Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[The Great Weal]

For what it's worth, I agree with the notion that Monahan can, and should, play down the lineup. It's the up part that makes me question whether it's worth spending a 2nd on him.

Lol come on, of course he's worth spending a 2nd on. I agree a 1st is not worth it but if a GM gets really desperate it might happen.

 

[Hunter368]

For what it's worth, I agree with the notion that Monahan can, and should, play down the lineup. It's the up part that makes me question whether it's worth spending a 2nd on him.

I personally would have zero or near zero interest in Monahan for many reasons (just too many warts & risks for me), but some GM could end up giving up a late 1st or 2nd+ for him bc some GM's have very sighted views and often they are fighting for their jobs so they do things very short sighted and not looking at the big picture.

 

[HuGort]

Monahan to the Isles for Pageau and 2 of Bolduc or Aho/Wahlstrom/2nd round pick.

Habs get a responsible vet with the right last name and future pieces. Isles get a better match for what they need on an expiring contract and some cap room.

We stacked on D. No thanks

 

[Frank Drebin]

For what it's worth, I agree with the notion that Monahan can, and should, play down the lineup. It's the up part that makes me question whether it's worth spending a 2nd on him.

lmao. from last years tdl

Jordan Greenway - 2nd and 5th
Granlund - 2nd
Lars Eller - 2nd
Neiderreitter - 2nd

 

[Romang67]

Lol come on, of course he's worth spending a 2nd on. I agree a 1st is not worth it but if a GM gets really desperate it might happen.

Why? Unless you value faceoffs extremely highly?

I personally would have zero or near zero interest in Monahan for many reasons (just too many warts & risks for me), but some GM could end up giving up a late 1st or 2nd+ for him bc some GM's have very sighted views and often they are fighting for their jobs so they do things very short sighted and not looking at the big picture.

I'm sure he'll get a 2nd off name recognition alone. I wouldn't pay it, but some GM will.

 

[Romang67]

lmao. from last years tdl

Jordan Greenway - 2nd and 5th
Granlund - 2nd
Lars Eller - 2nd
Neiderreitter - 2nd

I can't stress enough how much I as a Jets fan would choose one and a half season of Niedderreiter over Monahan. So yeah, that's exactly my point.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I can't stress enough how much I as a Jets fan would choose one and a half season of Niedderreiter over Monahan. So yeah, that's exactly my point.

its just hilarious how you're treating a second round pick as some sort of desirable asset. "I'd hesitate to spend a second on him"

Either you want the player or you don't.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

36 year old Giroux just out raced Monahan to the puck. Did anyone else see that?

Was Monahan well into a shift or is he THAT slow?

Buddy's in here talking about a foot/race puck battle like it's a GDT....

 

[The Great Weal]

Why? Unless you value faceoffs extremely highly?

Because he can produce on top of being great at faceoffs? I mean why are we just ignoring the fact that he has 31 points in 47 games playing with crap linemates (yes I know he produces a lot on the PP)?

 

[Romang67]

its just hilarious how you're treating a second round pick as some sort of desirable asset. "I'd hesitate to spend a second on him"

Either you want the player or you don't.

I don't want the player, hence I think his value is low? I'd rather the relatively low odds that I get something in the 2nd round, or trading that 2nd rounder conditionally a team for a better player. Of course there is probably return value where I think Monahan might be worth picking up, so I'm not sure why the fact that I don't think he's worth a second rounder is so odd.

If I can spend the 2nd rounder on a Niederreiter instead, why would I spend it on Monahan?

Because he can produce on top of being great at faceoffs? I mean why are we just ignoring the fact that he has 31 points in 47 games playing with crap linemates (yes I know he produces a lot on the PP)?

Because he's not a consistent PP producer and he's unlikely to be brought on to a playoff team to boost their PP.

So you're bringing him on not expecting him to be a boost to your 5v5 production, i.e. not a top 6 player, not expecting him to be anything but a net negative defensively, and unlikely to be a boon on the special teams (he's decent on the PP and atrocious on the PK).

 

[Frank Drebin]

I don't want the player, hence I think his value is low?

The going rate for middle 6 players is a second round pick +. (which is essentially nothing)

So if you don't want the player, thats fine. But suggesting that his value is lower than a second, just because you feel he's not a fit on your team, is poor logic. If you don't want him at a second, you don't want him at 3rd, or a 4th, or so on.

 

[The Great Weal]

Because he's not a consistent PP producer and he's unlikely to be brought on to a playoff team to boost their PP.

So you're bringing him on not expecting him to be a boost to your 5v5 production, i.e. not a top 6 player, not expecting him to be anything but a net negative defensively, and unlikely to be a boon on the special teams (he's decent on the PP and atrocious on the PK).

He'd be brought on a playoff team to provide more scoring as per his 31 points in 47 games mostly playing with poor linemates. Just like how a Gustav Nyquist did for the Sharks when they got him for a 2nd+3rd except Monahan can win faceoffs. Just because he's not an ideal 2C for a playoff team doesn't mean he can't be a 2W for them, he's played wing for a bit at times for the Habs too.

I also don't understand how if he's only decent on the PP and won't improve 5v5 production, how does he have 31 points in 47 games? You'd be expecting around half of that if what you're saying is true.

 

[Frank Drebin]

If I can spend the 2nd rounder on a Niederreiter instead, why would I spend it on Monahan?

Because neiderreitter is a winger, and Monahan is a center? If you can find centers that are better, younger, more cost controlled and can be had for a second, go for it.

 

[Romang67]

Because neiderreitter is a winger, and Monahan is a center?

So I'm getting him for the faceoffs? Why am I looking to add a center who doesn't have the 5v5 production to play in the top 6 and isn't good defensively? Where do I comfortable insert him in my playoff team? Am I getting a hybrid who can be added as a bad 2C if my actual 2C gets injured? Cool. Why am I paying a 2nd rounder for insurance?

He'd be brought on a playoff team to provide more scoring as per his 31 points in 47 games mostly playing with poor linemates. Just like how a Gustav Nyquist did for the Sharks when they got him for a 2nd+3rd except Monahan can win faceoffs. Just because he's not an ideal 2C for a playoff team doesn't mean he can't be a 2W for them, he's played wing for a bit at times for the Habs too.

I also don't understand how if he's only decent on the PP and won't improve 5v5 production, how does he have 31 points in 47 games? You'd be expecting around half of that if what you're saying is true.

I'm saying he's not consistent on the PP. This year his production rate on the PP is fine (83rd among forwards with 50+ minutes on the PP). Last year his production rate on the PP was bad (210th among forwards). If he were a consistent boon on the PP, then maybe he could be added as a face-off and PP specialist. He isn't. Good this year, bad last year, good the year before, bad the year before that.

What does adding him on the wing on the 2nd line do? Just get a winger. He's still not good at producing 5v5 (205th in P/60 this season), and he's bad defensively.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Buddy's in here talking about a foot/race puck battle like it's a GDT....

One often gets accuses of not watching.

 

[The Great Weal]

Last year his production rate on the PP was bad (210th among forwards).

He played 25 games last year, did you expect him to produce on the PP when he was not playing? You're all over the place. So his PP production shouldn't be valued much since it wasn't as good last year, but his even strength production with horrible linemates should 100% be considered even though it was good last year.

Having a player that can play center is more valuable in case of injuries.

 

[Frank Drebin]

So I'm getting him for the faceoffs? Why am I looking to add a center who doesn't have the 5v5 production to play in the top 6 and isn't good defensively? Where do I comfortable insert him in my playoff team? Am I getting a hybrid who can be added as a bad 2C if my actual 2C gets injured? Cool. Why am I paying a 2nd rounder for insurance?


I'm saying he's not consistent on the PP. This year his production rate on the PP is fine (83rd among forwards with 50+ minutes on the PP). Last year his production rate on the PP was bad (210th among forwards). If he were a consistent boon on the PP, then maybe he could be added as a face-off and PP specialist. He isn't. Good this year, bad last year, good the year before, bad the year before that.

What does adding him on the wing on the 2nd line do? Just get a winger. He's still not good at producing 5v5 (205th in P/60 this season), and he's bad defensively.

Why are you in the Sean Monahan thread?

 

[Walksss]

Why are you in the Sean Monahan thread?

To tell you his team doesn't need Monahan 10 times a day.

 

[Frank Drebin]

To tell you his team doesn't need Monahan 10 times a day.

At least in the summer when Habs fans were trolling the PLD thread, we still wanted the player. We just didn't want to pay the asking price for him. If you don't want Monahan at all, just leave the thread, you serve zero purpose sticking around here.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Why are you in the Sean Monahan thread?

The discussion is about the value of Sean Monahan. He has an opinion he is sharing on a hockey message board.

 

[HabzSauce]

Because he's not a consistent PP producer and he's unlikely to be brought on to a playoff team to boost their PP.

So you're bringing him on not expecting him to be a boost to your 5v5 production, i.e. not a top 6 player, not expecting him to be anything but a net negative defensively, and unlikely to be a boon on the special teams (he's decent on the PP and atrocious on the PK).

You can't say his PP production this year is an outlier but then go on to say his 5v5 production isnt good when that too is also an outlier.

I'd imagine if he hadnt spent so much time with Joel freaking Armia and Gallagher, his 5v5 points would be higher.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The discussion is about the value of Sean Monahan. He has an opinion he is sharing on a hockey message board.

Not really, he's not. To suggest that his value is less than a second round pick (likely in the 60s and having almost no value in itself) is the equivalent of saying, id give a bag of pucks.

It's useless for discussion.

 

[MasterMatt25]

Seravalli was the one saying Monahan should return a 1st. He's a neutral insider for the league. If he says that, that means there is at least 1 team considering giving up a 1st for him

 

[John Mandalorian]

Seravalli was the one saying Monahan should return a 1st. He's a neutral insider for the league. If he says that, that means there is at least 1 team considering giving up a 1st for him

He's not neutral.

 

[Miller Time]

One thing that seems likely...

If Monahan is the first fwd dealt, it will be because Hughes got his asking price (& that will likely be more than the armchair critics of his game expect).

I think he'll get more if he waits a bit, as there are several contenders looking for reinforcement and once 1-2 go big, pressure will rise for the rest. Nothing like an arms race to boost up value