Confirmed with Link: [MOD WARNING post #272] CBJ acquire Provorov for LA first round pick (#22), conditional ‘24 or ‘25 2nd round pick

[Finner]

This is the worst trade Jarmo has made and its not even close. Just paid 1st round pick for dman who doesnt know how to play defence and for offence is same level as Gudbransson. What the fk is this deal?

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

Something that stuck out is some of the discussion about it being a negative that he might have an issue with not being the #1D. We spent 65 games last season wishing that anyone would step up as a possible leader among the D, but had no top pair quality guys and no minute munchers and seemingly no one that wanted it or felt comfortable in that role. I’ll take a little bit of attitude and confidence infused in that group.

This is a legitimate top 4 defenseman, one that has led Philly in ice time every season since he entered the league. So what if he wasn’t successful as a #1? He’s clearly the #2 for this group right now at a $4.725 cap hit. Now go do it again.

I will miss the #22. Probably not the 2025 2nd.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

I don't watch much of the Flyers though I paid more attention when I could see Cam. Provorov has always stood out as a good player on the ice for them. Hearing he is extremely competitive and didn't want to go through a rebuild and butted heads with Torts (now there is a 1st).. and just watching the crunch of Tom Fkg Wilson for about a dozen times is starting to make me warm up to him a little. If he does that even once in a Blue Jacket jersey (sweater), it will be the 1st time that has happened. Hell he is 26 - that is the start of the prime for a defenseman.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Does everyone think that Provorov's numbers just suck just because he was on a sh*tty team that couldn't play defense?

Guess what, he got traded to another sh*tty team that couldn't play defense. I'm not seeing how he greatly improves our ability to play better defense.

 

[CBJ goalie]

This is the worst trade Jarmo has made and its not even close. Just paid 1st round pick for dman who doesnt know how to play defence and for offence is same level as Gudbransson. What the fk is this deal?

Exaggerate much?

 

[ViD]

Does everyone think that Provorov's numbers just suck just because he was on a sh*tty team that couldn't play defense?

Guess what, he got traded to another sh*tty team that couldn't play defense. I'm not seeing how he greatly improves our ability to play better defense.

When we get healthy Werenski, Gudbranson not playing anything more than 3rd line, our young guys mature, we bring in some defensively responsible forwards (hopefully Voronkov), Babcock establishes discipline, it all might not be so bad on the defensive side of things

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

When we get healthy Werenski, Gudbranson not playing anything more than 3rd line, our young guys mature, we bring in some defensively responsible forwards (hopefully Voronkov), Babcock establishes discipline, it all might not be so bad on the defensive side of things

Minus the Babcock part it sounds a lot like what we expected this past season.

 

[majormajor]

So you think the addition of a potential locker room problem is helping establish a right environemnt for the kids to learn in? Along with a potentially problem coach. I'm not sure, It is a parlay that better work.

If our locker room becomes a nightmare because of these moves then we can tar and feather Jarmo. On the surface I don't see it going that badly but these are the types of issues where you have to do your homework and talk to a lot of people with direct experience, so we have to just hope that our FO did all that.

But my point holds at least for the on ice part. Provy is solid and his kid D partner is going to better know where to be on the ice because Provy is in the right spot on the other side. And Babs is going to make that kids job easier because he isn't going to let our forwards cheat and not support. It's largely about getting our guys on the right spots on the ice.

 

[Jyrki]

When we get healthy Werenski, Gudbranson not playing anything more than 3rd line, our young guys mature, we bring in some defensively responsible forwards (hopefully Voronkov), Babcock establishes discipline, it all might not be so bad on the defensive side of things

Ugh I hate being reminded Gudbranson is in this roster. I don't think he can be sheltered with our D corps and that will be a major problem. Guy gets murdered in speed and that's the trend of the game.

 

[BB88]

Why does everyone think it was this or nothing?

The plan is to make better trades that serve as more than a gap closer. 1st+2nd is a lot of value, so you have to do better than an expiring, underperforming asshole.

Provorov isn’t a rental.

& that’s a fair price for a young top4 who could be more than that.

This contract has zero chance at becoming an anchor which is nice as well

 

[BB88]

I liked and wanted Sandin before the trade happened. Don't know what else to say about this.

If you want filler veteran for two years then sign someone like Mikkola or Forbort on a short deal. Gets the same thing done for less. The team will improve regardless of who is 2LD, if development and coaching around the organization are done right.

This trade is just a waste of assets for me. Doesn't improve the odds of winning trophy. Doesn't help young players any more than a cheaper veteran LD. Just 1st+2nd for a troubling personality

There’s no way you can compare at best 3rd pairing Dmen to Provorov.

Mikkola/Forbort in the 2nd pairing means the team will be garbage

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

There’s no way you can compare at best 3rd pairing Dmen to Provorov.

Mikkola/Forbort in the 2nd pairing means the team will be garbage

Provorov is a 2nd pair Dman, Mikkola and Forbort are good 3rd pairing Dmen. That gap isnt as huge as you make it to be. Provorov probably gets you 1 or 2 wins more in a season. Landing at 87 points instead of 90 points is not the difference between the team being garbage and the team being a great success

 

[BB88]

Provorov is a 2nd pair Dman, Mikkola and Forbort are good 3rd pairing Dmen. That gap isnt as huge as you make it to be. Provorov probably gets you 1 or 2 wins more in a season. Landing at 87 points instead of 90 points is not the difference between the team being garbage and the team being a great success

Mikkola& Forbort are Gubranson level players.

Are you seriously trying to suggest fans would have praised Jarmo if he tried to address the defense with another Gubranson signing?
Just as they praised him last year….


& there is a massive difference between Provorov and Mikkola/Forbort, Provorov is not a healthy scratch threat unlike your names

 

[Halberdier]

Two of The Athletic’s writers give Columbus D+ on the trade. SiriusXM analyst rated us coming in 3rd on the trade. But Jarmo always wins trades and the hometown board seems happy. Maybe Prov will cease to suck. I’m just thrilled to know that in the world according to Jarmo our back end with Gud and Prov will lead us to the promise land.

D+? Pretty sure that D comes from priDe. As on paper the trade sounds quite good.

 

[Finner]

D+? Pretty sure that D comes from priDe. As on paper the trade sounds quite good.

D+ is polished grade. We got robbed. 1st round pick and we added more to get under average dman. That is F not D.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Mikkola& Forbort are Gubranson level players.

Are you seriously trying to suggest fans would have praised Jarmo if he tried to address the defense with another Gubranson signing?
Just as they praised him last year….


& there is a massive difference between Provorov and Mikkola/Forbort, Provorov is not a healthy scratch threat unlike your names

Would fans have praised the moves? Hell no. But do you want your GM to make moves to please fans, or to win the cup?

Both of them were stable names at stacked Rangers and Bruins defences. Youre still suggesting theyre under a healthy scratch threat in CBJ defence? Absolutely not.

But that wasn't really my point. I just threw those names out of the hat. There'll be better players available, but I can't predict who they will be. Maybe someone like Demelo is available. He's excellent defensive 2nd pair player who wouldnt cost as much. I'll happily point out all the better moves as the off-season gets going.

 

[NotCommitted]

I know next to nothing about Provorov, other than the pride jersey thing and I remember him being a highly touted young D-man. He's just hitting his prime and the contract works great for the future. Could be a great hockey trade depending on how well he plays, or a bit of an overpay, time will tell. But lots of upside to this trade.

Some concerns as well. I've always thought Jarmo is not very good with people, I might be wrong but he just strikes me that way. So I'm not entirely convinced he has a keen eye for potential issues and this trade and especially the Babcock hire do nothing lessen my concerns... that said I also assume/hope he's spoken with people. Voracek should know Provorov well, I hope Jarmo gave him a call.

Oh for the pride thing... I'm not gonna judge without knowing pretty much anything. Could be nothing. Could also be one stupid tweet away from a disaster.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

I'm done arguing about the subject so I'll just sum up my stance and shut up.

This trade will hurt the team after the 2025-2026 season, and is a bit of an overpayment in general. 25-26 or 26-27 is around the time when the team is supposed to start being good as Laine, Johnny, Werenski are at good age, and prospects are finally getting rolling in the league.

What the trade has done is raised the floor for next two seasons and lowered the ceiling for the time period where the team should be a contender. I believe the odds of winning the cup in next 5 years are now lower than they were before, so I don't like the trade.

Better moves would have been:
* Good long-term solution. Give up more prospects or picks if you have to. (eg. signed Hanifin?)
* Cheaper veteran short-term solution. Doesnt have to be a glorious one. Just a solid defensive Dman (eg. Demelo?)

 

[morehockeystats]

Provorov as an upgrade over Gavrikov, the AAV price is good, but the picks given doubtfully worth it.

 

[JacketsDavid]

We bought low on a guy who is still young and plays a lot of minutes.
At first I thought it was a lot of him (1st and 2nd) but then with the 30% retainage it makes sense.

On the downside: We traded Gavy for Provorov. Gavy was a free agent to be and 2 years of control of Provorov. We knew what we had in Gavy and we are hoping Provorov just had a bad year and not a regression (plus we know all the guys loved Gavy).

 

[DarkandStormy]

“We’ve always been an organization that promotes inclusion and diversity and all those things," Kekalainen said, referring to the Blue Jackets' own promotional inclusion nights. "Hockey is for everyone, but we also respect freedom of opinion and freedom of choice. We’re not an organization that cancels anybody, so long as you’re a law-abiding citizen, and we have a long and good history on promoting all those things. Our organization supports inclusion and diversity, and we’re going to continue to do so.”

They, uh, didn't support freedom of choice for Lefebvre or Rinaldo.

Anyway, Jarmo using some terminology here that makes me think he's a moron, so at least I'm more steadfast in my decision not to financially support this team.

 

[Monk]

I'm not even going to talk about the off ice stuff other than base level stuff. Because frankly, people will never agree. And the conversations aren't worth being had on the internet because one side always has to be the hero and the other the villain. I personally think its just a damn jersey and he should wear it, but as Jarmo said, we live in America and you can have your thoughts and feelings and express them. We're allowed to agree or disagree and that's fine. I'm glad Jarmo is still committed to the Hockey is for Everyone cause and expressed that the organization stands by it too.

Here's my problem with this - specifically the "pride stuff" and not even going into the "other stuff." This isn't a matter of opinion, where there are two sides with valid points of view and they'll just never agree. One "side" is not valid and it's not acceptable in North American society anymore.

Yes, you can have your thoughts and feelings, but the NHL, its teams & HFBoards should have more balls and shut down the expressing of them (when it comes to this subject). It creates opportunity for more of it, it encourages more of it, and just by acquiring the guy it's now happening here on CBJ's boards. The fact that we now have to listen to it, pretend it's "political" and valid and therefore not address it head on, is maddening. The fact that posters can say this might not generate locker room issues (among other things) is crazy to me - they're "keeping it about hockey" but we know what they're saying. It's thinly veiled bullshit and it's wrong. Hockey is for everyone. HFBoards is for everyone.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

One "side" is not valid and it's not acceptable in North American society anymore.

i wholeheartedly agree with this but think it's worth noting that he comes from a country/culture with a much different (and deeply-ingrained) position, which has been codified in their laws. he's also a professional athlete, with a level of wealth that provides the means to insulate himself and not have his views challenged.

on a one-to-one level, i don't think provorov expressing that abhorrent set of values is the same as someone like eric staal or james reimer, who were born and raised in canada and have enough lived experience in this culture that they should've been challenged on these views enough by now.

that said, on a macro level… provorov did start the trend that enabled the staals to also sit out. it's caused enormous pain for LGBT+ fans, and any validity to the geopolitical/cultural differences angle here doesn't do anything to alleviate that.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

They, uh, didn't support freedom of choice for Lefebvre or Rinaldo.

lefevbre and rinaldo made choices that violated the league's health and safety bylaws for the covid season. the vaccine was a requirement to be on the bench.

it's like a player feeling strongly that he shouldn't be forced to wear skates – if they're not comfortable with it, they're unable to do their duties and fulfill their contract.

 

[Viqsi]

Lookit me, I got quoted.

Some LGBTQ+ fans frustrated with Columbus Blue Jackets' trade acquisition of Ivan Provorov

'I’ve got some serious thinking to do about my season tickets after this move,' one Twitter user said of Columbus Blue Jackets acquiring Ivan Provorov

www.dispatch.com