OT: MLB Thread XXIX: Marcus Stroman is a.....Met???
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Bob Richards
Mr. Mojo Risin'
East Coast Bias
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Literally reminded of Spaulding Smails
“I want a hamburger... no, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake...”
“I want a hamburger... no, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake...”
This is an extremely unrealistic ask. Extremely unrealistic.
Youre not getting Paddack, Urias, and Reyes or Renfroe for Syndergaard.
Youre not going to pick apart the Padres major league roster for one Starter who albeit has had a solid career but has a ton of question marks this year to go along with health concerns.
Hey I get over valuing your own players but sorry thats not how this works.
LouJersey
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I never said they would get it...Not dealing him for a bunch of maybes was my point. Especially w the rumor they aren't even offering their top two pitching prospects.
Oh you mean like the Mets just did for Stroman...
And yet the Mets are the ones saying Garcia and others would not be enough for Syndergaard.
LouJersey
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How about complete morons.
That is the type of nonsense that keeps in organization in mediocrity. As I have said many times, they deserve what they get.
Yankees are willing to offer more than they paid for Stroman. Way more. But its not enough.
Mickey Mouse organization top to bottom.
LouJersey
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Cashman? 100% does.
If we're talking about fanbases? I don't think anyone overrates their own prospects as much as Mets fans do. Maybe not on here, but in general.
I don't think there's a fanbase in any sport that doesn't overrate their prospects.
Exactly.
And I dont think any Yankee fan here talks about their prospects in a manner that deviates from their knowledge solely being based on information provided by the industry sources that cover the farm systems. Those are the people that have raved about the Yankees system. Now of course the Yankees system is not what it was 2 years ago but it still highly regarded throughout the league. A lot of those sources like the arms in the system. So i dont think its us at all.
I think Garcia and Florial is a more than fair offer for Noah. Maybe you throw in a lower level prospect who has boom potential but needs more time and isnt as close to the Major Leagues. I would offer Frazier, who I love, but dont think the Mets in particular will want him because of his defense in combination with their existent defensive woes.
But the Mets wont take that offer. They will want someone who can play tomorrow for them. And thats just unrealistic. I dont see the Padres doing that either. The Padres have worked hard to build up their farm system. And not just worked hard, but long. Its taken them awhile to get to their organization to this point. So I dont think Mets should expect some haul that deem the clear cut winners in any trade.
LouJersey
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The only people who seem to overrate the Mets prospects are the media who go nuts when the Mets deal any of them, a week after calling their prospect base weak...I trust Minaya, Banner and Baird. Turns out Alderson wasn't as bad as we thought maybe as well, even though he was going to trade DeGrom for Shoppach
LouJersey
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Which is why I think Frazier is a better piece. You know his bat is more than Major League proven. But again problem would be who is playing CF for them?
Florial has 5-Tool potential but has had some bad luck with injuries. It depends on the patience of the Mets organization, which I think they have none of. Garcia, Florial, and another piece fills positional needs for them, among the others they have
SA16
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Every team overrates all their prospects considering almost all of them put like their top five as untouchables for anyone.
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This is a bad hockey team.
LouJersey
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Frazier is a non-starter for me based on how he has handled the media. It's not like he'd be getting away from that swarm switching teams in the same city. There really is no difference in the Mets beat reporters and the Yankees, especially with the overlap coverage from larger media entities.
He can play and is a MLB player right now, but those issues, along with his defensive issues, are a no go for me. I'd want an Archer type return for Noah. Two + prospects, one of which is a CF. The receiving team would get Syndergaard for 3 playoff runs before losing his rights, but I would think they would look to extend him long term after the commitment they are making. Archer was 4 years, but Syndergaard is younger and has better stuff.
Atlanta has the CF prospects to get it done, but I have a hard time seeing the Mets send him there. Feels much more like an offseason move. Will lower the value a little because of one less playoff run and an open market of free agent starters.
Maybe Wheeler can get them the CF prospect they need and can move from there without that as a piece needed in return.
He can play and is a MLB player right now, but those issues, along with his defensive issues, are a no go for me. I'd want an Archer type return for Noah. Two + prospects, one of which is a CF. The receiving team would get Syndergaard for 3 playoff runs before losing his rights, but I would think they would look to extend him long term after the commitment they are making. Archer was 4 years, but Syndergaard is younger and has better stuff.
Atlanta has the CF prospects to get it done, but I have a hard time seeing the Mets send him there. Feels much more like an offseason move. Will lower the value a little because of one less playoff run and an open market of free agent starters.
Maybe Wheeler can get them the CF prospect they need and can move from there without that as a piece needed in return.
East Coast Bias
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I would normally have the same stance, but the Yankees have backed themselves into a corner here. Garcia should only be moved in a package for a #1. However, here we are on July 29th and the starting staff is a real problem. To me its a big risk with Syndergaard. You can talk all about his stuff, his past success, and the team control, but the fact is he has not been good this year. If that continues and he doesnt turn it around to be a true #2 then we have just sold extremely low on Garcia’s value while likely also not winning a championship.
But again, the Yanks need an SP.
I think they can get Bauer without giving up Garcia. I would focus on Bauer right now, get him, then circle back to the Mets about Syndergaard after the dust settles on the Bauer trade and we know what prospects we have available
This teams are just flat out comical.
There are no true Aces on the market. A lot of 2/3 tweener starters. And yet these teams think they will get a 22 year old All Star Second Basemen. Where is the precedent for that type of ask? Again for a 2/3 tweener SP?
Lol MLB Lol. Piss off.
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