Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[pth2]

Dregs is already reporting that monahan is an Avs target - and they are the most interested party.

I find myself hoping the Avs give Montreal 1st round value for him, just to see the Avs fans eating their words, and regardless of whether that value ultimately translates into anything useful for Montreal.

 

[Romang67]

Why are people pretending that Monahan is some unknown entity? He's in his 11th season in the league. He played the majority of that time with Gaudreau on the first line for the Flames. People have seen this guy play.

Unless he learned to play defense in the last 2, he's not a good or even decent defensive player. If he did learn to play defense in the last 2, it's having no tangible effect on his on-ice impact.

He's a bad defensive player who doesn't score points 5v5, but might be looked at if you want a face-off specialist. What your team is willing to pay for that remains to be seen.

Blame line mates all you want, but players like Brendan Gallagher and Jake Evans improve their shot metrics away from Monahan. The opposite is true for Monahan.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Exactly. The Avs have seen this movie already this year. Big, slow, not into checking, and good at faceoffs describes both Johansen and Monahan. And look at whats happening to Johansen - he played less than 10 minutes against Vegas.

Why would anyone assume it would be different with Monahan?

The only thing making this idea of the Avs possibly being interested somewhat plausible is MacFarland's apparent dedication to wasting roster spots and or assets to bring in guys who are not a fit simply because theyre cheap. In the end, these moves become quite costly as they accomplish very little.

Comparing Monahan to Johansen is pretty strange. Like, people on here know we have access to player tracking data, right? I don't care if you actually watch the Canadiens (I wouldn't blame you), but Monahan isn't slow, just not fast.

I also don't particularly care of Colorado is interested or not, but you've made a lot of comments in this thread that make it seem like the last time you actually watched him was when he was hobbling around with Calgary. And that hasn't been the case in Montreal.

 

[CanMerc]

There's a list of rental C with note
Lindholm (option A for Boston Colorado Vancouver Winnipeg)
Monahan (Option B for theses club)
Henrique, johnson, Wennberg and Roslovic
(C plan)

Everything can change if Tampa bay does not in position to making playoff on March 8th maybe they will be interest to deal Stamkos.
Tampa got 21 games to play before deadline and they got 43 gp
With only 20 game left if they are back by 8 pts or more they maybe want to have assets for Stamkos. Also Stamkos can return to Tampa after the playoffs

I’d take Wennberg and Henrique over Monahan any day

I find myself hoping the Avs give Montreal 1st round value for him, just to see the Avs fans eating their words, and regardless of whether that value ultimately translates into anything useful for Montreal.

I’m hoping they get him for a 3rd to see all the Habs fans go cricket quiet and disappear from the main boards…lol

The reality is a 2nd or B-prospect… maybe both , but unlikely more

 

[BKarchitect]

There's a list of rental C with note
Lindholm (option A for Boston Colorado Vancouver Winnipeg)
Monahan (Option B for theses club)
Henrique, johnson, Wennberg and Roslovic
(C plan)

Monahan may or may not get something akin to late 1st value…we all know GMs lose their minds at the deadline.

But he is certainly not a tier or option above Henrique or Wennberg.

Right now it’s Lindholm and then the Gulf Coast…then some patchwork vet rentals. Who can be useful. But it’s absurd to think that Monahan is the only show in town after Lindy.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

2nd and a prospect is my guess. People saying a third round pick.... I'll gladly take the L if that's all he goes for.

 

[jfhabs]

Monahan may or may not get something akin to late 1st value…we all know GMs lose their minds at the deadline.

But he is certainly not a tier or option above Henrique or Wennberg.

Right now it’s Lindholm and then the Gulf Coast…then some patchwork vet rentals. Who can be useful. But it’s absurd to think that Monahan is the only show in town after Lindy.

He's not a tier above Henrique or Wennberg, but he cost less than half these guys which leaves the acquiring team to with more money to spend on other areas of their team.

 

[Chose]

Habs fan here.
Lots of non Habs are saying he is worth only a third.
Some Habs fans think he might be worth a late 1st.

Objective fans and non fans are saying a 2nd.

I am thinking it will end up that way, right in the middle of the fans valuations.
And that will be perfect.

 

[pth2]

I’d take Wennberg and Henrique over Monahan any day


I’m hoping they get him for a 3rd to se3 all the Habs fans go cricket quiet and disappear from the main boards…lol

The reality is a 2nd or B-prospect… maybe both , but unlikely more

I'm expecting something like both a 2nd and a mid-level prospect, but of course hoping for more. But if he truly isn't worth more than a 3d, I'll be stunned. He's a weird case in that his past injuries can dictate the market in ways we can't/don't know about.

That being said, the suggestions he's essentially valueless by people who clearly haven't seen much of him this season are getting annoying.

He's not a tier above Henrique or Wennberg, but he cost less than half these guys which leaves the acquiring team to with more money to spend on other areas of their team.

At 50%, he comes in barely above ELC level.... so just about any team that wants him can find a way to fit him in. I figure at least one likely playoff team sees him as being worth a 2nd...

 

[TS Quint]

[MOD]

And Domi is a 70 point center, Galchenyuk is only bad because of the coach, Anderson is totally worth a 1st etc etc. These aren’t informed opinions proving correct, it’s a broken clock being right twice a day.

 

[BKarchitect]

He's not a tier above Henrique or Wennberg, but he cost less than half these guys which leaves the acquiring team to with more money to spend on other areas of their team.

I'm expecting something like both a 2nd and a mid-level prospect, but of course hoping for more. But if he truly isn't worth more than a 3d, I'll be stunned. He's a weird case in that his past injuries can dictate the market in ways we can't/don't know about.

That being said, the suggestions he's essentially valueless by people who clearly haven't seen much of him this season are getting annoying.


At 50%, he comes in barely above ELC level.... so just about any team that wants him can find a way to fit him in. I figure at least one likely playoff team sees him as being worth a 2nd...

No doubt the Ducks will retain the full amount if needed on Henrique, for example, to broaden the market but Monahan's cap hit, especially retained, is a valid selling point I would agree.

 

[BKarchitect]

Was he worth that 1st?

And Domi is a 70 point center, Galchenyuk is only bad because of the coach etc etc. These aren’t informed opinions proving correct, it’s a broken clock being right twice a day.

We will be hearing about Chiarot on HFB during the TDL of 2035.

It happened. It happened to a good GM too in Zito.

But if anything, it should be a cautionary tale. Chiarot was a dud in Florida and contributed basically nothing that a replacement level #5 couldn't have done. Then he walked (well - that's the one smart thing Zito did in the Chiarot debacle, not to make matters worse by re-signing him).

To be fair, I see mostly reasonable takes in here from Habs fans. I think most have backed away from "he's getting a first". Getting a 2nd or a late 2nd and B- "prospect flier"? That doesn't seem crazy at all.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Was he worth that 1st?

And Domi is a 70 point center, Galchenyuk is only bad because of the coach, Anderson is totally worth a 1st etc etc. These aren’t informed opinions proving correct, it’s a broken clock being right twice a day.

I don't care if he was worth it. He got it.

Also Domi quite literally was a 70 point center, I'm not sure what your point is here? You could also do the same for people railing against the Habs.

Examples - Lehkonen is a 4th line winger, Monahan is finished as a good player, Chiarot won't fetch a 1st, Danault is a 3rd line center on a contending team

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don't care if he was worth it. He got it.

Also Domi quite literally was a 70 point center, I'm not sure what your point is here? You could also do the same for people railing against the Habs.

Examples - Lehkonen is a 4th line winger, Monahan is finished as a good player, Chiarot won't fetch a 1st, Danault is a 3rd line center on a contending team

But you act like thats a legitimate reference point as if GMs are trying to replicate bad trades.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

But you act like thats a legitimate reference point as if GMs are trying to replicate bad trades.

Every bad trade door one gm is a good trade for another gm. So tone of those trade partners is trying to replicate it.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

But you act like thats a legitimate reference point as if GMs are trying to replicate bad trades.

Do you think Chiarot was the 1st mediocre defenseman ever to be traded for a 1st round pick at the deadline?

David Savard and Kyle Quincey ring any bells?

 

[Captain Mountain]

We will be hearing about Chiarot on HFB during the TDL of 2035.

It happened. It happened to a good GM too in Zito.

But if anything, it should be a cautionary tale. Chiarot was a dud in Florida and contributed basically nothing that a replacement level #5 couldn't have done. Then he walked (well - that's the one smart thing Zito did in the Chiarot debacle, not to make matters worse by re-signing him).

To be fair, I see mostly reasonable takes in here from Habs fans. I think most have backed away from "he's getting a first". Getting a 2nd or a late 2nd and B- "prospect flier"? That doesn't seem crazy at all.

Eh, people say this, but its not even the only trade Montreal made that deadline (let alone other deadline trades made by all teams over the last 3, 5, 10, 15 years) that the consensus on HF Boards has been very wrong about. Personally, I was less annoyed about the awful Chiarot trade value takes from non-Habs fans (because Chiarot is and was overrated), and more annoyed about the awful Lehkonen trade value takes from non-Habs fans that deadline.

Monahan is a veteran forward who is respected around the league for his "character" and leadership qualities, can play all around the line-up, take faceoffs and has been productive this year, moreso when relative to the team around him. The difference between his cap hit and comparable trade targets is half to a 3rd, and Montreal is a team that can retain and take back salary (if the return justifies it). Considering previous trade deadlines, of course Montreal would start by looking for a 1st in return. Will they get it? It depends on how the trade market shakes out, but I'm not betting on it.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

A lot of you are overvaluing draft picks.

A 3rd line center is worth a late first in the NHL, easy.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

A lot of you are overvaluing draft picks.

A 3rd line center is worth a late first in the NHL, easy.

No way for a 29 yr old rental.

I’ll retract if you have examples.

Jets got stasny, a 2c for a late 1st and a D level prospect that never played an NHL game.

1st and 2nd rd picks are extremely valuable.


Heck we got Namestnikov, our current 2c, but realistically a 3c for a late fourth rounder.

 

[57special]

Monahan isn’t a #2C on a contender

A #2C for a Cup contender is worth a lot. Sure as hell not a 2nd.

 

[Bond]

A #2C for a Cup contender is worth a lot. Sure as hell not a 2nd.

Thanks I guess? That is why Monahan is worth a 2nd max IMO because he isn't a #2C

 

[jiboy]

Main board be damned , Monahan is quite the smart player and his play for the habs has been impressive.

Any team acquiring him wont regret if his health holds up. Great player to have on your side and still has good offensive touch.

Guessing he will go for something worth around 2nd+5th

 

[JuJu Mobb]

No way for a 29 yr old rental.

I’ll retract if you have examples.

Jets got stasny, a 2c for a late 1st and a D level prospect that never played an NHL game.

1st and 2nd rd picks are extremely valuable.


Heck we got Namestnikov, our current 2c, but realistically a 3c for a late fourth rounder.

A late 1st or 2nd round draft picks are not extremely valuable. Teams trade those often.

What the odds these picks become NHL players to begin with.

Ben Chariot, Tanner Jeannot, Kyle Quincey, Nick Foligno, Barclay Goodrow, Ondrej Kase, Christian Dvorak all traded for 1st round draft picks.

 

[waitin425]

I’d take Wennberg and Henrique over Monahan any day

You would?

Why?

29 year old Wennberg at 17 points in 41 games with a $4.5 million cap hit

33 year old Henrique at 22 points in 40 games with a $5.825 million cap hit

29 year old Sean Monahan at 24 points in 41 games with a $1.985 million cap hit

Please explain, from your viewings of these players (unless of course you are stat watching) why you, in the role of GM, would take Wennberg and Henrique over Monahan "any day".

I am dying to know!

 

[Double Dion]

Comparing Monahan to Johansen is pretty strange. Like, people on here know we have access to player tracking data, right? I don't care if you actually watch the Canadiens (I wouldn't blame you), but Monahan isn't slow, just not fast.

I also don't particularly care of Colorado is interested or not, but you've made a lot of comments in this thread that make it seem like the last time you actually watched him was when he was hobbling around with Calgary. And that hasn't been the case in Montreal.

Monahan was slow before he had all the hip and knee injuries. He's very slow now. Do you also think Toffoli and M. Tkachuk aren't slow.

You would?

Why?

29 year old Wennberg at 17 points in 41 games with a $4.5 million cap hit

33 year old Henrique at 22 points in 40 games with a $5.825 million cap hit

29 year old Sean Monahan at 24 points in 41 games with a $1.985 million cap hit

Please explain, from your viewings of these players (unless of course you are stat watching) why you, in the role of GM, would take Wennberg and Henrique over Monahan "any day".

I am dying to know!

Maybe because they don't give up 3.89 goals per 60 at even strength and pace 26 points at even strength? Monahan is a faceoff guy and he needs PP time to produce.