It's also showing the same for non-Leaf fans, but you wouldn't understand that.

 

[yzerman]

Yeah - it was the exact same.

Pejorative Slur.

Not the same did i say that?but enough to give me flashback from that nightmare.

 

[Korpse]

He sounds like a kind person who would never do anything to provoke this kind of response.

"if there is any kind of problem on the ice he is probably in it and if there isn't he will start one"

Rielly took the bait.