Speculation: Montreal deadline sale - make your offers!

[TheKrebsCycle]

Are you guys still demanding a 1st for Dvorak?

No that was Savard ; which is only slightly less silly .

 

[bernmeister]

....
Barron - now he may be the off man out. He is the all the tools, no tool box player. Size, skating and skill plus he was a first round pick. I think all Habs fans will tell you that Mailloux is already better than him but with Barron not being waivers exempt they had to go with Barron. If he gets traded I see the return as a 4th to 6th round pick. If he goes on waivers he will get claimed but are teams willing to jump the waiver line and trade for him? ...

So I was generous coupla months earlier w/3rd+ to 2nd value?

3rd
OR
Jimmy Vesey
OR
Casey Fitzgerald + Bryce McConnell Barker for Barron + 4th


deal?

 

[All Mod Cons]

No that was Savard ; which is only slightly less silly .

Wait wasn't that Anderson?

No hold on, it was Evans.

 

[Barsky]

This thread is ridicules at this point in the season. The management has said they want to be in the mix for a playoff spot, so there is no indication that Montreal will definitely be sellers.

Let’s see how the season plays out first?

Are you serious? Their roster of overpaid vets and inexperienced kids, while playing in the toughest division in the NHL, indicates they will definitely be sellers, as does logic and common sense

 

[Barsky]

It's kind of early in the season for this thread. But I'll play along.

David Savard - UFA ($3,5M)
Gets moved for more return than most here want to admit, unless he's re-signed. I'd extend him if I were Hughes, but only for a year, or two if we get a discount. If moved, he gets the retention slot.

Christian Dvorak - UFA ($4,45M)
Return will be depressing for Habs fans, even with retention (ie, if Savard is kept). A 2nd is being very optimistic at this point.

Joel Armia - UFA ($3,4M)
Might be a darkhorse rental and fetch a 2nd, if he has a solid season, like his 2nd half last year. It's kind of early to know.


Jake Evans - UFA ($1,7M)
I hope he's re-signed. He's a pro, has speed and can play multiple roles. Plus, we need to keep a few guys from the Finals run.

Michael Pezzetta - UFA ($0,81M)
Gonzo the second another tough forward can take his spot. Might stick around as a 14th forward, though.

Cayden Primeau - RFA ($0,89M)
Let's wait and see how his season goes, ok ? He's unlikely to be a deadline trade regardless.

Justin Barron - 1 more year left @ $1,15M then RFA
Let's wait and see how his season goes, ok ? He's unlikely to be a deadline trade regardless.

Brendan Gallagher - 2 more years left @ $6,5M then UFA
Unlikely to be a deadline deal, and isn't living up to his contract. Let's just hope for LTIR.

Josh Anderson - 2 more years left @ $5,5M then UFA
Unlikely to be a deadline deal, and isn't living up to his contract. Let's just hope for LTIR. Still, he's at least an effective, mobile but physical 3d liner this season, so I can't complain.

Good post, mostly realistic save for Armia, there is no universe where he gets the Habs a 2nd. Savard absolutely should be dealt just for the potential return, every GM loves their veteran RD's

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Good post, mostly realistic save for Armia, there is no universe where he gets the Habs a 2nd. Savard absolutely should be dealt just for the potential return, every GM loves their veteran RD's

A much better d ( Tanev ) just went for a 2nd this past deadline. That’s the max I see and even that is steep given his current form . Lessons have ( hopefully) been learned from Chariot for 1 st type deals , this would be a similar overpay ..

 

[Barsky]

A much better d ( Tanev ) just went for a 2nd this past deadline. That’s the max I see and even that is steep given his current form . Lessons have ( hopefully) been learned from Chariot for 1 st type deals , this would be a similar overpay ..

Totally agree and he was actually one of the worst examples. When Tampa traded a first for him he had been horrible in Columbus, but his right handedness was too appealing. I'm not saying he'll fetch a huge haul, but just that he will get more than anyone else the Habs have to offer would.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Anderson should still be worth a top 10 pick right? Especially with 50% retention. Maybe top 5 at that point. I mean that’s what we were told he was worth a couple of years ago so his value shouldn’t have gone down that much.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Totally agree and he was actually one of the worst examples. When Tampa traded a first for him he had been horrible in Columbus, but his right handedness was too appealing. I'm not saying he'll fetch a huge haul, but just that he will get more than anyone else the Habs have to offer would.

I agree with you . He’s been a bottom pairing guy for years performance wise . When the Tampa trade happened even then I said it was too much . And he’s older slower and less effective now than then …so yah

 

[Killswitch]

My first born for Suzuki. He's a history major with a penchant for saying, "Did you know" and then telling me something nobody knew or cared about. Repeatedly. And he doesn't like hockey

 

[Mac Attack]

A first, second and Georgiev for Montembeault.

 

[pth2]

Totally agree and he was actually one of the worst examples. When Tampa traded a first for him he had been horrible in Columbus, but his right handedness was too appealing. I'm not saying he'll fetch a huge haul, but just that he will get more than anyone else the Habs have to offer would.

I haven't found him impressive this season so a 2nd seems more likely at this point. But even a 2nd is a significant return; plenty of good players are still around then.

About Armia, I did say darkhorse: if he's having a 20 goal season as an effective 2nd liner, who could be a 3d liner and PKer on a contender, a 2nd is still optimistic but not impossible by any means. This isn't to say I'm actually expecting a 2nd, just that he could be a surprise rental at a higher price than expected. He's also one of the last Habs to benefit from the Finals run to boost his value. He's shown he can be a playoff player; not everyone has.

 

[Barsky]

I haven't found him impressive this season so a 2nd seems more likely at this point. But even a 2nd is a significant return; plenty of good players are still around then.

About Armia, I did say darkhorse: if he's having a 20 goal season as an effective 2nd liner, who could be a 3d liner and PKer on a contender, a 2nd is still optimistic but not impossible by any means. This isn't to say I'm actually expecting a 2nd, just that he could be a surprise rental at a higher price than expected. He's also one of the last Habs to benefit from the Finals run to boost his value. He's shown he can be a playoff player; not everyone has.

Ok, fair enough. Ya, Savard is what he is, he'll be 3rd pairing depth for a contender, so a second would be my prediction, regardless of how his numbers look going forward this season (he's currently on pace for an eye watering -64 by game 60)

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

we dont have much to offer we can maybe get a 2nd for Savard but other then that Armia and Dvorak aint worth much and nobody will touch Anderson or Gallagher

 

[malcb33]

Are you serious? Their roster of overpaid vets and inexperienced kids, while playing in the toughest division in the NHL, indicates they will definitely be sellers, as does logic and common sense

You're right, why should they even play due to logic and common sense? Might as well waive the white flag after 5 games...

 

[McHelpus]

Anderson @ 50%?

 

[Barsky]

You're right, why should they even play due to logic and common sense? Might as well waive the white flag after 5 games...

It's a rebuilding team, the point is to finish as low as possible for the best draft position possible, this isn't rocket surgery

 

[Chet Manley]

It's a rebuilding team, the point is to finish as low as possible for the best draft position possible, this isn't rocket surgery

Never thought I'd see the day that the Habs and/or its fans would accept purposely sucking. Let alone pine for finishing as low as possible at the start of the season. Guess that pride is slipping into history.

 

[AvatarAang]

It's a rebuilding team, the point is to finish as low as possible for the best draft position possible, this isn't rocket surgery

Yes you would be correct if you were referring to any other team but Montreal

Montreal has had lottery picks for 3 years in a row and they selected the wrong player every time:

Reinbacher instead of michkov
Slaf instead of Cooley
Kotkaniemi instead of tkachuk

What’s the point in tanking if you are consistently making the wrong picks?

 

[Treb]

Yes you would be correct if you were referring to any other team but Montreal

Montreal has had lottery picks for 3 years in a row and they selected the wrong player every time:

Reinbacher instead of michkov
Slaf instead of Cooley
Kotkaniemi instead of tkachuk

What’s the point in tanking if you are consistently making the wrong picks?

Shouldn't you be talking about Demidov instead of KK if you're talking about the 3 lottery picks in a row?

Kotkaniemi was picked by a different GM with a different scouting staff.

 

[Barsky]

Yes you would be correct if you were referring to any other team but Montreal

Montreal has had lottery picks for 3 years in a row and they selected the wrong player every time:

Reinbacher instead of michkov
Slaf instead of Cooley
Kotkaniemi instead of tkachuk

What’s the point in tanking if you are consistently making the wrong picks?

3 years in a row? KK was 2018 and like Treb said, a totally different administration and you are making bold assumptions about 2 drafts that happened too recently for you to be making those kind of assumptions about. Even still, you keep trying the tried and tested methods, especially if you think they haven't picked well enough yet, all the more reason to keep trying to get high picks, obviously

 

[OVO16]

David Savard to Dallas makes sense

 

[Barsky]

Never thought I'd see the day that the Habs and/or its fans would accept purposely sucking. Let alone pine for finishing as low as possible at the start of the season. Guess that pride is slipping into history.

I'm not a Habs fan, but they are rebuilding, sucking is the goal, that's how the NHL works, you build winners through the draft, it's pretty simple

 

[KevinRedkey]

Savard should get a lot of interest. Too few legit 2nd pairing RD in the league.

 

[Xirik]

Savard should get a lot of interest. Too few legit 2nd pairing RD in the league.

Come again?