Paul Dipietro
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Montreal Impact Thread LIII - Shipp'ing up to Montreal! - 6/03|530PM: @VAN
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JunglePete
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some of the people that idolize Salazar are the same people that bashed the MLS draft over a month ago, bravo 
... change of heart, eh? 
... change of heart, eh?
NoNachoNoParty
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some of the people that idolize Salazar are the same people that bashed the MLS draft over a month ago, bravo
I appreciate you underlining some
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JordanStaal#1Fan
some of the people that idolize Salazar are the same people that bashed the MLS draft over a month ago, bravo
Come on now, it is only the preseason.
Even if the guy becomes a star, how many players PER YEAR become impact players for a long time? Not many.
The draft should still be the least important priority recruiting-wise. The MLS draft is not great, doesn't mean you cannot find good players. Salazar having a good camp or even becoming a star wouldn't do anything to change that notion.
As the academy system grows the less important the draft will be.
If ONE guy having a good training camp changes one's perspective on the draft, well... they should review their way of evaluating data
QuebecPride
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I like Salazar so far, but let's not forget DC was playing their C team Saturday. Let's wait and see how he does against MLS regulars before hyping him 
I know, I'm that boring
I know, I'm that boring
Dominator13
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some of the people that idolize Salazar are the same people that bashed the MLS draft over a month ago, bravo
I'm one of them. I still believe without a shadow of a doubt that that the long-term success of any club starts with a solid academy that produces starters year out.
But this draft man... it's like we've hit home runs with every pick...
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Yea he's not an MLS starter yet. I'd like him to spend a few months against USL and then if he's too good, have him on the IMFC bench.I like Salazar so far, but let's not forget DC was playing their C team Saturday. Let's wait and see how he does against MLS regulars before hyping him
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NoNachoNoParty
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I disagree. He's already proving himself against USL players as we speak in pre-season. Imo he's earned a spot.
Given his momentum, i'd expect him to start with the first team and fight for a spot for the first month, maybe 2.
If he's not earning minutes then he'll go down to FCM.
Anyways, remember that injuries and trades happen, and who knows? we might sell some players.
Spots will most probably open up and he's primed to take advantage.
Speaking of which, what's the latest ETA on Romero?
If he's not earning minutes then he'll go down to FCM.
Anyways, remember that injuries and trades happen, and who knows? we might sell some players.
Spots will most probably open up and he's primed to take advantage.
Speaking of which, what's the latest ETA on Romero?
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Another guy who does not get enough love is Romario. He hasn't been as exciting as Salazar, but he's played some solid minutes in pre season. I also like that both he and Salazar are getting some playing time on the wings.
Our depth is getting serious!
Our depth is getting serious!
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Alright. I didn't know he had quality on thwhat sides. I thought he was a straight center forward.
NoNachoNoParty
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Can you elaborate instead of being childish ? I saw him take on many challenges and come away with the ball at his feet, i didnt miss a second from the game
He asked a question about the position the guy played against DC.
You agreed that he had a strong game , lost in translation somewhat.
Cheers.
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Come on now, it is only the preseason.
Even if the guy becomes a star, how many players PER YEAR become impact players for a long time? Not many.
The draft should still be the least important priority recruiting-wise. The MLS draft is not great, doesn't mean you cannot find good players. Salazar having a good camp or even becoming a star wouldn't do anything to change that notion.
As the academy system grows the less important the draft will be.
If ONE guy having a good training camp changes one's perspective on the draft, well... they should review their way of evaluating data
I take players straight outta drafts over Academy players for now. Academy players in general take yearsss to even showcase a bit of talent whereas officially signed draftees? Not so many. Notice I wrote in general, the only mere exception are Matt Miazga, Kellyn Acosta, Juan Agudelo, Andy Najar and Bill Hamid. Yedlin and Morris don't count. You might think there are dozens of players that fit in this category, but the ratio of players that MADE it through Academy(meaning established players)/to players signed from Academy is fairly pathetic. Here an example
Karl Ouimette (might have his breakthrough season, Miazga gone and Perinelle injured... 4 years later)
Maxime Crépeau (+)
Wandrille Lefèvre (meh, backup at best)
Zakaria Messoudi (who?)
Maxim Tissot (- not MLS starter quality)
Louis Béland-Goyette (no idea)
Jérémy Gagnon-Laparé (+)
Anthony Jackson-Hamel (meh, won't make it in MLS)
Out of 8 players, I think only 3 are potential starting material. No idea what Louis can bring.
vs The signed Draftees
Eric Miller (on the USMNT radar)
Andrew Wenger (good player but no mental skills)
Cameron Porter (legend)
Michael Salazar (++)
Blake Smith (will be back in MLS within 2 years)
Kyle Fisher (+)
Mallace (backup at best)
Romario (showing his talent after a year)
Again 8 players.... they are all potential starters, yes even Mallace.
EDIT : until, we don't look like Southampton academy, I will pick the Draft over it. (that means at least for the next 10 years)
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All potential starters? Salazar and Fisher being plusses when they never played a MLS minute? Romario showing his talent after a year?
Ok, let's just agree to disagree and not waste eachother's time.
Ok, let's just agree to disagree and not waste eachother's time.
NoNachoNoParty
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F**** i quoted the wrong message, i wanted to reply to the one before ! Apologies Pax.
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Lol, that's all you have to say ? Still, the ratio of draftess vs academy is much higher.
You know what potential starters mean right ? I saw Fisher play, in no time he'll be higher than Lefevre in the depth chart. Romario is already better than AJH, same for Salazar. I don't see why you act so surprised.
Dominator13
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Look at my question again, I have a feeling you were answering someone else...
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JordanStaal#1Fan
Yes, that's basically all I have to say and let me explain you why:
- Your sample size is very very very small.
- You are projecting based on LIMITED highly subjective observations.
- You are judging the academy and its future importance based on its first class. Hint: It was never about the first 5 years, the results, good or bad, should be evaluated when guys that did ALL of their development at the club start reaching MLS.
- Confirmation bias (I mean, the Romario Williams analysis is laughable at best - not because it is necessarily wrong, but because it is based on... nothing)
I could easily say that Maxime Crépeau, based on what I saw from him at the Pan-Am games and against the USA, is a future star in MLS. That would be based on as much evidence as your predictions are (and would be as likely to be true)
The reason I said "let's agree to disagree" is not because I think the Academy players are superior to the players we drafted (some are, some aren't), but because we would argue in circles for days considering HOW your assessment was made. There is nothing tangible to discuss. You are rating guys based on 2 or 3 preseason matches. It is highly possible that NONE of them ever have any lasting positive impact on the team (well, except Porter who scored the most epic goal in franchise history, but that's still not sustained contribution). It is also possible that some of them become stars. You cannot assess success rate for the last two drafts NOW! As we cannot assess our academy's success based on the first wave of "not totally trained here" guys.
My point about the MLS draft was that it was much more of a crapshoot than good pro-scouting and in-house development (you will miss more with your homegrown guys, but those that reach the first team are more likely to succeed than draftees, especially as academies throughout North America grow). Our resources shouldn't be focused on the draft. We have to be serious about it, but you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT build from it - meaning that if the draft, like in the NFL or NHL, is your best bet to improve your team, you are in deep trouble. Doesn't mean you cannot get good players from it. Hell, I'd be the happiest fan in the world if we can have a good success rate (one or two Mallace/Wenger caliber players each year would be exceptional, tbh). It just shouldn't be a priority especially if your definition of success is Andrew Wenger (if that's the caliber of player MOST first overall picks produce, it tells you all it has to about the draft - shouldn't be your primary source of players). That's all I am saying, not that you cannot get good players and should NECESSARILY trade all of your picks. However, if a first round pick is the price to pay for an established player, you pay it every time.
Oh, and last thing, you realize that Maxim Tissot, a guy that has experience at the MLS level and who has already shown that he CAN be a contributor (not a star, not a starter, but a quality squad player) is the same age/younger than many guys that have been drafted THIS YEAR! Same for many academy players except Lefevre who is older.
TL;DR You have limited data and you are making wild guesses based on it. You could be right, you could be wrong. That's not an evaluation we can and should try to make at the moment.
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