Confirmed with Link: [MOD WARNING post #272] CBJ acquire Provorov for LA first round pick (#22), conditional ‘24 or ‘25 2nd round pick

[Sdrawkcab321]

Christ, read the thread my guy.

I don’t really have time to go and read every post. But from what I saw that’s pretty much it. Which has nothing to do with the locker room.

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Well, hopefully Mateychuk is fully ready to replace him in 2 years

Hopefully so, but at that point you have accompliced nothing with this trade.

Instead by doing nothing you would have Sale, But or Musty on ELC. Or by better asset management you would have Sandin as a trade piece or in the roster.

Im tired of Jarmo is tunnelvisioning on making the playoffs asap when he the goal should be lifting a trophy.

 

[stevo61]

Hopefully so, but at that point you have accompliced nothing with this trade.

Instead by doing nothing you would have Sale, But or Musty on ELC. Or by better asset management you would have Sandin as a trade piece or in the roster.

Im tired of Jarmo is tunnelvisioning on making the playoffs asap when he the goal should be lifting a trophy.

So lets pretend Mateychuk is ready in 2 years, who covers until then? Should we just continue aimlessly until prospects come in and play them all at once hoping for the best? If they feel the need to trade Provorov later they can retain his salary to dirt cheap and get other assets

 

[ViD]

 

[VT]

And wouldn't it be better to wait and see how he behaves in Columbus?

 

[stevo61]

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

I don’t really have time to go and read every post. But from what I saw that’s pretty much it. Which has nothing to do with the locker room.

Read Rich Nixon's post here. Doesn't sound like it was a one-off but maybe a change of scenery helps, we'll see.

 

[DougKnowsBest]

Social media ai is a horrible nhl gm.


Not gonna lie. I’m kind of into the dark jarmo moves

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

So lets pretend Mateychuk is ready in 2 years, who covers until then? Should we just continue aimlessly until prospects come in and play them all at once hoping for the best? If they feel the need to trade Provorov later they can retain his salary to dirt cheap and get other assets

As I said in another comment, Sandin was available at deadline for a late 1st. That was the good trade to make. Cheaper, better, younger and team-controlled.

Didnt give shit to Jarmo back then, because we didnt know whether there was a better option in his pocket. Clearly not.

 

[Viqsi]

Other than not supporting pride what’s his locker room issues? Because I seriously doubt players care about that.

Except for the part where a lot of them have made it clear that they do? We had a Flyers fan stop by and discuss some of that already.

 

[stevo61]

As I said in another comment, Sandin was available at deadline for a late 1st. That was the good trade to make. Cheaper, better, younger and team-controlled.

Didnt give shit to Jarmo back then, because we didnt know whether there was a better option in his pocket. Clearly not.

We dont know if Sandin is better, he had a bit of an offensive pop in Washington with every oppurtunity to do so. The highest high we've seen from Provorov is far higher though. Could also see a major pop in a new situation

 

[Viqsi]

As I said in another comment, Sandin was available at deadline for a late 1st. That was the good trade to make. Cheaper, better, younger and team-controlled.

Not as experienced, less of a track record, therefore arguably not any more suitable than the guys we already have. The idea wasn't to get Some Guy; it was to get someone established.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Social media ai is a horrible nhl gm.


Not gonna lie. I’m kind of into the dark jarmo moves

If nothing else I like this term.

Dark Jarmo

Gotta embrace our dark side now...

 

[Viqsi]

If nothing else I like this term.

Dark Jarmo

Gotta embrace our dark side now...

Well, we were already describing him as a Bond villian when he first showed up, so there's precedent...

 

[BB88]

Hopefully so, but at that point you have accompliced nothing with this trade.

Instead by doing nothing you would have Sale, But or Musty on ELC. Or by better asset management you would have Sandin as a trade piece or in the roster.

Im tired of Jarmo is tunnelvisioning on making the playoffs asap when he the goal should be lifting a trophy.

?

So the plan is to throw the kids into top4 and hope for a miracle?

This trade allows Columbus to develop Svozil& Mateychuk without rushing them, while improving the current NHL roster trying to avoid being a basement level team for too long

 

[DougKnowsBest]

love this jarmo quote.

“The great thing about America, for me, is that you always have freedom of choice, freedom of opinion and freedom of speech. We’ve always been an organization that promotes diversity and inclusion, and we’re going to keep doing that.”

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

?

So the plan is to throw the kids into top4 and hope for a miracle?

This trade allows Columbus to develop Svozil& Mateychuk without rushing them, while improving the current NHL roster trying to avoid being a basement level team for too long

Why does everyone think it was this or nothing?

The plan is to make better trades that serve as more than a gap closer. 1st+2nd is a lot of value, so you have to do better than an expiring, underperforming asshole.

 

[majormajor]

He has more panache than Gavrikov but it looks like his total offensive contribution is pretty similar?

As I said in another comment, Sandin was available at deadline for a late 1st. That was the good trade to make. Cheaper, better, younger and team-controlled.

Didnt give shit to Jarmo back then, because we didnt know whether there was a better option in his pocket. Clearly not.

Let's not use hindsight bias here. Sandin was the kid that the Leafs didn't want on their playoff team.

He's like another Boqvist.

Our most valuable young pieces are KJ, Jiricek, and Carlsson/3OA. They're on the team this Fall or at least by the next one. The priority has to be on putting them in positions to succeed, so their development doesn't go sideways. They need veteran insulation, not more kid linemates. We need to improve now in order to best improve over the long run.

 

[Stumble40]

Flyers fan/ STH here.
You guys are getting a ROCK solid defenseman. Never takes a shift off, never misses a game. Work ethic is unparalleled , stories of his off-season regimen are legendary.. Blocks shots, contributes offensively, eats Big minutes.
Was my favorite player on the team for a while. I have 2 provy jerseys (one signed) and a game used stick..
Now the bad,
He has gotten the label around here as being too partner dependent. He was great with Ghost and Niskanen but struggles with lesser partners. People also really don’t like the way he runs aPP. Despite piling up points he can be indecisive with the puck with the man advantage and seems to fumble the puck allot when trying to keep it in the zone. His attitude has been an issue . There’s the pride night thing ,and he had a real attitude with reporters asking him about how he thought the season went at exit interviews last year. Speculation is he doesn’t take criticism well and maybe wasn’t the most popular guy with his teammates. At the end of the day I would be real salty about letting him go if I didn’t believe he really needed a scenery change and also we are rebuilding and it just makes sense.

 

[koteka]

I think this is a bad trade.

I would much rather have the pick and get a guy like Honzek, But, Musty, or Simashev.

I don’t think Provorov is the kind of D we need.

I expect we’ll trade a retained Provorov at the 2025 deadline and hopefully recoup the first, so there is that to look forward to.

I am fully on the fire Jarmo and JD train now. They are hurting the future to try to make a short run gain that has no chance of being a legit Cup run.

The best part about this trade is it might keep the front office from doing something even stupider.

 

[majormajor]

He has gotten the label around here as being too partner dependent. He was great with Ghost and Niskanen but struggles with lesser partners.

Not sure if you've looked at our RD but we don't have a reassuring presence to help Provorov. The scary thing is we're asking him to help some very inexperienced RD.

I think this is a bad trade.

I would much rather have the pick and get a guy like Honzek, But, Musty, or Simashev.

I don’t think Provorov is the kind of D we need.

I expect we’ll trade a retained Provorov at the 2025 deadline and hopefully recoup the first, so there is that to look forward to.

I am fully on the fire Jarmo and JD train now. They are hurting the future to try to make a short run gain that has no chance of being a legit Cup run.

The best part about this trade is it might keep the front office from doing something even stupider.

I don't read this is as loading up for a cup run, Jarmo ain't that dumb. I read it as going for competitiveness so our future cup run core (the kids) can learn in the right environment. And win games along the way.

A rebuild that is purely driven by the draft picks would take a terribly long time (5 years? 10 years?), and be largely self- defeating.

 

[GoJackets1]

I think this is a bad trade.

I would much rather have the pick and get a guy like Honzek, But, Musty, or Simashev.

I don’t think Provorov is the kind of D we need.

I expect we’ll trade a retained Provorov at the 2025 deadline and hopefully recoup the first, so there is that to look forward to.

I am fully on the fire Jarmo and JD train now. They are hurting the future to try to make a short run gain that has no chance of being a legit Cup run.

The best part about this trade is it might keep the front office from doing something even stupider.

I think the idea that this trade is shortsighted is incredibly misplaced.

I also think that Provorov is exactly the kind of D we need on the 2nd pair.

I would also rather have Provorov than have a late pick that has a chance to turn into a player of Provorov’s caliber a few years down the line. We already have enough prospects, and feel that shiny new toy syndrome is really affecting our view of guys likely to be available at 22.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Conflicting day, and start to the offseason in my eyes.

I'm not even going to talk about the off ice stuff other than base level stuff. Because frankly, people will never agree. And the conversations aren't worth being had on the internet because one side always has to be the hero and the other the villain. I personally think its just a damn jersey and he should wear it, but as Jarmo said, we live in America and you can have your thoughts and feelings and express them. We're allowed to agree or disagree and that's fine. I'm glad Jarmo is still committed to the Hockey is for Everyone cause and expressed that the organization stands by it too.

That being said, this trade is a mixed bag. Someone in here said that they wanted Provorov in 2015, and I am right there with them. He was my #2 target behind Hanifin that year. Obviously we got Werenski and that worked out very well, so no complaints, but Provorov has been a roller coaster so far in his career.

I think I'd rather have Provorov than Gavrikov but the reports that Gavrikov is only searching for a 2-3 year deal from LA when he wanted 7-8 from us are kinda weird.

I think Provorov is a product of his teams a little bit. When the Flyers were good, he was good. When they weren't, he wasn't. I think he clearly has to be the 2nd option on his pairing or on his team and can't carry the load. Luckily for him, he doesn't have to here. I think its a good marriage. I think a change of scenery will do him well, and I think Babcock's system will be really good for him.

I do not agree with people who think he's a 2 year stopgap and wait for Mateychuk or Svozil. And if the CBJ see it that way, then this trade was not worth it. I wouldn't trade a first and second round pick for a 2 year player.

I've also seen some people crying on twitter about how we're not rebuilding the right way. Which makes me laugh because the only people calling this a rebuild are the fans. Clearly Jarmo doesn't think this team is as bad as they've played the past two years. Whether or not that is true remains to be seen but Jarmo is going to swing hard to help this roster.

When this trade was initially breaking I expected to trade 22nd pick. I thought the price was a bit steep, but I think its pretty close to fair value. Adding in the 2nd makes it an overpay IMO, but its not a big deal because 2nd round picks are easy to acquire and we get to pick which year it is. I was very upset at first when I thought it was 34th overall though, that would have been ridiculous.

 

[Ice9]

Not sure if you've looked at our RD but we don't have a reassuring presence to help Provorov. The scary thing is we're asking him to help some very inexperienced RD.

Im hoping this exact thing becomes a tool to help grow the young man. "Listen, you're an experienced vet now Ivan. We need you to help teach and nurture this d corps."

I had a guy work for me that absolutely nobody wanted. When I approached him in that manner I could get him to go through walls for me.

I did say, "I'm hoping"...

 

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Let's not use hindsight bias here. Sandin was the kid that the Leafs didn't want on their playoff team.

He's like another Boqvist.

Our most valuable young pieces are KJ, Jiricek, and Carlsson/3OA. They're on the team this Fall or at least by the next one. The priority has to be on putting them in positions to succeed, so their development doesn't go sideways. They need veteran insulation, not more kid linemates. We need to improve now in order to best improve over the long run.

I liked and wanted Sandin before the trade happened. Don't know what else to say about this.

If you want filler veteran for two years then sign someone like Mikkola or Forbort on a short deal. Gets the same thing done for less. The team will improve regardless of who is 2LD, if development and coaching around the organization are done right.

This trade is just a waste of assets for me. Doesn't improve the odds of winning trophy. Doesn't help young players any more than a cheaper veteran LD. Just 1st+2nd for a troubling personality