Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[Habs10025]

If you haven't read up on this, it appears there's an agreement between Monahan and Hughes to move Monahan to a contender, or to a team he likes (ie, I assume this would mean somewhere he'd consider re-signing).

Hughes will decide when & where he trades Monahan if he does trade him

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Monahan signed a contract he doesn't decide when a trade happens many reports say Monahan likes playing in Montreal You can believe Dreger if you choose .

One has to admire the all-in on willfully placing your head in the sand. Love it!

Never stop never stopping!

Hughes will decide when & where he trades Monahan if he does trade him

Doubling down!!

 

[Habs10025]

One has to admire the all-in on willfully placing your head in the sand. Love it!

Never stop never stopping!

keep chumming the water try baiting someone that cares about your nonsense

 

[AslanRH]

Hughes could easily go back on a verbal agreement.
They won't be looking for impact UFA signings with all the talent they accumulate in the rebuild.

 

[pth2]

Hughes could easily go back on a verbal agreement.
They won't be looking for impact UFA signings with all the talent they accumulate in the rebuild.

Yeah, he could, but he's trying to build a team that players are comfortable signing with... So if Colorado wants to offer 3 first rounders, Monahan's opinion won't count for much, but if it's down to a couple of contenders with late 2nd rounders along with similarly meh prospects, Monahan's opinion might well be the tie-breaker, and why not if it means a UFA in 2025 might consider Montreal knowing he won't be treated like cattle.

 

[AslanRH]

Yeah, he could, but he's trying to build a team that players are comfortable signing with... So if Colorado wants to offer 3 first rounders, Monahan's opinion won't count for much, but if it's down to a couple of contenders with late 2nd rounders along with similarly meh prospects, Monahan's opinion might well be the tie-breaker, and why not if it means a UFA in 2025 might consider Montreal knowing he won't be treated like cattle.

that was mostly my point. (responding to the Hughes can do whatever he wants no matter what Maonahan says folks)
Outside of a clear overpay where even Monahan would understand, Hughes will be better served over time taking a bit less if it satisfies the verbal agreement

 

[FerrisRox]

What did Domi go for last year? Keep in mind, Domi doesnt have an injury history.

Domi is also nowhere near as effective as a centre or taking face-offs while being equally inept defensively and also largely plays without much of a physical game.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Monahan fetch more than Domi has.

 

[Wayfarer13]

Like an insurance policy?

No.An asset

 

[TheNumber4]

Habs are going to do well with this whole Monahan ordeal. Compliments of Treliving.

 

[FerrisRox]

keep chumming the water try baiting someone that cares about your nonsense

You literally just took the bait by responding.

Hilarious.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Monahan signed a contract he doesn't decide when a trade happens many reports say Monahan likes playing in Montreal You can believe Dreger if you choose .

Yes but he does decide if he wants to sign an extension. If Hughes goes back on his word what incentive would Monahan have to come back? Which means the Habs get nothing except making it known their GM's word can't be trusted.

At this point, it's all but guaranteed Monahan is traded. Whether it'll be for a 2nd or 3rd depends on interest but he's getting moved.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Unsure what you're responding to since I blocked them, but while Lehkonen can be a terrific player, and he seems to have taken that next step in Colorado, in Montreal he was an oft-snake-bitten winger, sometimes relegated to the 4th line when he was in a deep funk. And while strong on the PK, he just didn't have the offense to even play on the PP. I mean, we loved his work ethic and overall play, but the numbers just weren't there.

Monahan is a different beast - better offensive instincts, lesser defensive ones, effective on the PP, etc.

The two have fairly little in common, overall.

This is a good post and correct. Lehkonen was a pure defensive forward for the Habs. He's found some 5 on 5 offense in Colorado.

Lehkonen did not "take the next step" with Colorado, nor was he "pure defensive forward for the Habs" who "found some 5 on 5 offense in Colorado". Lehkonen's 5 on 5 production rate in Colorado is virtually the same as all but two (injury plagued) seasons in Montreal. The difference in Colorado is him playing more, with better linemates and, in particular, getting (lots of) PP time with elite players. Lehkonen did have the "offense" to play on the PP, but Montreal didn't have the creators on the PP for that to make sense.

 

[vokiel]

Hughes could easily go back on a verbal agreement.
They won't be looking for impact UFA signings with all the talent they accumulate in the rebuild.

Yes specially since a majority of UFA already don't care about signing with Montreal. So we could just tell the PA to go f*** themselves for sure.

 

[pth2]

Yes but he does decide if he wants to sign an extension. If Hughes goes back on his word what incentive would Monahan have to come back? Which means the Habs get nothing except making it known their GM's word can't be trusted.

At this point, it's all but guaranteed Monahan is traded. Whether it'll be for a 2nd or 3rd depends on interest but he's getting moved.

Very good point.... at this point, he might well come back on a team-friendly deal, but deal him somewhere he'd rather not be, and that's unlikely to happen.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Hughes will trade Monahan when he gets an offer he likes & if he doesn't get that offer he might sign Monahan to an extension instead.

We can only hope!

 

[HuGort]

Hughes will trade Monahan when he gets an offer he likes & if he doesn't get that offer he might sign Monahan to an extension instead.

Monahan has an agreement Montreal will trade him to a contender.

 

[Maukkis]

Alright, so several people who are clearly fans of other teams, and don't watch Monahan play, are arguing that he is NOT a second line centre. If they don't watch the Habs and can provide no substantive feedback, they must be relying on stats....right?

So where is Monahan in terms of stats?

First off, if we are considering stats, let's look at defining a 2nd line centre. I've always said, the top 32 centres in the league could be considered a 1st line centre (obviously some teams have more than one) and the next 32 would be second line centres. Therefore top 64 centres are 2nd line or better.

Based on stats here is Monahan compared to other centres league wide...

24 pts - currently 60th in total points for a centremen
.59 PPG (with at least 25 games played) - currently 71st
Faceoff % (minimum 25 games played - currently 10th

So there you have it.....60th in points, 71st in PPG and 10th in faceoff %.

IMO, the faceoff percentage bumps up his value slightly. Puck possession and the ability to put a guy out who will win faceoff's in both the offensive and defensive side is important.

Add in the fact that Monahan (when not on the Habs anemic PP) is usually paired with scrubs, I would confidently say that he could have better points and PPG totals.

Anyone who has watched him this year, would say that his play would fit right in with what the stats are showing.

Now, if you want to calculate value, you have to factor in his cap hit for the remainder of the season.

Should the Habs decide to retain 50% on him, he can be had for the nice amount of $500k in real money.

All this to say....yes he is a second line centre, albeit a lower end one. But a second line centre that comes very cheap.



PS....I left out intangibles on purpose.....but if I was a playoff team looking for playoff leadership, I would look no further than this guy.

Last I checked (a week ago), Monahan was around the 280th mark among forwards in even strength points per 60 minutes. That's a low-end third liner, not a 2C of any sort. And yes, that's about the only purely points-related stat that is worth anything (maybe primary points too). Faceoffs are practically meaningless, so there's not much to value there.

When it comes to scoring forwards, teams end up regretting overpaying for two things: high shooting percentages and PP points. That's the latter box ticked, and he isn't shooting particularly low either.

 

[BKarchitect]

Lehkonen did not "take the next step" with Colorado, nor was he "pure defensive forward for the Habs" who "found some 5 on 5 offense in Colorado". Lehkonen's 5 on 5 production rate in Colorado is virtually the same as all but two (injury plagued) seasons in Montreal. The difference in Colorado is him playing more, with better linemates and, in particular, getting (lots of) PP time with elite players. Lehkonen did have the "offense" to play on the PP, but Montreal didn't have the creators on the PP for that to make sense.

Yeah I quoted on mid-season breakout players on the main board in 2022 that Lehkonen was way better than people thought. His even strength analytics across the board were astronomical on a bad Habs team that was not using him very effectively IMO. He was a clear candidate to have a huge jump in counting stats in a different situation.

Clearly a different kind of trade though, than Monahan - who is more the classic deadline rental if he gets moved.

 

[gritdash60]

Monahan like to be moved first, but not for a first.

 

[ole ole]

He wouldn’t be a 2C on Colorado if Bednar refuses to play him there, like you’re seeing with Johansen. Both can’t skate, can’t play defense. At least Johansen has scored a greater % of his points away from the PP than Monahan. And that’s while playing less than 15 minutes a night.

Monahan on the PK the other night. Imagine putting a player that can't skate, can't play defense on the pk. We get it you just don't like the Habs.

The Monahan to cooorado , just. Won’t. Die.

Ya even the insiders are bringing it up.

 

[John Mandalorian]

rrr

Monahan on the PK the other night. Imagine putting a player that can't skate, can't play defense on the pk. We get it you just don't like the Habs.


Ya even the insiders are bringing it up.

Nothing against the Habs. Have elaborated many times on the reasons. They’re specific to Monohan and MacFarland and not the Habs. Monahan is more of what Johansen brings/doesn’t bring. Would be a waste of assets to acquire.

 

[Romang67]

Monahan on the PK the other night. Imagine putting a player that can't skate, can't play defense on the pk. We get it you just don't like the Habs.


Ya even the insiders are bringing it up.

Of forwards on the PK with more than 30 minutes of PK ice time this season, Monahan ranks 8th worst in the league in xGA/60 and 14th worst in the league in GA/60.

So add that onto the list of things Monahan doesn't do well, I guess.

 

[Habs10025]

Monahan has an agreement Montreal will trade him to a contender.

Monahan doesn't decide when or where he's traded multiple teams consider themselves contenders Hughes will trade him to the team in the group that makes the best offer

 

[HuGort]

Monahan doesn't decide when or where he's traded multiple teams consider themselves contenders Hughes will trade him to the team in the group that makes the best offer

He can decide where he goes.

Monahan on the PK the other night. Imagine putting a player that can't skate, can't play defense on the pk. We get it you just don't like the Habs.


Ya even the insiders are bringing it up.

Habs have to be legit out of race before he's moved

 

[Habs10025]

Yes but he does decide if he wants to sign an extension. If Hughes goes back on his word what incentive would Monahan have to come back? Which means the Habs get nothing except making it known their GM's word can't be trusted.

At this point, it's all but guaranteed Monahan is traded. Whether it'll be for a 2nd or 3rd depends on interest but he's getting moved.

Hughes may trade or not trade monahan has stated he likes playing in Montreal Hughes may offer an extension and Monahan might accept neither Hughes or Monahan care what dreger thinks or believes