Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[Some Other Flame]

Any team that gives up a 1st for Monahan is going to pretty much instantly regret it

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Any team that gives up a 1st for Monahan is going to pretty much instantly regret it

I know as a Habs fan I'm glad we kept all our 1sts during Price's career instead of trading any of these gems for a cheap 60 pt C that's great on the PP and can play anywhere in the line up to help us win a Cup

Kotkaniemi
Poehling
Juulsen
Scherbak
McCarron
Galchenyuk
Beaulieu
Tinordi
LeBlanc

No Ragrets

 

[bleuetbio]

Same people saying Monahan is a terrible fit for their teams will be the same ones typing "Monny!" when he scores for them. Absolute cornballs.

Oh no we might have to trade a late first (Probably never making the NHL) vs a 2nd and a B prospect (Also probably not making the NHL)

You have to respect the opinions of my valorous Colorado fans. As a fan of both teams, I totally understand their idea and cannot tell they are wrong even if I disagree. Still, even a deal is made, we (Avs) cannot have Johansen and Monahan on the same team and we (Habs) have fans thinking that bringing back Ryjo (retained) in Montreal would be the end of the world... so tough to be partners.

Fair points but Monahan is simply a much better hockey player than Lehkonen. No amount of defensive play will make up for the big difference in offense.

I don't think the ask is unreasonable. A late 1st rounder (chances of that player becoming an NHLer is 50/50) and a B prospect (a la Barron who still can't make the NHL) for a player that will have a big impact on your team for the playoff run.

I would they are both specialists to be plugs on totally differents contexts.

He doesnt skate well enough for the teams you mebtioned.

He's not really a fit for Colorado. Av fans are practically universally against this but the GM has repeatedly made the mistake of acquiring poor skaters. Not only have they practically always failed but the current GM is presently trying to fix one of these mistakes.

Johansen was practically free but now the GM is seeing how costly it can be to simply be cheap and not worry about fit.

I respect your thinking a lot, I do recognize that Monahan dont represent the Avs DNA but lesson learned this year is he's has been able to adapt whatever how miserable the teamates are. About skating, not sure that is an issue if the partners are Lehkonen-Parise-Kovalenko-Cogliano. There's a lot of possible combos there.

Im curious to know what is your target on deadline day? If not Monahan, its probably Henrique?

Also, I would keep an eye on Primeau...

Any team that gives up a 1st for Monahan is going to pretty much instantly regret it

We feel your pain Calgary

 

[John Mandalorian]

You have to respect the opinions of my valorous Colorado fans. As a fan of both teams, I totally understand their idea and cannot tell they are wrong even if I disagree. Still, even a deal is made, we (Avs) cannot have Johansen and Monahan on the same team and we (Habs) have fans thinking that bringing back Ryjo (retained) in Montreal would be the end of the world... so tough to be partners.



I would they are both specialists to be plugs on totally differents contexts.

I respect your thinking a lot, I do recognize that Monahan dont represent the Avs DNA but lesson learned this year is he's has been able to adapt whatever how miserable the teamates are. About skating, not sure that is an issue if the partners are Lehkonen-Parise-Kovalenko-Cogliano. There's a lot of possible combos there.

Im curious to know what is your target on deadline day?

Also, I would keep an eye on Primeau...



We feel your pain Calgary

My preferences (based on who I estimate might be realistically available):

Lindholm
Frost
Roslovic

Lindholm is discussed often enough. His skill set is a good fit and I’m more optomistic about him than some.

Frost is on a winning team but has been in the doghouse a decent amount. Kind of older and a one hit wonder but when I watch him I typically like what I see and the Avs have some good defensive wings. A decent to good skater - not so much fast but shifty and good with the puck. Can create. A little wary about the age but might be a late bloomer.

Roslovic has a bad reputation but so did Drouin. He’d be more of a reclamation project unless he can assimilate quickly. And he can skate. I’d see him as a plan B or C. Don’t think he should be expensive.

 

[ole ole]

Any team that gives up a 1st for Monahan is going to pretty much instantly regret it

Well we don't expect a non -contender like the Flames to give up a 1st.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Oh contending team…well that rules the Pens out, damn it.

Monahan would have been a great add as a 2C to let Geno move to LW. But if Sean has a pick of contender, that rules the Pens out. Unless he’s dumb enough to think the Pens are one, then we might have a shot…

 

[JustAHabFan]

Any team that gives up a 1st for Monahan is going to pretty much instantly regret it

We did feel your pain. You gave us a 1st to take Monahan's contract. And now we are going to get another 1st by trading him.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I think Monahan can be part of a deal that beings back a 1st, but there probably would need tonbe something else included in the same deal.

Like if Monahan and Savard were packaged together for a 1st + something.

A 1st for Monahan straight up would be larceny but I don't like to say it will never happen.

What

 

[BJCOLLINS]

I know as a Habs fan I'm glad we kept all our 1sts during Price's career instead of trading any of these gems for a cheap 60 pt C that's great on the PP and can play anywhere in the line up to help us win a Cup

Kotkaniemi
Poehling
Juulsen
Scherbak
McCarron
Galchenyuk
Beaulieu
Tinordi
LeBlanc

No Ragrets

you forgot to add cup winning D Sergachev (64 pts last year) #9 OA 2016

what a shame, we should send Carey Price an apology card for destroying his career potential. We stood by as Habs alumni made hockey moves/decisions that remind me of a 2 year old finger painting.

 

[keglu]

Fair points but Monahan is simply a much better hockey player than Lehkonen. No amount of defensive play will make up for the big difference in offense.

I don't think the ask is unreasonable. A late 1st rounder (chances of that player becoming an NHLer is 50/50) and a B prospect (a la Barron who still can't make the NHL) for a player that will have a big impact on your team for the playoff run.

This is crazy take. Lekhonen is coaches dream, hard working great defensively, can slot anywhere in lineup and of top of that he produced at 60 points pace lat year. To even match that Monahan would need to be PPG player on Avs, not even touching "much better" part.
I seriously cant say if this is sarcasm or not.

 

[Nicko999]

This is crazy take. Lekhonen is coaches dream, hard working great defensively, can slot anywhere in lineup and of top of that he produced at 60 points pace lat year. To even match that Monahan would need to be PPG player on Avs, not even touching "much better" part.
I seriously cant say if this is sarcasm or not.

Monahan would be close to the PPG on that Avs team.
His linemates have been Josh Anderson, Joel Armia, Brendan Gallagher, Tanner Pearson. Just imagine what he could do with Rantanen, Makar or McKinnon.

Seriously his IQ is off the charts and Avs fans will love him.

 

[Azrael89]

Monahan would be close to the PPG on that Avs team.
His linemates have been Josh Anderson, Joel Armia, Brendan Gallagher, Tanner Pearson. Just imagine what he could do with Rantanen, Makar or McKinnon.

Seriously his IQ is off the charts and Avs fans will love him.

He wouldn’t be playing with any of those guys. He’s meant to play on the second line. That’s the whole point.

 

[Miller Time]

Any team that gives up a 1st for Monahan is going to pretty much instantly regret it

As much or less than the flames regret trading a first to watch him play better than any forward in the flames lineup these past two years?

 

[keglu]

Monahan would be close to the PPG on that Avs team.
His linemates have been Josh Anderson, Joel Armia, Brendan Gallagher, Tanner Pearson. Just imagine what he could do with Rantanen, Makar or McKinnon.

Seriously his IQ is off the charts and Avs fans will love him.

Avs need play driver or two-way C for second line , not someone to leech points from Rantanen/Mackinnon. These two are fine, dont need more help to produce.

 

[Nicko999]

He wouldn’t be playing with any of those guys. He’s meant to play on the second line. That’s the whole point.

The players he will play with on the 2nd line would still be miles better than the deadweight he is playing with at the moment. And all the focus would be on Mackinnon's line so we can expect a bump in offensive production.

He would also make Avs PP even more lethal.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Monahan would be close to the PPG on that Avs team.
His linemates have been Josh Anderson, Joel Armia, Brendan Gallagher, Tanner Pearson. Just imagine what he could do with Rantanen, Makar or McKinnon.

Seriously his IQ is off the charts and Avs fans will love him.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The players he will play with on the 2nd line would still be miles better than the deadweight he is playing with at the moment. And all the focus would be on Mackinnon's line so we can expect a bump in offensive production.

He would also make Avs PP even more lethal.

You're assuming he is on PP1. Thats hardly a safe assumption. These other guys that you say will carry him are already on the PP1 along with other skilled guys.

Tell us about the dozens of other players MacKinnon, Makar, and Rantanen would elevate.

 

[Nicko999]

You're assuming he is on PP1. Thats hardly a safe assumption. These other guys that you say will carry him are on the PP1 along with other skilled guys.

Tell us about the dozens of other players MacKinnon, Makar, and Rantanen would elevate.

Those 3 players will elevate pretty much anyone playing with them. Lehkonen and Drouin pts totals are inflated because of those.

If Avs don't want him, that is fine. Someone will give a 1st for him. But saying Lehkonen is better than him is just dishonest. Monahan has been the only reason why we even have a semblance of a 2nd line.
Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky have been the first line. If we take those forwards out. Monahan is leading with 35 pts. The next forward is Gallagher with 16!!! pts. Then after that it's Josh Anderson, Alex Newhook and Jake Evans at 13.
No other forward even has 10 pts.

He has more than twice the pts of his linemates. He drives the play on that line by himself.

Just like Lehkonen, the team that will get him will love him.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Don’t think anyone gives a 1st for Monahan. Montreal fans can pretend all they want but not happening. In what world would a team give up a 1st for a guy who likely is a 3 centre on a contender.

 

[kris]

I'd take back a second+decent prospect for Monahan since people overvalue late firsts, there isn't much difference. Something similar to 2nd+Justin Barron from the Lehkonen trade

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Don’t think anyone gives a 1st for Monahan. Montreal fans can pretend all they want but not happening. In what world would a team give up a 1st for a guy who likely is a 3 centre on a contender.

we said he would return a 2nd + maybe a small add but when Lebrun and others come out and say they have sources saying Monahan will return a 1st then you cant blame some Habs fans for thinking we will

Reality is we already received a 1st for Monahan the rest is just bonus

 

[John Mandalorian]

Those 3 players will elevate pretty much anyone playing with them. Lehkonen and Drouin pts totals are inflated because of those.

If Avs don't want him, that is fine. Someone will give a 1st for him. But saying Lehkonen is better than him is just dishonest. Monahan has been the only reason why we even have a semblance of a 2nd line.
Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky have been the first line. If we take those forwards out. Monahan is leading with 35 pts. The next forward is Gallagher with 16!!! pts. Then after that it's Josh Anderson, Alex Newhook and Jake Evans at 13.
No other forward even has 10 pts.

He has more than twice the pts of his linemates. He drives the play on that line by himself.

Just like Lehkonen, the team that will get him will love him.

You're way off on your assessment.

Colorado is a graveyard for poor/slow skaters. For example, look at Eller and Johansen (who is the mistake the Avs are trying to fix).

Drouin and Lehkonen are better skaters. So they complement how the Avs play. Each also fore checks and back checks. So, not only better skaters but they do other things besides score.

Monahan is a poor skater and doesnt fore check or back check.

You're incorrect in your assessments and comparisons.

 

[Wayfarer13]

Who are the better options? Lindholm will got for a 1st++ but after that who is there?

And he is also $3 more against the cap

 

[samsagat]

You're way off on your assessment.

Colorado is a graveyard for poor/slow skaters. For example, look at Eller and Johansen (who is the mistake the Avs are trying to fix).

Drouin and Lehkonen are better skaters. So they complement how the Avs play. Each also fore checks and back checks. So, not only better skaters but they do other things besides score.

Monahan is a poor skater and doesnt fore check or back check.

You're incorrect in your assessments and comparisons.

Sorry, but you're the one who's assessment is incorrect.

You haven't seen him play extensively for a long time and it shows.

Monny might not be the fastest skater but he's smart and forechecking is actually one of his strength. MTL is one of the NHL team that scores the most out of forechecking and Monahan has certainly contributed to this.

And he certainly back checks, he knows how to play the NHL game.

He's actually a pretty complete player.

A lot of uneducated downplaying Mtl players in here, HFboard. I don't know what game you guys are playing but it sounds like bad faith.

When multiple credible insiders are saying Monahan will fetch a 1st and HFboard continue to go against the grain, to play the denying game... well continue to lie to yourselves...

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Those 3 players will elevate pretty much anyone playing with them. Lehkonen and Drouin pts totals are inflated because of those.

If Avs don't want him, that is fine. Someone will give a 1st for him. But saying Lehkonen is better than him is just dishonest. Monahan has been the only reason why we even have a semblance of a 2nd line.
Caufield-Suzuki-Slafkovsky have been the first line. If we take those forwards out. Monahan is leading with 35 pts. The next forward is Gallagher with 16!!! pts. Then after that it's Josh Anderson, Alex Newhook and Jake Evans at 13.
No other forward even has 10 pts.

He has more than twice the pts of his linemates. He drives the play on that line by himself.

Just like Lehkonen, the team that will get him will love him.

It's almost like he plays on the top PP unit, while he's linemates haven't.

He's scoring at 1.65 p/60 at 5v5 lol. That's bottom 6 production while being terrible defensively...

I would take Lehkonen over 2 Monahans. He's better offensively and a waaay better all around player.