Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[pth2]

If Avs don't want him, that is fine. Someone will give a 1st for him. But saying Lehkonen is better than him is just dishonest.

This. So much.

I loved Lehkonen as a Hab, but he wasn't a guy who created offense in any way, shape or form. Monahan is.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

It's almost like he plays on the top PP unit, while he's linemates haven't.

He's scoring at 1.65 p/60 at 5v5 lol. That's bottom 6 production while being terrible defensively...

I would take Lehkonen over 2 Monahans. He's better offensively and a waaay better all around player.

His linemates for most of the year where Gallagher and Pearson, McJesus wouldn’t have great 5v5 with those boat anchors. Since he’s been moved away from them his numbers have improved

 

[John Mandalorian]

Sorry, but you're the one who's assessment is incorrect.

You haven't seen him play extensively for a long time and it shows.

Monny might not be the fastest skater but he's smart and forechecking is actually one of his strength. MTL is one of the NHL team that scores the most out of forechecking and Monahan has certainly contributed to this.

And he certainly back checks, he knows how to play the NHL game.

He's actually a pretty complete player.

A lot of uneducated downplaying Mtl players in here, HFboard. I don't know what game you guys are playing but it sounds like bad faith.

When multiple credible insiders are saying Monahan will fetch a 1st and HFboard continue to go against the grain, to play the denying game... well continue to lie to yourselves...

I saw the most recent games against the Avs and Senators. Why do people default to "you haven't watched"? He was invisible in both games.

 

[samsagat]

Blablabla, PP production only, bad defensively, bad on forechecking, blablabla...

Sorry but you're talking through your hat...

You watched his stats, but just the ones you want...

But did you actually see him play?

He's been playing with meh wingers most of the year. No wonder why he hasn't produced 5 on 5...

Gallagher, Pearson, Anderson, Ylonen, J. Roy, Evans, this is mostly the kind of players he's been playing with.

MTL has no depth offensively, past Suzuki and Caufield it's the desert.. Slafkovsky is on fast track, when it comes to development, but he's still pretty young...

So want it or not, Monahan might be the second more or even the more sought after center of the TD.

If Colorado don't want him, we don't give a damn because there will be a GM somewhere that gonna pay a 1st for him...

Good luck to you guys with trying to acquire Lindholm...

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

His linemates for most of the year where Gallagher and Pearson, McJesus wouldn’t have great 5v5 with those boat anchors. Since he’s been moved away from them his numbers have improved

So what you're saying is that he produces like a bottom 6 player when he plays with bottom 6 players?

Sounds like a bottom 6 player.

 

[samsagat]

I saw the most recent games against the Avs and Senators. Why do people default to "you haven't watched"? He was invisible in both games.

What did you expect?

Patrick Kane?

He's a cerebral guy, he's winning FO, he's doing smart plays that aren't spectacular, but he's efficient.

And he's producing..

Anyway, between LeBrun and Friedman and a bunch of other team fans on HFboard, I think my mind is set up in terms of credibility...

There's a huge gap between NHL GMs and HFboarders in terms of what they value the most...

NHL GMs = winning NHL games

HFboarders = a bunch of people who think NHL is a hockey pool = stats and points...

 

[John Mandalorian]

What did you expect?

Patrick Kane?

He's a cerebral guy, he's winning FO, he's doing smart plays that aren't spectacular, but he's efficient.

And he's producing..

Anyway, between LeBrun and Friedman and a bunch of other team fans on HFboard, I think my mind is set up in terms of credibility...

There's a huge gap between NHL GMs and HFboarders in terms of what they value the most...

NHL GMs = winning NHL games

HFboarders = a bunch of people who think NHL is a hockey pool = stats and points...

Didn’t LeBrun say today that if someone had offered a 1st, he’d be gone already? I read that second hand so I’m genuinely asking.

 

[JustAHabFan]

So what you're saying is that he produces like a bottom 6 player when he plays with bottom 6 players?

Sounds like a bottom 6 player.

Did you see many bottom 6 players who produced at almost 60 points pace? Why do you keep saying bad things about Habs and their players. Just go outside, enjoy the sun and take a break from HF.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Did you see many bottom 6 players who produced at almost 60 points pace? Why do you keep saying bad things about Habs and their players. Just go outside, enjoy the sun and take a break from HF.

Not many bottom 6 players get top PP duties. Monahan is on pace 28 5v5 points.

 

[pman25]

If the cost is a late 1st, I would pass on Monahan and use that pick on Nic Dowd instead. Monahan is useful as powerplay depth but other than that, if you need to build your bottom 6 and acquire a player that can match up against anyone, Dowd is a better acquisition at that price point and is signed for an additional year at $1.3 million.

I would bet their even strength scoring is about the same. And given what teams actually need in the playoffs, Dowd would be the better fit for most teams.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

All top prospects are off the table here unless Drury is a drunkard and Gorton threatens his family.
-Perreault
-Othmann
-Sykora
-Garand
-Berard
-BMB
-Henriksson

Guys that should be in play
-Rempe
-Robertson
-Jones
-Edstrom
-Korczak
-Trivigno
-Lindbom
-Boyko

If Habs fans expect Drury to submit to them because "the Rangers are just soooo desperate right now right?"
I highly recommend waking up to reality. This is a 3 month rental we're talking about that's going to end up playing limited minutes on a competitive team in a 3C role. Monahan is not going to fetch what Giroux did a couple years ago. He's not worth a premium. Let it go.

Premiums are determined by market, not public opinion. After Lindholm, monahan is second as a center and it’s a sellers market

His linemates for most of the year where Gallagher and Pearson, McJesus wouldn’t have great 5v5 with those boat anchors. Since he’s been moved away from them his numbers have improved

And the other side to that, is that the majority of their collective points came with Monahan as a center. He makes his linemates better

I know as a Habs fan I'm glad we kept all our 1sts during Price's career instead of trading any of these gems for a cheap 60 pt C that's great on the PP and can play anywhere in the line up to help us win a Cup

Kotkaniemi
Poehling
Juulsen
Scherbak
McCarron
Galchenyuk
Beaulieu
Tinordi
LeBlanc

No Ragrets

Downright depressing to see THAT list of first rounders. Wow. Absolutely incredible

 

[samsagat]

Didn’t LeBrun say today that if someone had offered a 1st, he’d be gone already? I read that second hand so I’m genuinely asking.

LeBrun said that if Habs retain salary (out of the 1,9ish mil he's making), there's plenty of GMs that'll be interested.

High demand = ??? (You know it, you're smart)

Half of 1,9 mil is 0,95 mil.

Such a low salary for a 50-60 pts center who wins faceoffs, have plenty of leadership skills and play the game the right way (whatever other teams fans are saying)?

I mean, if you add such a player for so cheap, then you can go after other players in the TD.

I think a lot of HFboarders are not taking the production/salary + other intangibles that he brings into account when evaluating Monahan's value...

 

[RC51]

Habs will; get a 1st + for Monahan in fact 5 teams are going to be in the bidding war. Any team not offering a 1st just to join the the bidding war IS OUT. `Yes for once in a long long time the Habs hold a very good asset at a dirt cheap contract and it's way over due for the Habs to get an overpayment for a wanted player. Look habs wont get 3 first rounders or shittt like that but nobody will get him for the low ball " bag of pucks" He is NOT a old worn out piece of shitt that needs a walker to skate or a cancer ridden can't breath and has to ware a diaper changed in a seniors dementia ward. He is a good NHL hockey player that still produces at a high level and again ON A DIRT CHEAP CONTRACT.

 

[samsagat]

Not many bottom 6 players get top PP duties. Monahan is on pace 28 5v5 points.

Yeah!!

Because they wouldn't produce even if they were put on the 1st PP.

There's a reason why Monahan is put in that situation... and capitalize on it ..

 

[gojetsgo]

well what lebrun said it sounds like the jets would be out considering he will get more then he's worth due to his low cap hit and since the jets will have around 8.5 million at the deadline we wouldn't need to pay more then he's worth because we have plenty of space

 

[samsagat]

well what lebrun said it sounds like the jets would be out considering he will get more then he's worth due to his low cap hit and since the jets will have around 8.5 million at the deadline we wouldn't need to pay more then he's worth because we have plenty of space

You guys can go after Lindholm then...

 

[Hunter368]

well what lebrun said it sounds like the jets would be out considering he will get more then he's worth due to his low cap hit and since the jets will have around 8.5 million at the deadline we wouldn't need to pay more then he's worth because we have plenty of space

I’ve said that multi times about the Jets cap space and how Monahan cap hit isn’t big deal or value bc we have so much space already, others will pay more who need that lower cap hit.

 

[Hunter368]

You guys can go after Lindholm then...

That’s the hope, but multi centres will likely be available all very attractive, plus a bunch of non centres very attractive. I listed about 12 I would love to get any of them, lots choices

 

[HighLifeMan]

As much or less than the flames regret trading a first to watch him play better than any forward in the flames lineup these past two years?

Good grief.

He has 19 goals, 52 points over the past two seasons.

He's a good player who when healthy and in the proper role can be a productive player and valuable piece, but this incessant need for Habs fans to pump his tires is hilarious.

 

[samsagat]

That’s the hope, but multi centres will likely be available all very attractive, plus a bunch of non centres very attractive. I listed about 12 I would love to get any of them, lots choices

If Winnipeg has a chance, they MUST go all in.

I hope for you guys that you make it...

30+ years of no Stanley Cup in Canada sucks..

Winnipeg and Vancouver are at the top actually.

Gogogo guys!!



Edit: I forgot Edmonton , gogogo for you guys either

 

[Adam da bomb]

I’ve said that multi times about the Jets cap space and how Monahan cap hit isn’t big deal or value bc we have so much space already, others will pay more who need that lower cap hit.

Plus, won’t the jets have some cap space this year. They only have 1 first, so determining whether Monahan is good value because of his cheap contract is redundant as we don’t need space for someone else, we just need 1 great piece.

If Winnipeg has a chance, they MUST go all in.

I hope for you guys that you make it...

30+ years of no Stanley Cup in Canada sucks..

Winnipeg and Vancouver are at the top actually.

Gogogo guys!!

Too bad there is no fellow Canadian market discount being offered…

 

[keglu]

This. So much.

I loved Lehkonen as a Hab, but he wasn't a guy who created offense in any way, shape or form. Monahan is.

5v5
Lekhonen in 21/22 as Canadien:
25p in 58g,
2.24 P/60 (1s on team) on 7.2% OiSH

Monahan this year,
17p in 49g,
1.65 P/60 on 9.8% OiSH

So Lekhonen produced at much better rate with worse puck luck. Seems like he created more offense 5v5.

 

[Hunter368]

Plus, won’t the jets have some cap space this year. They only have 1 first, so determining whether Monahan is good value because of his cheap contract is redundant as we don’t need space for someone else, we just need 1 great piece.


Too bad there is no fellow Canadian market discount being offered…

Agreed, I doubt the Jets go out and get multi pieces, much prefer quality over quantity. Jets have one 1st and one 2nd (Habs), I doubt either gets traded barring a huge player coming to the Jets with term (which gets potentially complicated moving forward).

 

[bucks_oil]

Yeah!!

Because they wouldn't produce even if they were put on the 1st PP.

There's a reason why Monahan is put in that situation... and capitalize on it ..

I think you are missing the point.

Any contending team (truly contending) already have their top two centers squared away and likely are not acquiring him to help their power play either.

So he's coming in to help produce at 5v5 as a third liner.... with other third line guys. Those are the numbers other GMs will care about.

 

[samsagat]

I think you are missing the point.

Any contending team (truly contending) already have their top two centers squared away and likely are not acquiring him to help their power play either.

So he's coming in to help produce at 5v5 as a third liner.... with other third line guys. Those are the numbers other GMs will care about.

Ok, so your final point is?

He's not worth a sniff?

We'll see at the TD...

Wanna bet?