Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[Wayfarer13]

If someone doesnt want to get extorted by Gorton Hughes before the Monahan bubble bursts, consider a Monahan lite in Ryan Johansen. Similar skill sets. Similar players but Johansen is a buy low option that will cost a lot less.

If you're tired of these extortionistic prices, just pick up the phone and dial 303. Our price is insane!

2 years older, more than twice the cap hit, 1 more year on the contract, a little better than half the production on a much better team

 

[John Mandalorian]

2 years older, more than twice the cap hit, 1 more year on the contract, a little better than half the production on a much better team

“Better team” but not a good fit...just like Monahan on Colorado. Johansen would probably have better numbers on Montreal than with Colorado.

 

[Wayfarer13]

@bernmeister

What do you say to Johansen instead of Monahan instead of paying Montreal's extortionistic acquisition cost?

Factors:

* Monahan is better and having a better season but Johansen and Monahan are similar players. Each is a bad fit for Colorado and a better fit for NYR.

* Gorton vs NYR. Meanwhile, Sakic and Drury are ex teammates who can each possibly help each other out.

How is it extortionistic? Have NHL management teams been caught in a compromising situation?

 

[Qwijibo]

A 3rd round pick is fair value for an injury prone bottom 6 player. It's probably overpayment when you consider how much of a liability he is at 5v5.

If you say so

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Imagine thinking a 3rd is fair value for Monahan

 

[Miller Time]

“Better team” but not a good fit...just like Monahan on Colorado. Johansen would probably have better numbers on Montreal than with Colorado.

Very unlikely.

 

[bbny]

Since Monahan is going to be quite expensive in acquisition cost, would NYR possibly be interested in Ryan Johansen, who like Monahan, is probably a better fit for the Rangers than the Avs?

You can have Johansen for a 4th but Avs can be flexible.

I think the Avs would have to pay to get out from under Johansen's cap hit for rest of this season + next season.

The Rangers might be tempted to take Johansen for future considerations if the Avs attach a future 3rd or 4th round pick. I doubt the Avs would be able to dump him for cheaper than a 2nd during the offseason, so they would be unloading him at a discount + getting immediate cap to make another move this year.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I think the Avs would have to pay to get out from under Johansen's cap hit for rest of this season + next season.

The Rangers might be tempted to take Johansen for future considerations if the Avs attach a future 3rd or 4th round pick. I doubt the Avs would be able to dump him for cheaper than a 2nd during the offseason, so they would be unloading him at a discount + getting immediate cap to make another move this year.

Yeah. Honestly, Id do the FC for RJ and a 3rd.

Teams are over a barrel right now. If Drury has an aversion to dealing with Montreal, he should keep 303 handy. I said the Avs are flexible. I dont think Johansen is a better player than Monahen but Montreal is better suited for guys like them. I think Johansen wouldnt have as many points as Monahan but it would be more than he has in Colorado - maybe halfway in between. He's a bad fit in Colorado but can help someone. Avs shouldn't be under any pretense though. Its to their benefit to do something in season - like you said.

 

[bbny]

Yeah. Honestly, Id do the FC for RJ and a 3rd.

Teams are over a barrel right now. If Drury has an aversion to dealing with Montreal, he should keep 303 handy. I said the Avs are flexible. I dont think Johansen is a better player than Monahen but Montreal is better suited for guys like them. I think Johansen wouldnt have as many points as Monahan but it would be more than he has in Colorado - maybe halfway in between. He's a bad fit in Colorado but can help someone. Avs shouldn't be under any pretense though. Its to their benefit to do something in season - like you said.

Who do you like for Colorado to go get if they dump Johansen's cap number?

 

[Gaud]

Lehkonen had a bigger value than Monahan has right now.

But 2nd + Barron (recent 1st pick) was a better offer than a late 1st.

I disagree that lekh has more value; less versatility and can’t play c. However i also feel like a 2 and prospect is better than a first. I was curious in putting that forward before the trade because a 2 and prospect gives folks an out that « mrl didn’t get a first «

 

[John Mandalorian]

Who do you like for Colorado to go get if they dump Johansen's cap number?

Not sure. They often go the cheap route and thats how they end up with bad fits. But the news about discussions between Phi and Col makes one wonder if they're after something bigger.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I disagree that lekh has more value; less versatility and can’t play c. However i also feel like a 2 and prospect is better than a first. I was curious in putting that forward before the trade because a 2 and prospect gives folks an out that « mrl didn’t get a first «

Was an RFA without the the injury history. Does more than score.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

i think Lehky had more value then Monahan as right now

RFA
Good 2 way player
Kinda young
No injury history
Was coming off the finals run where him and Danault were shutting down opponents best lines

2nd + Barron was a great trade at the time might still be but Barron needs to work on his def hes a mess defensively

Monahan might have more teams interested in him tho hes cheap great on faceoffs could play C or wing and up and down the line up

 

[Gaud]

Was an RFA without the the injury history. Does more than score.

Sure Monahan can score, but that is far from all he does. For one, he can do it from anywhere up and down the FWD lineup, either at wing or C. I've even seen him have success with friggin Pearson and Gallagher for a while (my friends called them the MPG line, wondering how many miles P and G have in the tank). He is rocking it in the faceoff circle and is always where he's supposed to be on the ice.

He's also been taking on defensive missions (PK, D Zone faceoffs). Though Lekhonen kind of had a silent "working hard ethic" type of leadership, Monahan strikes me as being much more of a leader and a voice in the locker room.

While RFA may certainly be worth something, I think that having a guy that can offer you 2nd line C scoring, can be put in any situation (W or C), has a positive voice in your lineup and has talent is definitely worth more than a bottom 9 W that excels in D situations. I also think that getting Monahan for what's left of a 1.9 M contract that expires at then end of the season is a major plus and negates at least part of the risks of him getting injured before the end of the season.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Sure Monahan can score, but that is far from all he does. For one, he can do it from anywhere up and down the FWD lineup, either at wing or C. I've even seen him have success with friggin Pearson and Gallagher for a while (my friends called them the MPG line, wondering how many miles P and G have in the tank). He is rocking it in the faceoff circle and is always where he's supposed to be on the ice.

He's also been taking on defensive missions (PK, D Zone faceoffs). Though Lekhonen kind of had a silent "working hard ethic" type of leadership, Monahan strikes me as being much more of a leader and a voice in the locker room.

While RFA may certainly be worth something, I think that having a guy that can offer you 2nd line C scoring, can be put in any situation (W or C), has a positive voice in your lineup and has talent is definitely worth more than a bottom 9 W that excels in D situations. I also think that getting Monahan for what's left of a 1.9 M contract that expires at then end of the season is a major plus and negates at least part of the risks of him getting injured before the end of the season.

Oh please. More pump and dump? Lehkonen can at least skate.

 

[Lockin17]

How about

MTL : Monahan (50%)
for
AVS : Johansen + First pick 2024 + 4th rd 2024

 

[Price is Wright]

Seeing Boston on the trade lists makes me wonder if people know that's a destination for Monahan.

 

[John Mandalorian]

How about

MTL : Monahan (50%)
for
AVS : Johansen + First pick 2024 + 4th rd 2024

Easy pass for the Avs. Monahan and Johansen are similar players even if Monahan is a better version. These aren’t the types of players Colorado should be wasting assets on. It’s bad enough, MacFarland thought he was getting this type of player for free only to realize how costly it is. Monahan would be doubling down on the same mistake and spending even more assets to end up practically in the same place (with this deal).

It is absolutely not what the Avs need or should be doing.

 

[TS Quint]

Sure Monahan can score, but that is far from all he does. For one, he can do it from anywhere up and down the FWD lineup, either at wing or C. I've even seen him have success with friggin Pearson and Gallagher for a while (my friends called them the MPG line, wondering how many miles P and G have in the tank). He is rocking it in the faceoff circle and is always where he's supposed to be on the ice.

He's also been taking on defensive missions (PK, D Zone faceoffs). Though Lekhonen kind of had a silent "working hard ethic" type of leadership, Monahan strikes me as being much more of a leader and a voice in the locker room.

While RFA may certainly be worth something, I think that having a guy that can offer you 2nd line C scoring, can be put in any situation (W or C), has a positive voice in your lineup and has talent is definitely worth more than a bottom 9 W that excels in D situations. I also think that getting Monahan for what's left of a 1.9 M contract that expires at then end of the season is a major plus and negates at least part of the risks of him getting injured before the end of the season.

Is MonaHan any good at PK? You can find the answer in this thread and it might surprise you.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I just wanna see what he gets and laugh at the side that was wrong

 

[Walksss]

The asking price for Monahan is shaping up to be much higher. He's having a resurgent season, he's stayed healthy, and he's played an important role in all situations for a team that isn't very good. They would be really really not good without him.

He's having a better year than Lindholm who might just be washed when Monahan is getting healthy and hitting a second prime. I'm sure GMs see that, they aren't internet warriors lol.

Not many players out there that will have the impact Sean will for the cap hit he has and plenty of suitors to go around. Perfect situation for a bidding war and a great haul for the Habs.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

How about

MTL : Monahan (50%)
for
AVS : Johansen + First pick 2024 + 4th rd 2024

pass RyJo sucks and has another year @ 4mill

will get a better offer for Monahan

 

[John Mandalorian]

The asking price for Monahan is shaping up to be much higher. He's having a resurgent season, he's stayed healthy, and he's played an important role in all situations for a team that isn't very good. They would be really really not good without him.

He's having a better year than Lindholm who might just be washed when Monahan is getting healthy and hitting a second prime. I'm sure GMs see that, they aren't internet warriors lol.

Not many players out there that will have the impact Sean will for the cap hit he has and plenty of suitors to go around. Perfect situation for a bidding war and a great haul for the Habs.

Hopefully this is correct and everyone but the Avs goes after Monahan.

 

[bernmeister]

Yeah. Honestly, Id do the FC for RJ and a 3rd.

Teams are over a barrel right now. If Drury has an aversion to dealing with Montreal, he should keep 303 handy. I said the Avs are flexible. I dont think Johansen is a better player than Monahen but Montreal is better suited for guys like them. I think Johansen wouldnt have as many points as Monahan but it would be more than he has in Colorado - maybe halfway in between. He's a bad fit in Colorado but can help someone. Avs shouldn't be under any pretense though. Its to their benefit to do something in season - like you said.

I await yr reply to my post you requested re RyJo

 

[Fatass]

The asking price for Monahan is shaping up to be much higher. He's having a resurgent season, he's stayed healthy, and he's played an important role in all situations for a team that isn't very good. They would be really really not good without him.

He's having a better year than Lindholm who might just be washed when Monahan is getting healthy and hitting a second prime. I'm sure GMs see that, they aren't internet warriors lol.

Not many players out there that will have the impact Sean will for the cap hit he has and plenty of suitors to go around. Perfect situation for a bidding war and a great haul for the Habs.

Playing on a bad team puts players into roles that are above where they would be on good clubs. Is Monahan more than a third liner on a good club?