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Confirmed with Link: [MOD WARNING post #272] CBJ acquire Provorov for LA first round pick (#22), conditional ‘24 or ‘25 2nd round pick
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Hockey is for everyone isn't just about the people that play the game. It also includes the people that work for the team also.
During the Monsters Pride Night they showed interviews of people throughout the organiztion who celebrated Pride. Just because you don't play the game doesn't mean you're not part of it. I am sure there are people all through the Columbus organization that appreciate Pride Night.
During the Monsters Pride Night they showed interviews of people throughout the organiztion who celebrated Pride. Just because you don't play the game doesn't mean you're not part of it. I am sure there are people all through the Columbus organization that appreciate Pride Night.
cbjthrowaway
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unironically, yesThe easiest way to improve the quality of HFB posts is to make the logo rainbow colors
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Viqsi
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I don't think we have enough moderators for that.The easiest way to improve the quality of HFB posts is to make the logo rainbow colors
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Naturally and inevitably this thread has gone off the rails.
Let’s put this, as much as possible, to how Provorov can or won’t help us on the ice. The off ice stuff has been spoken for on all sides. It just turns political, which this is not the forum for.
Let’s put this, as much as possible, to how Provorov can or won’t help us on the ice. The off ice stuff has been spoken for on all sides. It just turns political, which this is not the forum for.
Viqsi
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Ice9
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Babcock definitely has ALL the experience he needs to handle that but apparently only about 90% of the panache. Hoping he's able to keep that 10% under control...
This is the provorov we need. We need Provorov from his second year in the league. 150 hits, 20 goals 20 assists.
koteka
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Provorov plays a lot of games and eats a lot of minutes. He is not a big offensive threat, and his defensive ability seems to depend on his partners, how good his team is, etc. Even though he had a much, much higher draft position, he sounds essentially like a Savard or a Gavrikov. Because of retention he is now paid more in the range that he deserves -- $4.7 million for the next two years. If we retain on him in 2025, he will likely bring a return like Savard and Gavrikov.
So it could be the case that we get two seasons to let the left D develop and then flip him for something similar to what we paid for him. If he isn’t a distraction, and continues to be a Savard/Gavi type, I guess I can accept this.
My question is then what. I still see this as a stop gap move. If we are a borderline playoff team in 2025, I don’t think you can risk letting him walk for nothing. So does it look like we are giving up on the playoffs if we move him for a first? What does that do to the team? I don’t think you give him a long extension in the dollar range he will be seeking which I assume is higher than the $8.6 million he will be earning in 2024-25. So what happens?
So it could be the case that we get two seasons to let the left D develop and then flip him for something similar to what we paid for him. If he isn’t a distraction, and continues to be a Savard/Gavi type, I guess I can accept this.
My question is then what. I still see this as a stop gap move. If we are a borderline playoff team in 2025, I don’t think you can risk letting him walk for nothing. So does it look like we are giving up on the playoffs if we move him for a first? What does that do to the team? I don’t think you give him a long extension in the dollar range he will be seeking which I assume is higher than the $8.6 million he will be earning in 2024-25. So what happens?
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fans are already kinda casting him as 'the shutdown guy' but imo there's realistically a lot more nuance to it. yeah, he skates well and hits like a freight train, but he's also a pretty good puck mover and has a ton of skill.
the jackets love modern defensemen who activate a ton. he can play that game, too – it's just not as much a part of his game as it is with some others (i.e. werenski). how much of that he'll be asked to do probably depends on his partner.
if he's with boqvist, he's probably more of the 'steady partner' type guy. if it's jiricek, he's probably going to activate a bit more until jiricek gets more comfortable jumping into the rush.
the good news is that he's talented enough to both. the ideal partner for a puck-mover who jumps in the rush isn't a big, lumbering 'shutdown' guy – it's a fleet footed guy who is sturdy but also brings skill, which is what he is.
he'll get big minutes, but likely easier matchups and a more talented partenr than what he had this season in philly.
personally, i'd make him the first defenseman out there in overtime. not a fan of the way werenski plays 3v3.
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cbjthrowaway
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my expectation is:
1. the hayes stuff still happens, but with retention and a minimal return (something like roslovic + bemstrom)
2. one big surprise 'win now' move that people aren't predicting because it doesn't align with the team's perceived immediate needs (i.e. they turn some of their young guys into another impact winger) which is met with confusion and complaints initially that turns to excitement when people see the lines in training camp
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No they weren’t.
Forbort was Bostons worst Dman and Mikkola a healthy scratch threat.
This board has been crying 2 years about the defense and calling Jarmo to be fired for not trying to address that.
Provorov isn’t an all in move. It can be a great longterm add or bridge for Mateychuk and Svozil. While they kept all their prospects and the 3rd overall pick.
His contract is far more valuable than any contract you’ll find from the UFA market, it has zero anchor potential.
BB88
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Remember what those stats said about Gavrikov?
Absolutely no one thinks Provorov is a 3rd pair Dman
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FWIW here are cam charron's thoughts on the provorov trade.
worth sharing because he's like the only analytics writer who actually has analytics experience in an NHL front office.
the whole thing is good and reasonable but here's a specific callout:
worth sharing because he's like the only analytics writer who actually has analytics experience in an NHL front office.
the whole thing is good and reasonable but here's a specific callout:
MissADD
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Looks like I missed a lot of fun. When it comes to Provorov, we don't know what will happen, the change of scenery may be good for him, he may mesh well with Babcock, the less responsibility playing behind Z may result in better play. None of that may happen and he could be crap. The only thing I can say for sure is that he is better than most of the guys who played on D toward the end of the season.
And? He's been relied on as the minute munching Dman with not a lot of help around him. He should be able to manage his minutes a lot better here.
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summer tooth
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If it's true Provorov can carry the puck, seems like a great move considering Werenski's been a bit prone to injury, and Boqvist looked a bit young at times when he got stuck in that role 2 years ago. Now you have 3-4 guys who can fill that role - very nice
Viqsi
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I'm going to go ahead and make it official: the conversation w/r/t Provorov's choices on Pride Night is now done. We're just going in circles at this point.
Long Live Lyle
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I think that’s more fair to say if a guy is in his 30s or something. I think it’s more likely to think Provorov could gain it back (or, perhaps, he’s never actually lost “it”, but appeared to have due to team/situational circumstances).
