Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[Walksss]

Wow people are losing their marbles in here. If Monahan gets a first these armchair experts are gonna melt down. I'll get some popcorn.

 

[MardyBum]

 

[74 others]

We should keep him in Montreal.

 

[JustAHabFan]

We should keep him in Montreal.

It's not up to the Habs. Monahan has to agree to resign.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

he is a middle six center. Look at his stats and compare to other available centers on the market for $2M dollars (less at this point). Can I help you with other simple issues like this?

What do you know about physics, calculus, or quantum mechanics tough guy?

Lol

 

[lawrence]

I don't understand the hypothesis that Monahan shouldn't be on a contender's second line. "if Monahan is your second-line centreman then you're not a contender.

I won't even use Vancouver as an example because Vancouver actually had pettersson and JT miller on separate lines for the majority of the season, so we can suddenly go back to that system.

I will use Boston Winnipeg and Colorado. These 3 teams are one of the best teams in the NHL. currently one of the few contenders in the league. So if they added Monahan to their team they are suddenly not contenders?

right now Monahan has more points than Colorado's next highest centermans. 27 year old Ross Colton on paper in Colorado's second-line centerman, has 23 points.

Winnipeg's second line centerman has as many points as Monahan.

Sean Monahan also has more points than Boston's second-line Winnipeg and Colorado's current second-line centerman, but those teams are contenders.

Sean Monahan would be an excellent addition (without moving any current roster pieces) to any of these teams at the moment and it wouldn't change their positions of not suddenly being contenders. For Vancouver, if we do Lotto line our way, then we can have a legit proven second-line centerman in Monahan center it. If not, we can move Monahan as a winger too. Lots of options. MY point is, Monahan will be an ok second-line centerman for many of the top 10 teams, and I used 3 examples. Well, 4 including Vancouver.

Edit

I'm gonna look at 3 more teams. Last year's Cup finalists.

Vegas knights. their second line centerman has 26 points. Monahan also has more points than him.

Florida panthers, damn, , their top 3 centermans have over 45 points.
Rangers top 2 centermans ok, they are very productive.
Flayers second-line centerman holy cow he only has 20 points.

He will be a welcomed addition for many many playoff-bound teams.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I don't understand the hypothesis that Monahan shouldn't be on a contender's second line. "if Monahan is your second-line centreman then you're not a contender.

I won't even use Vancouver as an example because Vancouver actually had pettersson and JT miller on separate lines for the majority of the season, so we can suddenly go back to that system.

I will use Boston Winnipeg and Colorado. These 3 teams are one of the best teams in the NHL. currently one of the few contenders in the league. So if they added Monahan to their team they are suddenly not contenders?

right now Monahan has more points than Colorado's next highest centermans. 27 year old Ross Colton on paper in Colorado's second-line centerman, has 23 points.

Winnipeg's second line centerman has as many points as Monahan.

Sean Monahan also has more points than Boston's second-line Winnipeg and Colorado's current second-line centerman, but those teams are contenders.

Sean Monahan would be an excellent addition (without moving any current roster pieces) to any of these teams at the moment and it wouldn't change their positions of not suddenly being contenders. For Vancouver, if we do Lotto line our way, then we can have a legit proven second-line centerman in Monahan center it. If not, we can move Monahan as a winger too. Lots of options. MY point is, Monahan will be an ok second-line centerman for many of the top 10 teams, and I used 3 examples. Well, 4 including Vancouver.

Edit

I'm gonna look at 3 more teams. Last year's Cup finalists.

Vegas knights. their second line centerman has 26 points. Monahan also has more points than him.

Florida panthers, damn, , their top 3 centermans have over 45 points.
Rangers top 2 centermans ok, they are very productive.
Flayers second-line centerman holy cow he only has 20 points.

He will be a welcomed addition for many many playoff-bound teams.

Because there's more to being a second line center than scoring PP points. He's a defensive liability and doesn't produce at 5v5 like a top 6 center.

 

[HuGort]

I respect that, but NYR picks will be around 25+ and Perreault is more valuable than any prospect arounf there IMO and we dont have a ton of good RW in the system

He's small though.

 

[HuGort]

I might be alone in here, but I'm really impressed with Monahan's play so far. He keeps adding points playing with scrubs mostly. He can easily drive a good team's 2nd line giving the opportunity. The real question is will he stays healthy for a whole year?

I think when everything is said and done, they will add another 1st pick and a prospect/roster

He's the Monahan of his prime Calgary days if he had same linemates.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don't understand the hypothesis that Monahan shouldn't be on a contender's second line. "if Monahan is your second-line centreman then you're not a contender.

I won't even use Vancouver as an example because Vancouver actually had pettersson and JT miller on separate lines for the majority of the season, so we can suddenly go back to that system.

I will use Boston Winnipeg and Colorado. These 3 teams are one of the best teams in the NHL. currently one of the few contenders in the league. So if they added Monahan to their team they are suddenly not contenders?

right now Monahan has more points than Colorado's next highest centermans. 27 year old Ross Colton on paper in Colorado's second-line centerman, has 23 points.

Winnipeg's second line centerman has as many points as Monahan.

Sean Monahan also has more points than Boston's second-line Winnipeg and Colorado's current second-line centerman, but those teams are contenders.

Sean Monahan would be an excellent addition (without moving any current roster pieces) to any of these teams at the moment and it wouldn't change their positions of not suddenly being contenders. For Vancouver, if we do Lotto line our way, then we can have a legit proven second-line centerman in Monahan center it. If not, we can move Monahan as a winger too. Lots of options. MY point is, Monahan will be an ok second-line centerman for many of the top 10 teams, and I used 3 examples. Well, 4 including Vancouver.

Edit

I'm gonna look at 3 more teams. Last year's Cup finalists.

Vegas knights. their second line centerman has 26 points. Monahan also has more points than him.

Florida panthers, damn, , their top 3 centermans have over 45 points.
Rangers top 2 centermans ok, they are very productive.
Flayers second-line centerman holy cow he only has 20 points.

He will be a welcomed addition for many many playoff-bound teams.

Colorado already has a similar enough player in Johansen. He’s a needy player who can’t skate, doesn’t back/fore check, but is good at face offs. Sound familiar?

You talk about Monahans points. He’s probably not on the PP1 for several teams (unless injury or trying to justify the trade so they force it). With that in mind, these points start to mean less. If any acquisition for these teams you mentioned isn’t on PP1, 5v5 becomes more important to look at. That doesn’t mean Monahan hasn’t had success in Montreal this year.

He’s not particularly good in other areas as has been mentioned several times.

Specifically with the Avs, players who aren’t strong skaters like Eller and Johansen have really struggled. Just looking at points with Montreal doesn’t consider this. So there’s a huge risk of stylistic fit. If MacFarland acquires Monahan and he’s not scoring 5v5 and isn’t back/forechecking or playing with speed or energy, there’s no guarantee Bednar will give him minutes. The Avs already have this situation with Johansen.

 

[Hobnobs]

I don't understand the hypothesis that Monahan shouldn't be on a contender's second line. "if Monahan is your second-line centreman then you're not a contender.

I won't even use Vancouver as an example because Vancouver actually had pettersson and JT miller on separate lines for the majority of the season, so we can suddenly go back to that system.

I will use Boston Winnipeg and Colorado. These 3 teams are one of the best teams in the NHL. currently one of the few contenders in the league. So if they added Monahan to their team they are suddenly not contenders?

right now Monahan has more points than Colorado's next highest centermans. 27 year old Ross Colton on paper in Colorado's second-line centerman, has 23 points.

Winnipeg's second line centerman has as many points as Monahan.

Sean Monahan also has more points than Boston's second-line Winnipeg and Colorado's current second-line centerman, but those teams are contenders.

Sean Monahan would be an excellent addition (without moving any current roster pieces) to any of these teams at the moment and it wouldn't change their positions of not suddenly being contenders. For Vancouver, if we do Lotto line our way, then we can have a legit proven second-line centerman in Monahan center it. If not, we can move Monahan as a winger too. Lots of options. MY point is, Monahan will be an ok second-line centerman for many of the top 10 teams, and I used 3 examples. Well, 4 including Vancouver.

Edit

I'm gonna look at 3 more teams. Last year's Cup finalists.

Vegas knights. their second line centerman has 26 points. Monahan also has more points than him.

Florida panthers, damn, , their top 3 centermans have over 45 points.
Rangers top 2 centermans ok, they are very productive.
Flayers second-line centerman holy cow he only has 20 points.

He will be a welcomed addition for many many playoff-bound teams.

This is why

His scoring on ES along with being trash defensively. Leaves him well outside being a 2nd line center on a contender. Appleton is better than him

 

[John Mandalorian]

FYI, the comment has been made several times that it’s Lindholm and then Monahan. The obvious pushback to that is the TDL is over a month away. This is no prediction but there are a few places where other C options might emerge. Anaheim (Zegras), Ottawa (Norris/Pinto), Buffalo (Mittelstadt/Cozens). Perhaps more. Wait and see.

 

[Essenege]

He’s gonna fetch a late first or prospect equivalent, no doubt in my mind. The contract is the sweetener as he’s affordable for most teams and he can join earlier then TDL to mesh with his new team.

Who takes the other side of that bet??

I can see Habs adding a 3rd or a 4th to get that 1st rounder or equivalent prospect. Otherwise he’s simply not dealt IMO. Habs have a surplus of mid rounds pick.

 

[yianik]

Some good rentals have gone for less than the (unconditional) 1st round premium in recent years. In 2019, Dzingel (~64 point pace) and Nyquist (~63 point pace) didn't get it; Zuccarello (~66 point pace) returned conditional 1sts that weren't transferred. In 2020, Lehner was a year removed from a Vezina nomination and only returned a 2nd as the base piece. Hall still had some name value in 2021. 2022 was Manson (premium style RHD), Rakell (name value) and Giordano (leadership/name value); Copp (C on pace for ~51 points) returned a modest probability conditional pick that ended up being transferred. 2023 was Domi (~67 point pace); Kane's 1st was a modest probability conditional that didn't end up being transferred. 2024 has already seen Flames fans disappointed with the return for Zadorov.

And we're in an era of aggressiveness. The market could decide to pull back to early 00s to mid 10s conservatism as these trades continue to fall flat. Monahan's not sniffing that return 10 years ago.

I don't see a slam dunk here either way. He's nothing special, but he can play a premium position and the rental market is pretty shallow. It's borderline. Such a passionate debate is unusual under those circumstances.

Also, you can take solace, if your team does end up giving it up, that the player the Habs select is unlikely to be a meaningful asset in the future. Just the odds at that point of the draft.

This is insightful and I agree with it.

On the last point, fans and media get excited about draft picks and of course they are critical as they are the life blood of an organization. However, when you look at a single pick, being a late 1st or a 2nd, the odds of picking a top 6F or top 4D likely ranges from about 10%-20%. Fine return for a guy like Monahan who is leaving anyway on a non play off team.

 

[Tuggy]

No kidding. This is insane.

What wild assessment of what he might cost. Even if it is a joke, putting it out there on Twitter for trade hungry hockey fans is just bad judgement.

But the Habs have already got one first round pick for Monahan. That is done.

Is it really that far fetched to think they could get another one for him at the TDL?

Despite what people in here think, there is a very real possibility someone could trade a first round pick for Monahan. Which means the Habs would have got 2 first round picks for Monahan.

It's not set in stone, but it's definitely possible.

 

[Gaud]

he literally missed 3/4 of the year prior. injuries had already massively decreased his value when habs fans were claiming he was worth a 1st. weird I was also just thinking there's a lot of intellectually deficient and dishonest posters in habs threads too.........


"farcical situation" you mean like habs fans thinking they'll get a 1st for Edmundson or Monahan?

Ok to be fair, as many people were adamant that Chiarot would not return a first. It wasn't crazy for habs fan to expect a similar trade for Edmunson at the next deadline. I was one of the ones that thought he would, but my expectations went down when he injured himself right before the deadline. I thought no one would pay a 1st for a guy who had a season ending back injury; too much of a risk. I feel like a lot of fans' expectations went down too at that point.

That being said, I think Monahan gets the value of a 1st (if not a 1st straight up). I consider 2 seconds or a 2nd with a B prospect as equivalent to a 1st. Lekhonen got a 2nd and Barron and he is all effort, sacrifice and positioning. While I dont think Monahan gives a constant effort in making shot blocks, he has those things and a good measure more of hockey IQ, specifically on the offensive end.

To add to it, he is a center and polyvalent in that he can play all FWD positions. Great attitude and demonstrated leadership. Amazing contract. I think the team that picks him up will use him as a 3rd C on defensive missions, with some 2nd PP line minutes. He can sub for top 6 minutes as needed. Finally, it is the TRADE DEADLINE; teams are all looking to add that one piece that they have identifed as missing. How often is that piece a C or a D? Or a defensive C? The options are more limited, so there is a bidding war. Yeah i think Monahan is worth a first (or equivalent) in these conditions.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Give Monahan decent wingers and he will produce 5v5 the guy can play hockey hes just stuck playing with black holes hes been putting more 5v5 points now since rookie Joshua Roy got called up

Obviously Lindholm is plan A for most teams but dont sleep on Sean lots of teams will be interested

 

[MasterMatt25]

Monahan is the only forward outside our first line that i trust on the ice. I hope wherever he goes they do well. He can fit in any system

 

[kyne]

On many nights, Monahan is often the Habs best player even if it isn't necessarily reflected on the score sheet. He's been solid since his arrival in Montreal. Great attitude, great work ethic and playing good hockey. He's a smart, versatile player and a pleasure to watch. Any team who gets him will not regret it.

 

[CDN24]

Some good rentals have gone for less than the (unconditional) 1st round premium in recent years. In 2019, Dzingel (~64 point pace) and Nyquist (~63 point pace) didn't get it; Zuccarello (~66 point pace) returned conditional 1sts that weren't transferred. In 2020, Lehner was a year removed from a Vezina nomination and only returned a 2nd as the base piece. Hall still had some name value in 2021. 2022 was Manson (premium style RHD), Rakell (name value) and Giordano (leadership/name value); Copp (C on pace for ~51 points) returned a modest probability conditional pick that ended up being transferred. 2023 was Domi (~67 point pace); Kane's 1st was a modest probability conditional that didn't end up being transferred. 2024 has already seen Flames fans disappointed with the return for Zadorov.

And we're in an era of aggressiveness. The market could decide to pull back to early 00s to mid 10s conservatism as these trades continue to fall flat. Monahan's not sniffing that return 10 years ago.

I don't see a slam dunk here either way. He's nothing special, but he can play a premium position and the rental market is pretty shallow. It's borderline. Such a passionate debate is unusual under those circumstances.

Also, you can take solace, if your team does end up giving it up, that the player the Habs select is unlikely to be a meaningful asset in the future. Just the odds at that point of the draft.

Dzingel is interesting in that The CBJ overpaid for him significantly. He was in the midst of a career year but did not have 1st round pedigree. What the Sens got may have been better than a first. They Got Duclair who would go on to have a 23G season for the Sens and a 30 goal season for the panthers. they also got 2 2nd round picks.

GMs overpay constantly at the deadline. Det got a 2nd and 3rd for Nyquist but for Tatar the previous year they got a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd.

Rangers did not get a 1st for Zuccarello, but for hayes the same season they got Lemieux, a 1st and a 3rd

GMs overpay each year and usually most end up with buyers remorse

 

[AslanRH]

As stated Monahan gets away with a lot more on a rebuilding team then he would with a contender (Jets or otherwise), playing offense with little expectations on playing good D obviously would help anyone's offensive numbers (playoffs is even far tougher then reg season). Being played on a rebuilding teams #1PP isn't something he would get on any contender team likely so again hurts his output offensively (at the very least his PP1 time would be going way down). Counter to that will be he's playing with better line mates, likely is true if he plays a top 6 role but not necessarily true if he's playing a contenders 3rd line.

Monahan is a lesser option/cheaper option compared to some better options being discussed so I'll give you that, but if a team truly wants to contend and put their best foot forward Monahan isn't the guy you go after, he's the guy you settle on when everyone else is gone or unavailable. Can't imagine any Habs fans would even disagree on that point or at least would acknowledge that's likely a fair point.

From a Jets POV, my hope would be as per the rumors is the Jets are aiming higher then Monahan and I hope they get their guy. Plus maybe add a top 4RHD

I was being a bit facetious, but he really hasn't had a chance in Montreal to show his RD potential.

I figure at some point that argument will be tossed out too in order to sell his value.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

We have to wrap this guy in bubble wrap, deadline is approaching and he makes me nervous....

 

[TS Quint]

What a silly comparison. Domi is a far less complete player than Monahan. There really isn’t much more to say.

Domi is a 70 point centre

 

[TS Quint]

Is that every Habs fan on these boards and twitter??? Did i say he deserved a 1st? I stand by my statement...you are full of it!

This is your big “gotcha!” Powerful weak.

 

[TS Quint]

backtracking eh?? replace "most" with "some" and you will be close to accurate. the problem with habs haters is that the generalization gene is on full throttle. It is always your kinds' downfall! Case closed.

The problem with posters like you is you are not there to disagree with your own fan base when they’re going wild but want to defend the fan base by arguing the semantics of words like most, some and all. But keep ignoring the sentiment of the post and just attack single words thinking you are saving Habs fan base. You are not.