Likely based on what? Where is the speculation coming from? Not off the evidence given.
Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first
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Hunter368
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Agreed, that's why I changed the thread from rumor (OP originally created the thread as a rumor, which it isn't) to speculation Thursday.
Alright, so several people who are clearly fans of other teams, and don't watch Monahan play, are arguing that he is NOT a second line centre. If they don't watch the Habs and can provide no substantive feedback, they must be relying on stats....right?
So where is Monahan in terms of stats?
First off, if we are considering stats, let's look at defining a 2nd line centre. I've always said, the top 32 centres in the league could be considered a 1st line centre (obviously some teams have more than one) and the next 32 would be second line centres. Therefore top 64 centres are 2nd line or better.
Based on stats here is Monahan compared to other centres league wide...
24 pts - currently 60th in total points for a centremen
.59 PPG (with at least 25 games played) - currently 71st
Faceoff % (minimum 25 games played - currently 10th
So there you have it.....60th in points, 71st in PPG and 10th in faceoff %.
IMO, the faceoff percentage bumps up his value slightly. Puck possession and the ability to put a guy out who will win faceoff's in both the offensive and defensive side is important.
Add in the fact that Monahan (when not on the Habs anemic PP) is usually paired with scrubs, I would confidently say that he could have better points and PPG totals.
Anyone who has watched him this year, would say that his play would fit right in with what the stats are showing.
Now, if you want to calculate value, you have to factor in his cap hit for the remainder of the season.
Should the Habs decide to retain 50% on him, he can be had for the nice amount of $500k in real money.
All this to say....yes he is a second line centre, albeit a lower end one. But a second line centre that comes very cheap.
PS....I left out intangibles on purpose.....but if I was a playoff team looking for playoff leadership, I would look no further than this guy.
So where is Monahan in terms of stats?
First off, if we are considering stats, let's look at defining a 2nd line centre. I've always said, the top 32 centres in the league could be considered a 1st line centre (obviously some teams have more than one) and the next 32 would be second line centres. Therefore top 64 centres are 2nd line or better.
Based on stats here is Monahan compared to other centres league wide...
24 pts - currently 60th in total points for a centremen
.59 PPG (with at least 25 games played) - currently 71st
Faceoff % (minimum 25 games played - currently 10th
So there you have it.....60th in points, 71st in PPG and 10th in faceoff %.
IMO, the faceoff percentage bumps up his value slightly. Puck possession and the ability to put a guy out who will win faceoff's in both the offensive and defensive side is important.
Add in the fact that Monahan (when not on the Habs anemic PP) is usually paired with scrubs, I would confidently say that he could have better points and PPG totals.
Anyone who has watched him this year, would say that his play would fit right in with what the stats are showing.
Now, if you want to calculate value, you have to factor in his cap hit for the remainder of the season.
Should the Habs decide to retain 50% on him, he can be had for the nice amount of $500k in real money.
All this to say....yes he is a second line centre, albeit a lower end one. But a second line centre that comes very cheap.
PS....I left out intangibles on purpose.....but if I was a playoff team looking for playoff leadership, I would look no further than this guy.
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John Mandalorian
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No one cares about these mental gymnastics. And no one is being fooled by this.
It's been pointed out repeatedly that half of his points come from the PP. On contending teams, it's unlikely he will be on PP1.
This kind of kills your analysis.
Habs fans will be right about the 1st rounder if it is the Avs.
It will center around Olausson and all these Avs rabble rousers will have a mea culpa in their future.
It will center around Olausson and all these Avs rabble rousers will have a mea culpa in their future.
pth2
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Yet another Monahan thread, and it's depressing how the same points keep on being made.
He's now a mid-thirties (really 29) player who misses every second game to injury (hasn't missed any this year)... and apparently he's so slow he's barely an NHLer, and yet he gets OT ice time 3-on-3, which usually isn't smart usage for slowpokes.
While he isn't a Danault-type, he's ok defensively, but can't be used as a checking-type.
I expect a 2nd is pretty much the baseline, and I'm hoping for a prospect with that, or an upgrade to a 1st or a higher end prospect. I expect he'll be acquired to be used as a top-6 winger who can play 2 or 3C if/when injuries hit.
A guy like Kulak fetched a 2nd at the deadline, and I can't see Monahan being worth *less* than that. At his cap hit, just about anyone can acquire him, at 50% (if pass-through retention is used), his hit is less than many ELCs so teams can find a way to make the cap work, which means a bidding war is likely, even if he's among the first moved, many teams could use him as additional depth.
He's now a mid-thirties (really 29) player who misses every second game to injury (hasn't missed any this year)... and apparently he's so slow he's barely an NHLer, and yet he gets OT ice time 3-on-3, which usually isn't smart usage for slowpokes.
While he isn't a Danault-type, he's ok defensively, but can't be used as a checking-type.
I expect a 2nd is pretty much the baseline, and I'm hoping for a prospect with that, or an upgrade to a 1st or a higher end prospect. I expect he'll be acquired to be used as a top-6 winger who can play 2 or 3C if/when injuries hit.
A guy like Kulak fetched a 2nd at the deadline, and I can't see Monahan being worth *less* than that. At his cap hit, just about anyone can acquire him, at 50% (if pass-through retention is used), his hit is less than many ELCs so teams can find a way to make the cap work, which means a bidding war is likely, even if he's among the first moved, many teams could use him as additional depth.
Reading comprehension. He has played with garbage for the majority of the season .OF COURSE half his points are on the PP.
3/4 of the guys in the top 64 acquire half their points on the PP.
Mental gymnastics my ass. I provided objective stats, mixed in a little bit of my opinion. You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is with limited viewings of the player. I have mine.
pth2
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Yup; on a better team, he'll be playing with better players, as well as facing lesser defensemen.
Monahan would get virtually no PP time in Colorado. Can't fathom Bednar being comfortable putting him between two elite skaters and forecheckers like Nuke and Lex with Monahan lagging behind them and then getting outcompeted up and down the middle of the ice when he's asked to backcheck.
Monahan to the Avs is such a bad fit. If the Avs want to get a middle six C, they need to call Philly about Laughton and put the RyJo back on them, but give up their 2024 1st.
Scott Laughton for RyJo + 2024 1st.
RyJo would be a better fit for Torts style. His defensive effort isn't the problem. It's his slow feet. But he can still park himself near the net and slam home rebounds. RyJo has 3 more goals this season than Lindholm.
Laughton would be a far better fit between Nuke and Lex as a badass checking line you could deploy against any number of first lines in the NHL and feel good about your chances to shut them down. I'd put those guys out against McDavid, RHN and Hyman and know with certainty the Avs have the skating advantage in that matchup.
Then let your awesome defense and 1st line as well as PP1 score the goals you need to win the Cup.
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Exactly. The Avs have seen this movie already this year. Big, slow, not into checking, and good at faceoffs describes both Johansen and Monahan. And look at whats happening to Johansen - he played less than 10 minutes against Vegas.
Why would anyone assume it would be different with Monahan?
The only thing making this idea of the Avs possibly being interested somewhat plausible is MacFarland's apparent dedication to wasting roster spots and or assets to bring in guys who are not a fit simply because theyre cheap. In the end, these moves become quite costly as they accomplish very little.
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The irony of someone calling others casuals while using a random ass Twitter picture with numbers to form an opinion...
MoneyManny
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The only "facts" in that picture are his contract information and basic statistics lol. Have you even looked at what you were replying to? Geeze.
I think the Lars Eller experiment will have cooled him to such a trade. The reason Monahan won't be an Avs target is the same reason RyJo is a bad fit stylistically and the very obvious biggest weakness on the Avs roster.
I'd rather have another 3C like Colton than a RyJo/Monahan filling that 2C role. Laughton would be my target if I'm the Avs. And my 2024 1st would be on the table.
Is he the ideal 2C? Not at all, but we don't have the cap space or assets for an ideal 2C. Bettman hates dynasties and demands parity. So you make roster concessions and try to win around those shortcomings. The Avs do this in net and 2C. Laughton is big, can skate, PK and do this.
Grossly. He would probably fit well on Edmonton being a PP guy that can take faceoffs. It would make me sad because then I would have to dislike Monahan lol
He might be a #2C on Montreal but on any contender you need a guy who can actually play a two way game and contribute defensively. Not just tread water. He also has only ever been okay in the playoffs. When things got tight his game would drop off a bit
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pth2
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I think this is fair. Monahan isn't a play-driving #2C who will produce results regardless of opposition. He became #2C when Dach and Dvorak got hurt and Newhook couldn't do the job, not out of design.
He'll need to be a #3C, a #2C with strong wingers, or be played as a #2LW who takes faceoffs, and can give a team depth as he can play C if injuries hit a C in the top 9.
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Lots of argument about his role.
On a deep team, sure he is likely a 3c. He's playing 3c simply due to chemistry with currently line mates. He takes a lot of important face offs and spends time on both PP units. With Dach, they swapped LW for C a couple of times - with Monahan often taking draws (as 2C)
So, if you ARE a deep team and you want someone who can play center and wing, move up and down your lineup easily to play multiple roles, and not cost you a lot financially, he's going to be high on your list.
On a deep team, sure he is likely a 3c. He's playing 3c simply due to chemistry with currently line mates. He takes a lot of important face offs and spends time on both PP units. With Dach, they swapped LW for C a couple of times - with Monahan often taking draws (as 2C)
So, if you ARE a deep team and you want someone who can play center and wing, move up and down your lineup easily to play multiple roles, and not cost you a lot financially, he's going to be high on your list.
There's a list of rental C with note
Lindholm (option A for Boston Colorado Vancouver Winnipeg)
Monahan (Option B for theses club)
Henrique, johnson, Wennberg and Roslovic
(C plan)
Everything can change if Tampa bay does not in position to making playoff on March 8th maybe they will be interest to deal Stamkos.
Tampa got 21 games to play before deadline and they got 43 gp
With only 20 game left if they are back by 8 pts or more they maybe want to have assets for Stamkos. Also Stamkos can return to Tampa after the playoffs
Lindholm (option A for Boston Colorado Vancouver Winnipeg)
Monahan (Option B for theses club)
Henrique, johnson, Wennberg and Roslovic
(C plan)
Everything can change if Tampa bay does not in position to making playoff on March 8th maybe they will be interest to deal Stamkos.
Tampa got 21 games to play before deadline and they got 43 gp
With only 20 game left if they are back by 8 pts or more they maybe want to have assets for Stamkos. Also Stamkos can return to Tampa after the playoffs
pth2
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This is why I see him as a better fit in Boston, where he can add all-around depth without needing to be a prototypical playmaking center. A top-heavy team like Colorado probably needs a clear C to drive that 2nd line, and that isn't Monahan, though he could of course be of use to them.
Dregs is already reporting that monahan is an Avs target - and they are the most interested party.
BLONG7
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Far far too many guys on HF don't watch the games.............but love the stats!!
Hence the dumb comments from posters, who haven't watched the actual player, play the actual games.
Value on HF depends on stats and in most cases, hatred towards a player or club.
Hilarious actually. I would think GM's would discuss more maturely than posters on HF! LOL
Monahan has value, period. Supply and demand will be the tell tale.
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