Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

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Monahan was slow before he had all the hip and knee injuries. He's very slow now. Do you also think Toffoli and M. Tkachuk aren't slow.


Maybe because they don't give up 3.89 goals per 60 at even strength and pace 26 points at even strength? Monahan is a faceoff guy and he needs PP time to produce.
Monahan is responsible alone for that 3.89 goals per 60? And the 26 point pace at even strength has more to do with his line mates than anything else.

I'm not a fancy stat guy, just the basics. Please enlighten me on those two stats for Henrique and Wennberg for comparison.
 
Monahan is responsible alone for that 3.89 goals per 60? And the 26 point pace at even strength has more to do with his line mates than anything else.

I'm not a fancy stat guy, just the basics. Please enlighten me on those two stats for Henrique and Wennberg for comparison.
Wennberg is at 2.4 GA/60. Very high end defensively. He's on pace for 30 ES points. Henrique is 2.7 GA/60 and is on pace for 34 ES points.

Monahan is the worst GA/60 on the team by .4 GA/60, so it's not just his linemates.
 
I do not understand why poster make this trade thing hard. its all simple. if you want Monahan then make your offer. if you think you are the ONLY offer habs get then yes go for low low ball offer. but if the habs get a few offers and yours is not good enough then you lose. Also I know exactly what posters will say . " x team way over paid and I would NEVER OFFERED ALL THAT"
 
Monahan is the only guy on the team that is likely to be dealt that has value.

A very late 1st or a 2nd rounder and a B prospect should do it.

Lehkonen got that kind of return and he is worst than Monahan offensively (but younger so it evens out as far as value goes).
 
I do not understand why poster make this trade thing hard. its all simple. if you want Monahan then make your offer. if you think you are the ONLY offer habs get then yes go for low low ball offer. but if the habs get a few offers and yours is not good enough then you lose. Also I know exactly what posters will say . " x team way over paid and I would NEVER OFFERED ALL THAT"
I think everyone knows what he is. I don't know who needs a faceoff guy for PP1. That's the team that should acquire him. He's good on the PP, he's good at faceoffs. Trying to sell him as a 2C that is good defensively is where you're getting push back.

Monahan is the only guy on the team that is likely to be dealt.

A very late 1st or a 2nd rounder and a B prospect should do it.

Lehkonen got that kind of return and he is worst than Monahan offensively (but younger so it evens out as far as value goes).
Lehkonen is an excellent defensive player. Monahan isn't. I'd give way more for Lehkonen.
 
Dregger says Monahan might be a plan “B”. How did the title get twisted to him most likely getting a 1st? Straight up fanfic.

Who is telling you he will most likely get a first? We go through this over and over again here: It's not "Habs fans," as a collective, saying he will get a first round pick. It's a very small, very vocal contingent that do not represent Habs fans as a whole.

If you go through all the main board threads, take a look at the "Habs fans" that are saying ridiculous nonsense and you'll notice it's the same few guys going into every thread and saying dumb things.

Nobody is "twisting" Dreger's remarks. The same people here claiming he is worth a first is the same guys who were saying that well before Dreger said anything.
 
Wennberg is at 2.4 GA/60. Very high end defensively. He's on pace for 30 ES points. Henrique is 2.7 GA/60 and is on pace for 34 ES points.

Monahan is the worst GA/60 on the team by .4 GA/60, so it's not just his linemates.
Okay so those are fair stats. Their are contributing factors for sure to each stat stated, that can't be quantified though, and I can speak for Monahan that his linemates bring him down. I can't speak on Wennberg or Henrique truthfully.

I still don't think as the previous guy stated, considering stats and cap hits, that taking Henrique and Wennberg "every day" would be wise GM moves.
 
I think everyone knows what he is. I don't know who needs a faceoff guy for PP1. That's the team that should acquire him. He's good on the PP, he's good at faceoffs. Trying to sell him as a 2C that is good defensively is where you're getting push back.


Lehkonen is an excellent defensive player. Monahan isn't. I'd give way more for Lehkonen.
Lehkonen is better defensively but Monahan isn't as bad as people think or as stats are saying. He is playing with AHLers. The difference in defensive play is compensated by the better offense.
 
Monahan was slow before he had all the hip and knee injuries. He's very slow now. Do you also think Toffoli and M. Tkachuk aren't slow.


Maybe because they don't give up 3.89 goals per 60 at even strength and pace 26 points at even strength? Monahan is a faceoff guy and he needs PP time to produce.

I guess I'll reiterate the question to you. Have you seen Monahan since he was hobbled in Calgary? Because implying that his skating speed to Toffoli's or M. Tkachuk's doesn't make sense otherwise. Hell, don't even watch him, just look at the tracking data.
 
I think everyone knows what he is. I don't know who needs a faceoff guy for PP1. That's the team that should acquire him. He's good on the PP, he's good at faceoffs. Trying to sell him as a 2C that is good defensively is where you're getting push back.


Lehkonen is an excellent defensive player. Monahan isn't. I'd give way more for Lehkonen.
Lehkonen is a winger who didn't have much offense in Montreal, though, whereas Monahan plays the more valuable position (when at C).

The big difference is that Lehkonen was going to be an RFA (which had the same non-commitment option for Colorado, who could always just not qualify him at worst) whereas Monahan is going to be a UFA.
 
Lehkonen got that kind of return and he is worst than Monahan offensively (but younger so it evens out as far as value goes).

Actually, no, their values are not remotely the same, regardless of age.

Monahan might be better, offensively, than Lehkonen, but he's also about five times worse defensively.

Monahan, despite playing centre, is not more valuable than Arturi Lehokenen was. Arturi, with his two-game, worth ethic and skillset could literally help any team in the league.

Monahan is much more limited as a one-way forward who only scores on special teams. Many true contenders wouldn't see Monahan has much more than injury depth and a guy who can slot in as an extra centre on a line when face-offs are off the utmost importance.

I would love Monahan to have the kind of value some here want to pretend he has, but it's not a realistic take on the kind of player he is today.
 
Lehkonen is better defensively but Monahan isn't as bad as people think or as stats are saying. He is playing with AHLers. The difference in defensive play is compensated by the better offense.
His most common linemates in order are Pearson, Gallagher, Suzuki, Anderson and Caufield. He has recently played with AHL level guys in Ylonen and Harvey-Pinard. But they are not in his top 5 most common linemates.

Actually, no, their values are not remotely the same, regardless of age.

Monahan might be better, offensively, than Lehkonen, but he's also about five times worse defensively.

Monahan, despite playing centre, is not more valuable than Arturi Lehokenen was. Arturi, with his two-game, worth ethic and skillset could literally help any team in the league.

Monahan is much more limited as a one-way forward who only scores on special teams. Many true contenders wouldn't see Monahan has much more than injury depth and a guy who can slot in as an extra centre on a line when face-offs are off the utmost importance.

I would love Monahan to have the kind of value some here want to pretend he has, but it's not a realistic take on the kind of player he is today.
Lehkonen actually outscores Monahan at 5 on 5 too. He's a much better player.
 
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Lehkonen is a winger who didn't have much offense in Montreal, though, whereas Monahan plays the more valuable position (when at C).

The big difference is that Lehkonen was going to be an RFA (which had the same non-commitment option for Colorado, who could always just not qualify him at worst) whereas Monahan is going to be a UFA.

Lehkonen was a RFA who was acquired with the idea of keeping him. Lehkonen can also skate.
 
Lehkonen is a winger who didn't have much offense in Montreal, though, whereas Monahan plays the more valuable position (when at C).

What nerfs that positional boost, in terms of value, is that Monahan really has to be played in the top six if you want to use him as a centre because his lacklustre defensive play and lack of a physical game makes him ill-suited for a third or fourth line centre role and he's simply not good enough to play centre on the top two lines of any real contender.

That kind of moves him into that "depth" role, where a team might be happy to have a guy like him that can slot in for a short term injury fix. I don't think he's a piece any real contender would target, but he might be a plan B or a plan C for depth, but nobody would pay a premium for that.
 
Why would Montreal agree to let him choose the team lmfao oh my god what is wrong with this organization
sometimes you have to make concessions to get a player to resign with you for cheap (especially when u consider the position the team was in), it's something that was probably discussed between Hughes and his agent
 
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sometimes you have to make concessions to get a player to resign with you for cheap (especially when u consider the position the team was in), it's something that was probably discussed between Hughes and his agent
Better to get a 2nd rounder (or even a 3d) from a team he wants to go to rather than not getting anything because he wouldn't have re-signed if he didn't feel that his wishes were taken into consideration.

Kent Hughes is trying to be a player-friendly GM, trading players to teams they want to go to when possible, treating UFAs with respect, etc. (Toffoli going to his former coach's team, Petry twice being moved to teams he approved of, Monahan being told clearly what the situation was from the very start, etc.) Hopefully this pays off over time, if players are comfortable signing to stay.
 
Lehkonen actually outscores Monahan at 5 on 5 too. He's a much better player.
Unsure what you're responding to since I blocked them, but while Lehkonen can be a terrific player, and he seems to have taken that next step in Colorado, in Montreal he was an oft-snake-bitten winger, sometimes relegated to the 4th line when he was in a deep funk. And while strong on the PK, he just didn't have the offense to even play on the PP. I mean, we loved his work ethic and overall play, but the numbers just weren't there.

Monahan is a different beast - better offensive instincts, lesser defensive ones, effective on the PP, etc.

The two have fairly little in common, overall.
 
Darren Dreger on Insider Trading just said Sean Monahan most likely first forward traded. Boston, Colorado, Vancouver interested. Habs have agreement with Monahan to deal him to contending team of his
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Hughes will trade Monahan when he gets an offer he likes & if he doesn't get that offer he might sign Monahan to an extension instead.
 
Unsure what you're responding to since I blocked them, but while Lehkonen can be a terrific player, and he seems to have taken that next step in Colorado, in Montreal he was an oft-snake-bitten winger, sometimes relegated to the 4th line when he was in a deep funk. And while strong on the PK, he just didn't have the offense to even play on the PP. I mean, we loved his work ethic and overall play, but the numbers just weren't there.

Monahan is a different beast - better offensive instincts, lesser defensive ones, effective on the PP, etc.

The two have fairly little in common, overall.
This is a good post and correct. Lehkonen was a pure defensive forward for the Habs. He's found some 5 on 5 offense in Colorado.
 
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Hughes will trade Monahan when he gets an offer he likes & if he doesn't get that offer he might sign Monahan to an extension instead.
If you haven't read up on this, it appears there's an agreement between Monahan and Hughes to move Monahan to a contender, or to a team he likes (ie, I assume this would mean somewhere he'd consider re-signing).
 
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