Proposal: Montreal and Edmonton
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Bouchard is going nowhere. Not even if Montreal offered Suzuki. Bouchard is a very important piece of the oilers future and is irreplaceable. Blue chip young D man cost controlled don't grow on trees.
Oilers have other issues than D. Adding Chiarot without blowing the bank is fine. The oilers next move should be for a bottom 6 forward, not D. If one of Ceci or Keith is out long term then maybe Chiarot would be an option but you are not getting a 1st.
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I'd much, much rather find bad contracts to take in return, Price is likely to end up on LTIR and retained salary still counts for the retaining team. Whereas if we got a guy like Vlasic in return, the acquiring team gets the LTIR once Price bows out.
But finding the right team with the right contract will make this a complicated trade to figure out, but I don't see another way to do this without undue risk for one of the teams involved.
But finding the right team with the right contract will make this a complicated trade to figure out, but I don't see another way to do this without undue risk for one of the teams involved.
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yeah, sometimes they get traded for Warren Foegele.
They will find a suitor most likely this summer and they won’t retain. They’ll even get a couple of decent assets for him. They will take 1-2 bad short term contract to make the $ work though and yes, Ben Chiarot is getting a first round pick back.
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I'd love to add Edmundson. What would the ask be? I really like Price, but the salary and term as well as the fact that he hasn't played a game yet this season has me not looking at giving up much for him.
I think you don’t clearly understand how the cap works.
Getting Price and Weber increases your cap by $18M in the summer and puting Weber in ltir during the season only reduces his salary leaving your cap at $10M
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well luckily Oilers have over 24M in capspace the year after next with contracts of Keith, Koekkoek, Klefbom, Ryan, Smith and Shore all expiring
Haha. Sure. Let's dump Bouchard for the next third line plumber out there now.
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Everybody and their grandmother knows that Price will be LTIR'ed 2-3 years from now, max.
So the "his contract hold negative value" narrative isn't accurate.
I don't pretend Price's value is extremely high, but if Habs take some big contracts back, a late 1st + suspect clearly isn't out of the way.
So the "his contract hold negative value" narrative isn't accurate.
I don't pretend Price's value is extremely high, but if Habs take some big contracts back, a late 1st + suspect clearly isn't out of the way.
Well, there’s a few challenges:
Even if Habs or a third party, such as Arizona, provide cap pathway for a bad contract(s) for the acquiring team, the acquiring team still has to have 10.5AAV plus their goaltending backup taken away from their roster’s cap.
If not for all the Covid stuff, it’s no big deal. But with it, this is a gigantic negative IMO. Even if it’s likely for 3 years only...that potential 12-13 million away from 82 is a tough pill to swallow.
More than half of the league is cap in cap out and this offseason will just make it worse, as the coming list of UFAs is gigantic, currently includes a handful of core pieces from legit contenders (Johnny hockey, Geno, Klingberg, Hertl, Palat, etc etc) and includes goalies.
So for me, full stop right there. I don’t need to mention that Price hasn’t played this year yet, or that he has missed substantial time previously, to say that his contract has net negative value.
For me it is just the result of the cap squeeze from Covid. If Habs want value they have to keep some of that cap to themselves IMO.
ManofSteel55
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Oh come on, Bear hadn't shown anything to earn the blue chip tag. Competent NHLer? Most of the time. Blue chip? Not a chance. And I like Bear, but let's leave the hyperbole out of it.
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Using your logic, please list all the accomplishments of the "22 year old top pairing RHD" that makes him so valuable?
I've seen my fellow Oiler fans say the team's defense is fine when healthy and I just shake my head. The Oilers' defense is okay when healthy but not good. They definitely need a solid upgrade on the back-end. If I'm the GM, and I'm looking to move the 1st, I'm looking for a better player than Chiarot, who is a solid defenseman himself. I would absolutely make a trade for Chiarot, but I'm not sure he's the guy I'd want to move the 1st for.
Ultimately, I do think he returns a first round pick from someone though.
Ultimately, I do think he returns a first round pick from someone though.
I 100% endorse this statement. I think they still need 2 d-men, right and left, mid pairing, to solidify the back end. The a 1A goalie, a 3C and probably a top six RW.
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Why are all your posts meant to create arguments? I don't understand how that's a relevant comment.
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I like Chiarot but I don't want to see the Oilers give up a 1st just for a few month rental because, although I think he will help, he's not going to put the D over the top ! The Habs have a lot of winger depth that I think the Oilers could use one of and would like to see a winger come with Ben as well. Then the Oilers would have my blessing to trade their 1st rounder, and/or Yamamoto, and or last year's 1st rounder Xavier Bourgault. There's definitely a match between these 2 teams for a trade or two !!
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With respect, I'd be shocked if Bear ever becomes as good as Bouchard will.
