OT: MLB Thread XXIX: Marcus Stroman is a.....Met???

[nyr2k2]

Lol Yankees fans are “complainers” because they are talking about what is pretty much proven fact at this point.

When Toronto asks for Garcia as the piece that has to come back for Stroman, and then goes and accepts that less the market value offer from the Mets it only validates what Yankees fans are frustrated about.

Kay was great in AA. So was Garcia who is 4 years younger. Yankees system is better and yet it was Garcia or bust for Stroman.

But hey Yankees fans are just “complainers”...

Do you think trading within the division had anything to do with it for Toronto? Knowing you'll have to face that guy repeatedly over the next however many years?

 

[Machinehead]

MLB revenue is a lot higher it’s all relative. And If the nhl had no cap theyd pay crappy players more too

They do anyway and just have a work stoppage literally every time the CBA is up.

 

[GoAwayGiannone]

Do you think trading within the division had anything to do with it for Toronto? Knowing you'll have to face that guy repeatedly over the next however many years?

Nawwww, that would make too much sense, its everyone out to get the Yankees.

 

[bleedblue94]

This is extremely not comparable though.

The Yankees got a top prospect for arguably the best closer in the game. Yes they got a couple other prospects as well, but best closer in the game. But what Gleyber playing at the Major League level? Did he come over and play that year? Maybe if he did not get hurt he might have seen some games toward the end of the year.

What about for Andrew Miller? Sheffield and Frazier were top prospects, but I dont recall either being the Indians best prospects, let alone being major league ready at that time.

Yet we sit here and teams are requesting a young all star off the major league roster and the yankees best prospects in the system, and for what? For a 2/3 tweener starter? Or a #2 who has been inconsistent all year?

Sorry, its not comparable at all. Not even close.

You literally compared the Mets ASK to what the Yankees GOT, when in the post you quoted I said the end result is usually between the weak initial offer and the outrageous initial asking price. You just compared apples to tofu

 

[RGY]

You literally compared the Mets ASK to what the Yankees GOT, when I'm the post you quoted i i said the end result is usually between the weak offers and the outrageous asking price. You just compared apples to tofu

I see no reason to bring up what Cashman got if you want to discuss teams asking for Gleyber f***ing Torres who is already in the Major Leagues as an everyday starter and all star. Its not comparable because Cashman did not get a player who was 22 years old and already in the Major Leagues and he had arguably better and more valuable pieces than the SP on the market right now.

I dont see what is hard to comprehend there

 

[RGY]

Do you think trading within the division had anything to do with it for Toronto? Knowing you'll have to face that guy repeatedly over the next however many years?

I know it had something to do with it.

But its funny they just made a trade last year. Its been said they are sour over the return they got for Happ and that has something to do with it. But if there were better offers, wouldnt they have taken one of those offers then? Over taking the one from their division rival?

Whats more frustrating is hearing and reading what is circulating today and that is the Jays asked for Garcia, Yanks said no, and they never came back around. Didnt give them a chance to match or one up the Mets offer which they absolutely could have.

Welp good for the Jays. Take the lesser value of prospects. Its organizations like those that never win. I’ll never have to worry about them with that management group in place.

Good for the Mets, they got Stroman on the cheap. But why? Do they really think they are coming back this year? So if not, then you traded for one year of him? In a very tough NL East that wont get any easier with the Braves and Phillies on the rise. Nationals clearly still a tough out. And this with all the holes the Mets have. So then youll trade Stroman at the deadline and get what back as a rental who is a #3 starter?

Its fine the Yankees, will make a move. Stroman was seemingly a good fit given his personality and compete level. Not the end of the world. Moving on to the next trade target. Got two days left.

 

[bleedblue94]

I see no reason to bring up what Cashman got if you want to discuss teams asking for Gleyber ****ing Torres who is already in the Major Leagues as an everyday starter and all star. Its not comparable because Cashman did not get a player who was 22 years old and already in the Major Leagues and he had arguably better and more valuable pieces than the SP on the market right now.

I dont see what is hard to comprehend there

Way to skip off the point. You're in complete hyperbola here trying to make this about Torres when all that's been said is teams always ask for a ridiculous amount at the start. The Mets asking for paddock or Mejia in a Thor deal is comparable but you won't reference that, even though that has been reported.

The Yankees don't need you to defend them from the rest of the big bad MLB, they aren't out to get them...

 

[RGY]

Way to skip off the point. You're in complete hyperbola here trying to make this about Torres when all that's been said is teams always ask for a ridiculous amount at the start. The Mets asking for paddock or Mejia in a Thor deal is comparable but you won't reference that, even though that has been reported.

The Yankees don't need you to defend them from the rest of the big bad MLB, they aren't out to get them...

Hmm i think you meant to use hyperbole* here but hey whatever word you think you need to use to sound clever to get your point across...

I really dont care what the Mets unrealistic ask was back before the season started. Here we are in July and teams are making move. Youre the one who brought up with Cashman got in 2016. I simply refuted that by saying its not comparable. He got solid PROSPECTS for Grade A closers.

Actually forget it, no use explaining the difference a third time.

 

[Cassano]

Not a big Frazier fan, but is Ray really any better than any of our top 4 starters? Seems like the Lance Lynn trade of last season

 

[bleedblue94]

Hmm i think you meant to use hyperbole* here but hey whatever word you think you need to use to sound clever to get your point across...

I really dont care what the Mets unrealistic ask was back before the season started. Here we are in July and teams are making move. Youre the one who brought up with Cashman got in 2016. I simply refuted that by saying its not comparable. He got solid PROSPECTS for Grade A closers.

Actually forget it, no use explaining the difference a third time.

Really, you have to try to be petty and try to insult me bc I mis-typed one letter in a response? Do you feel better about life for a minute?

And at the end of the day the mets will get solid PROSPECTS in their deal for thor if they trade him. They won't get elite young MLB players. As you said after three times it's not repeating because you're literally arguing against something you created and not against what I actually said.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Do you think trading within the division had anything to do with it for Toronto? Knowing you'll have to face that guy repeatedly over the next however many years?

Ask Neal Huntington that. He wanted Torres or Andujar for Cole and then traded him to Houston for a flaming pile of dog shit.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Bleh.

 

[nyr2k2]

Ask Neal Huntington that. He wanted Torres or Andujar for Cole and then traded him to Houston for a flaming pile of dog ****.

IDK about the Cole situation which seems to constantly eat at Yankees fans, so I won't try to speculate there.

Any situation regarding making intradivision trades, or trades with geographic rivals, it's always going to be a premium ask. I mean the dumb-ass Mets wouldn't even entertain the idea of trading within the division or to the Yankess until, evidently, just recently. So, an over-ask on Stroman from TOR to NYY, I get. It sucks, but it is what it is.

The reality is, when you have a team loaded with All Star-caliber players at every position, and a farm system that has ranged from excellent to pretty good, teams are going to come in asking for the moon because they see the wealth of talent you have at your disposal. And if you don't want to give any of it up, or only the lesser pieces and not ML talent or really high-end minor league talent, teams will go elsewhere and negotiate. And eventually they'll settle for less than what they were reportedly asking from the Yankees, which is irrelevant because they knew they were never going to get their initial ask. What they expected to actually get from the Yankees is probably pretty close in line with what they end up getting elsewhere.

When the Sox got Sale, they gave up super-prospect Moncada, who people likened to a faster Cano, Kopech, who people compared to a young Thor, Basabe, a CFer with speed, defense, and pop (all in the Sox Top 10), and then a possible back-end reliever. They gave up some premium talent from their farm system, particularly Moncada who had legit potential to be a f***ing stud (which he is now showing). Sometimes you just gotta choke it down and let go of more than you want if you really want to get the guy to push you over the top.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Not a big Frazier fan, but is Ray really any better than any of our top 4 starters? Seems like the Lance Lynn trade of last season

This is exactly the kind of deal that I expect from Cashman.

 

[RGY]

This is exactly the kind of deal that I expect from Cashman.

Its unfortunate Greinke wouldnt waive because he is exactly the front end guy we need.

But if they get Ray and Bradley I am cool with it as long as they are still pushing for Bauer/Syndergaard. And that would involve them not overpaying for Ray/Bradley so they still have pieces for the big move

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Its unfortunate Greinke wouldnt waive because he is exactly the front end guy we need.

But if they get Ray and Bradley I am cool with it as long as they are still pushing for Bauer/Syndergaard. And that would involve them not overpaying for Ray/Bradley so they still have pieces for the big move

They won’t push for Greinke regardless

 

[LeetchisGod]

Its unfortunate Greinke wouldnt waive because he is exactly the front end guy we need.

But if they get Ray and Bradley I am cool with it as long as they are still pushing for Bauer/Syndergaard. And that would involve them not overpaying for Ray/Bradley so they still have pieces for the big move

Syndergaard is a pipe dream. The Mets aren't trading him to us. I think he's overrated anyway.

 

[Bob Richards]

 

[RGY]

 

[JimmyG89]

MLB.com 2016 Prospect Watch

Yankees got the #15, #17, and #78 prospects in return for a rental Chapman and Miller. They got #17 alone for 3 months of Chapman.

Now, the Yankees won't deal the #66 prospect when it comes to getting a starter, that they need and would sit at either #2 or #3 on their team, and they would have him for multiple playoffs.

Yeah, the Yankees are paying that Yankee tax alright.

Blue Jays are trying to add pieces that align with this core group of position players they have called up. Getting a A ball pitcher as a primary piece (that's what the Yankees have behind Garcia that teams are interested in) isn't going to entice the Blue Jays. Now, they got someone who will pitch for them either this season or next season, and a highly touted (just a 2nd round pick) A ball pitcher.

If they want anything more than a rental and the team is looking for a pitching prospect, Garcia is going to be the ask unless you're getting a #4 or #5.

 

[RGY]

 

[Cassano]

MLB.com 2016 Prospect Watch

Yankees got the #15, #17, and #78 prospects in return for a rental Chapman and Miller. They got #17 alone for 3 months of Chapman.

Now, the Yankees won't deal the #66 prospect when it comes to getting a starter, that they need and would sit at either #2 or #3 on their team, and they would have him for multiple playoffs.

Yeah, the Yankees are paying that Yankee tax alright.

Blue Jays are trying to add pieces that align with this core group of position players they have called up. Getting a A ball pitcher as a primary piece (that's what the Yankees have behind Garcia that teams are interested in) isn't going to entice the Blue Jays. Now, they got someone who will pitch for them either this season or next season, and a highly touted (just a 2nd round pick) A ball pitcher.

If they want anything more than a rental and the team is looking for a pitching prospect, Garcia is going to be the ask unless you're getting a #4 or #5.

I would've traded Garcia for Syndergaard or Stroman yesterday.

 

[RGY]

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Absolutely I'd pay Garcia for Syndergaard. Not Stroman.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I say this as a Yanks fan, I don't think they should have offered Garcia, and if the Jays were dead set on starting pitchers, I don't see a guy close enough to the majors, like Kay is, who dominated double A the Yanks could have offered.

Loaisiga is always hurt, Abreu just got hurt last week. Gil just got to high A and Schmidt is in high A.

This is a good post that people should keep in mind for context as the Yankees go for a SP.