Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[BLNY]

Playing on a bad team puts players into roles that are above where they would be on good clubs. Is Monahan more than a third liner on a good club?

There's extensive history of top tier teams obtaining top line or top six talent and playing them down the lineup. That he could play down the lineup of a deep team doesn't take away from his ability to play top six minutes and contribute. You're getting a top six player. Teams will pay a top six price.

 

[Frederixx]

Playing on a bad team puts players into roles that are above where they would be on good clubs. Is Monahan more than a third liner on a good club?

I didn't watch that many games, but from what i've seen, he's been playing with guys like Armia and Anderson and still have been putting up 1st line pts for the past few weeks. Unless i'm missing something, he seems to generate offense without much help.

From my perspective, he could be a good 2nd line center even on a good team.

 

[Hunter368]

The retention spot is just till the end of the year tho right?

IIRC & to my understanding, that's true

 

[pth2]

There's extensive history of top tier teams obtaining top line or top six talent and playing them down the lineup. That he could play down the lineup of a deep team doesn't take away from his ability to play top six minutes and contribute. You're getting a top six player. Teams will pay a top six price.

Best example IMO: Vladimir Malakhov was rented from Montreal to NJ for a playoff run. He was #1D in Montreal, and played as a 3d pairing in NJ. Having a solid 3d pairing really helped NJ get that 2000 Cup. Matchups were less of an issue, they had some depth for injuries and could limit icetime for other players, etc. (exactly the opposite of Montreal's Finals of 2021 when the top-4 got all the icetime and the bottom pairing was never played as an actual pairing)

Sheldon Souray had a fine carreer but I doubt NJ ever regretted that deal.

The retention spot is just till the end of the year tho right?

I figure if retention really matters for the acquiring team, 3d party retention would be more logical, at the cost of a 5th or so, so Montreal keeps its last retention slot for a player with term (ie, where 3d party retention is unaffordable). Savard at the deadline, or perhaps Dvorak or Allen this summer, would be prime options for that final retention spot.

 

[HuGo boss]

Monahan is a player that's ideally placed as a 3rd scoring line center and can play in most (not all) #1pp but the real value is if one of you top 2 centers go down in the playoff he's a damn good option to step up or even step up as a winger
Value is (imo) 2nd + b prospect to late 1st and habs can take back a expiring cap dump

Pros- super smart positionally, great shot, great on faceoffs, good team guy, good on pp, can play center or wing effectively, can move up and down the lineup

Cons- injury history is extensive, slow, average defensively

This is the trade deadline where GM are trying to save their job, win a cup etc overpayments happen every single year and this one shouldn't be any different

 

[TS Quint]

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I am not sure what point you are making here.. that he is good or bad at PK?

From what i've seen, he is fine. Nothing to write home about, but also no Bergeron. I mean.. Montreal is 29th in terms of PK, so how good can you say anyone is? I looked at plus minus, and he has -10 but you dont get those numbers unless you are in those PK situations (lol ie: Armia is +1), and Savard has the same numbers. Montreal is 5th worse in the league with 4.27 penalties per game, so it's possible that MSL has no choice but to use him.

I think in the perfect world, Suzuki would be 1 or 2 C, with Dach being the other to split offensive workloads, which would split the other team's best assets between them. In theory that would help both players produce offensively. With Newhook and Dach out, MSL seems to want to use Monahan to the same effect.

However, Dvorak is injured, Evans can handle some of the PK work and guys like Mitchell are meh. Monahan gives MSL that other option, especially as his faceoff percentage is high. I dont know that Monahan would be used in PK optimally (id rather see him on a top 6, especially with another Center with a different strong side on faceoffs), but the point is that he can, and i dont think he looked out of place doing it.

I'm pointing out that you are just saying random things that just aren’t true in order to win a fantasy trade. But I doubt you are going to let stats and facts get in the way of your story.

You also put way too much weight into faceoffs. They aren’t that important. I’ll point to Dvorak and his outstanding faceoff stats vs his horrid possession numbers.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I disagree that lekh has more value; less versatility and can’t play c. However i also feel like a 2 and prospect is better than a first. I was curious in putting that forward before the trade because a 2 and prospect gives folks an out that « mrl didn’t get a first «

In what way? Lehkonen can literally play anywhere from 1st to 4th line, PP1 PP2, PK1 PK2. The only thing Monahan has that Lehky doesn't is Center ability. And Monahan can't play up and down the lineup like Lehky, he doesn't skate well enough or have a good enough defensive game.


That said, where the real difference in value between the two lies is in the RFA vs UFA designation. Lehky being an RFA guaranteed the Avs get at least 2 playoff runs with him if they wanted it. With Monaham you're only guaranteed the 1 run. That's a substantial difference in value.


FWIW I actually think Monahan has a chance to get a 1st round pick and sadly if he goes to Colorado it will almost certainly be for a 1st since we don't have the 2nd round pick capital other teams have. But Monahan is a truly terrible fit for the Avs and it will have the entire Avs fanbase wanting CMac fired if that's the trade he makes so really hoping somebody else bites the bullet on this one.

 

[McGees]

Money Hands getting a 1st or equivalent prospect.
If you don't think so, then just admit you haven't watched him this year or you are a Hab hater and move on with your life.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

Same people saying Monahan is a terrible fit for their teams will be the same ones typing "Monny!" when he scores for them. Absolute cornballs.

Oh no we might have to trade a late first (Probably never making the NHL) vs a 2nd and a B prospect (Also probably not making the NHL)

 

[Gaud]

I’m pointing out hat you are just saying random thing that just aren’t true In attempt to win a fantasy trade. But I don’t think you are going to let’s facts and stats get in your way.

The weight you put into faceoffs is also

I'm pointing out that you are just saying random things that just aren’t true in order to win a fantasy trade. But I doubt you are going to let stats and facts get in the way of your story.

You also put way too much weight into faceoffs. They aren’t that important. I’ll point to Dvorak and his outstanding faceoff stats vs his horrid possession numbers.

Lol random how?? In not making shit up.. I make opinions, validate them and defend them with numbers. Everything is from nhl.com. Didn’t even need t t specialized stats.

What are u using as stats to describe your take?

Your point on Dvorak is taken, but how would his possession numbers be without his facepff wins? Monahan starts with the puck five percent of the time more than otherwise.. how is that not useful i pk? Why would the coach not take that into account when choosing a c?

 

[UrbanImpact]

Hes going to the Rangers, its so obvious and predictable.

 

[BLONG7]

I didn't watch that many games, but from what i've seen, he's been playing with guys like Armia and Anderson and still have been putting up 1st line pts for the past few weeks. Unless i'm missing something, he seems to generate offense without much help.

From my perspective, he could be a good 2nd line center even on a good team.

Our PP has been clicking a little better....

Monahan is a plan B, or plan C, for teams who miss out on better options,

He isn't returning a first round pick,

He won't be moved until better deals are done

Keep throwing this out there..................he has more points than Lindholm, and makes 3M per season less..............and has better face off numbers, so.......................Lindholm may be plan A but just throwing some stuff in to the wind.

Monahan is a plan B, or plan C, for teams who miss out on better options,

He isn't returning a first round pick,

He won't be moved until better deals are done

Keep throwing this out there..................he has more points than Lindholm, and makes 3M per season less..............and has better face off numbers, so.......................Lindholm may be plan A but just throwing some stuff in to the wind.

 

[ole ole]

I really like Monahan, and I think a lot of people here are underrating him. But a 1st rounder is a lot to hope for. I figure a 2nd rounder is the low end for the expected return. Go up a bit from there if there's a bidding war or if MTL retains.

1st plus shouldn't happen unless a GM is desperate for a splash to save his job.

Retain. Retain on WHAT?

 

[ole ole]

IIRC & to my understanding, that's true

Hell if he gets traded his contract will have next to nothing left on it.
No need to retain on so little. That's also an attractive piece added to his value. Hit will be so low there would be no reason for a team to even think about retain.

 

[BLONG7]

Montreal are no more likely getting a first for monohan as they are getting a first for Anderson

That ship has sailed, take what you can get and be done with it,

Why get stuck with another "anderson"

Take a second rounder and be done with it,

HuGo got greedy with Anderson, and look where that got him

I didn't say what they would get for anyone............
Cheers....

 

[JustAHabFan]

Montreal are no more likely getting a first for monohan as they are getting a first for Anderson

That ship has sailed, take what you can get and be done with it,

Why get stuck with another "anderson"

Take a second rounder and be done with it,

HuGo got greedy with Anderson, and look where that got him

Monahan is on a 60 points pace. He made less than 2M a year. His contract expired at the end of the season. How did Monahan become another Anderson?

 

[Nicko999]

In what way? Lehkonen can literally play anywhere from 1st to 4th line, PP1 PP2, PK1 PK2. The only thing Monahan has that Lehky doesn't is Center ability. And Monahan can't play up and down the lineup like Lehky, he doesn't skate well enough or have a good enough defensive game.


That said, where the real difference in value between the two lies is in the RFA vs UFA designation. Lehky being an RFA guaranteed the Avs get at least 2 playoff runs with him if they wanted it. With Monaham you're only guaranteed the 1 run. That's a substantial difference in value.


FWIW I actually think Monahan has a chance to get a 1st round pick and sadly if he goes to Colorado it will almost certainly be for a 1st since we don't have the 2nd round pick capital other teams have. But Monahan is a truly terrible fit for the Avs and it will have the entire Avs fanbase wanting CMac fired if that's the trade he makes so really hoping somebody else bites the bullet on this one.

Fair points but Monahan is simply a much better hockey player than Lehkonen. No amount of defensive play will make up for the big difference in offense.

I don't think the ask is unreasonable. A late 1st rounder (chances of that player becoming an NHLer is 50/50) and a B prospect (a la Barron who still can't make the NHL) for a player that will have a big impact on your team for the playoff run.

 

[The Great Weal]

Monahan is a plan B, or plan C, for teams who miss out on better options,

He isn't returning a first round pick,

He won't be moved until better deals are done

Who are the better options? Lindholm will got for a 1st++ but after that who is there?

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Lebrun : from talking to a couple teams today alot of people point to his AAV under 2mill and say hes worth a 1st specially if Habs are willing to eat 50% of that Monahan is going to be a hot name before march 8

HFBoards : Monahan is worth a 3rd round pick

 

[Miller Time]

Oh look Monahan will probably get a first. Weird

Uh oh ... Ken Hughes has infiltrated hockey media again, further pushing his pump & dump propaganda on the unsuspecting GMs of the Avs & Jets...

I wonder which GM will fall for this elaborate ruse...

 

[Flair Hay]

I think Monahan can be part of a deal that beings back a 1st, but there probably would need tonbe something else included in the same deal.

Like if Monahan and Savard were packaged together for a 1st + something.

A 1st for Monahan straight up would be larceny but I don't like to say it will never happen.

 

[Andrei79]

He can play any position, on any line. If he plays like he has for the Habs the last two years, the team getting him will be very, very happy with the deal. I still think he would be a perfect fit in Edmonton, especially with Perry already there, but Colorado would like him too. Lesser players have gone for a first. so we'll see. It all depends on the market and the timing of the trade.

 

[John Mandalorian]

He can play any position, on any line. If he plays like he has for the Habs the last two years, the team getting him will be very, very happy with the deal. I still think he would be a perfect fit in Edmonton, especially with Perry already there, but Colorado would like him too. Lesser players have gone for a first. so we'll see. It all depends on the market and the timing of the trade.

He doesnt skate well enough for the teams you mebtioned.

He's not really a fit for Colorado. Av fans are practically universally against this but the GM has repeatedly made the mistake of acquiring poor skaters. Not only have they practically always failed but the current GM is presently trying to fix one of these mistakes.

Johansen was practically free but now the GM is seeing how costly it can be to simply be cheap and not worry about fit.

 

[Bond]

lol I’m still half expecting him to get shutdown with an injury right before the trade deadline.

 

[bleuetbio]

Playing on a bad team puts players into roles that are above where they would be on good clubs. Is Monahan more than a third liner on a good club?

I understand but its not the case. Here's the thing, he plays with the bad players or young players not necessary to be successful on a bad and still get points. Thats why I often said he has been the 2nd best forward of team behind Suzuki.