OT: MLB Thread XXIX: Marcus Stroman is a.....Met???

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

 

[BKIslandersFan]

The Yankees firing Cashman is not an option.

It's like Bayern firing Guardiola for not winning the CL and replacing him with Ancelotti. A clear downgrade.

Yes he didn't win the big prize, but he rebuilt our old ass team in 2 seasons. This while being competitive every year.

Bruh this team is never winning anything with Cashman never being able to land any major league starters.

 

[LouJersey]

Buskakas sucks this year, the other pitcher just had Tommy John and Beer is pretty much a DH..Houston will just sign someone else next year or trade for them

 

[Cassano]

My issue is the off-season. Paxton was the right risk to take, but they needed to add another guy. Ownership cheaped out on Corbin and then flirted with Keuchel only to see the small market Atlanta Braves outbid us. Revenues keep rising while Yankee payroll stays the same. It's a disgrace.

Thankfully Rays and Red Socks couldn't secure a trade.

 

[Machinehead]

The Yankees firing Cashman is not an option.

It's like Bayern firing Guardiola for not winning the CL and replacing him with Ancelotti. A clear downgrade.

Yes he didn't win the big prize, but he rebuilt our old ass team in 2 seasons. This while being competitive every year.

Nah, I wouldn't fire Cashman. We're a good team with a good pipeline.

Klopp and Pochetttino are outstanding managers. Klopp had a disappointing CV before his Champions League and Poch has won literally nothing.

It's hard to win it all.

 

[Cassano]

Bruh this team is never winning anything with Cashman never being able to land any major league starters.

ownership isn't giving him full authority IMO.

 

[sbjnyc]

That deadline is exactly when other GM's stopped ****ing with Cashman.

Savages in the f-ing press box!

 

[Machinehead]

The Yankees are one of the best teams most every year. Eventually, you win. Feel like it's a matter of averages or something.

Yeah, I mean we're still a great team and a great team just about always. We always have a chance and we'll go into 2020 with a great chance, if anything.

And when we complain, it can rub non-Yankees fans the wrong way. I get that.

It's just that when the team that knocks you off the throne is the Boston Red Sox, it makes you very thirsty.

 

[Cassano]

Nah, I wouldn't fire Cashman. We're a good team with a good pipeline.

Klopp and Pochetttino are outstanding managers. Klopp had a disappointing CV before his Champions League and Poch has won literally nothing.

It's hard to win it all.

Yeah, the division title is a step in the right direction. Not finish yet of course.

 

[sbjnyc]

In a 7 game series, any team can just get hot/cold. That's what we're hinging on at this point.

The stat I heard (I don't remember the exact numbers) is that while NBA home favorites win a best of 7 series 80% of the time, for NHL home teams to win 80% of the time requires a best of 51 and for MLB teams to win 80% it has to be best of 73.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah, I mean we're still a great team and a great team just about always. We always have a chance and we'll go into 2020 with a great chance, if anything.

And when we complain, it can rub non-Yankees fans the wrong way. I get that.

It's just that when the team that knocks you off the throne is the Boston Red Sox, it makes you very thirsty.

You know what would be bigger than any pitching acquisition?

Firing Larry Rotschild.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Glad you don't consider what other teams want when looking at trading with the Yankees. It's painfully obvious you don't even consider the other side of the argument, except that you do when it is to the Yankees advantage. You pointed that out directly above. Those teams had goals, remove those players from their roster. They did. The Yankees took advantage of it.

Thank you for proving my point.

The only thing painfully obvious about any of this is that you’re so blinded by your hatred of the Yankees that it took you this long to see something so simple.

Miami and Cincinnati were NEVER on equal ground with the Yankees when it came to bargaining power and leverage in those respective deals. Extenuating circumstances LITERALLY FORCED THEM to sell Stanton and Chapman for much less than market value.

I seriously don’t know how you thought otherwise. Were you unfamiliar with the background elements involved? If so, I can understand why you’d think otherwise. If you knew everything all along, then I don’t know what to say anymore.

The teams at the deadline have one goal in mind, help shape their team to begin contending in a year or two with young assets. The players that were being asked for were either in high demand or had multiple years on control. You pay for those years, plain and simple. Two of the teams have made runs and are looking to get in this season. That's an even harder player to get.

Let's not even mention that the Yankees farm isn't what it was before all the callups have happened for them. This isn't 2016 or 2017 where they have one of the best farms with players coming up in the next two years. Their best guys, with the exception of 2, are multiple years away. That is fine for them. They don't need to have guys coming up next season to help. Those teams did. You don't have Torres, Andujar, etc in your system. Those are MLB players now. Go look at the top 30 for the Yankees and go look at their MLB ETAs, come back and then we can really talk about why teams that were on the fringe of the playoffs are asking for players that can help them next season, as opposed to waiting for 3 years on a guy.

All I can do is shake my head.

You can continue to shake your head all you want to, I literally never said that the Yankees farm system is what it was 2-3 years ago or anything of a similar ilk. You do nothing but put words in my mouth in lieu of an actual argument and while unwittingly contradicting yourself left and right.

You’re not even worth the further argument with, being that you can’t get your own shit straight.

 

[One Winged Angel]

They kept Kyle Tucker

Hahahahahahahahaha wow.

 

[Machinehead]

You know what would be bigger than any pitching acquisition?

Firing Larry Rotschild.

 

[JCProdigy]

It's just that when the team that knocks you off the throne is the Boston Red Sox, it makes you very thirsty.

They didnt just knock them off the throne. They embarrassed them and then rubbed it in their faces.

In the end, Cashman will be judged by the results, not by the good intentions of signing/trading for players like Paxton/Happ and passing on Cole/Corbin. Just the way business is.

...and again I'll say everything looks a little different if Sevy was at the top of the rotation all season long, pitching to his abilities

 

[One Winged Angel]

I don’t know if that necessarily means they won’t re-sign Cole. I hope they don’t so the Yankees can get him, but I’m not sure if that’s the case.

 

[Machinehead]

They didnt just knock them off the throne. They embarrassed them and then rubbed it in their faces.

In the end, Cashman will be judged by the results, not by the good intentions of signing/trading for players like Paxton/Happ and passing on Cole/Corbin. Just the way business is.

...and again I'll say everything looks a little different if Sevy was at the top of the rotation all season long, pitching to his abilities

Well let's not forget that when Cashman is ultimately judged, he already has four rings.

But I agree, he needs to get another one out of this core. They're too good not to.

 

[One Winged Angel]

ownership isn't giving him full authority IMO.

Hal is cheap. That’s the problem. They’ve literally come out and said that they didn’t want big long-term deals on the team.

I understand not wanting to do so with a young core that’s all going to need contracts within a 3 or so year span... but what about Scherzer? What about Morton?

No, let’s bring back Sabathia to pitch 3 innings a game and Gardner to be a 4th outfielder instead because savings, ya know.

 

[Cassano]

They didnt just knock them off the throne. They embarrassed them and then rubbed it in their faces.

In the end, Cashman will be judged by the results, not by the good intentions of signing/trading for players like Paxton/Happ and passing on Cole/Corbin. Just the way business is.

...and again I'll say everything looks a little different if Sevy was at the top of the rotation all season long, pitching to his abilities

16-1 will forever haunt me

 

[sbjnyc]

Astros gave up top 3,4, and 5 prospects with 1 of them being top 100 but they took on a ton of salary for a 35yo (2X$32 million after this season).

 

[One Winged Angel]

So Houston doesn’t even have to give up Kyle Tucker for Zack Greinke when Houston is looking to add pitching.

Ok.

 

[sbjnyc]

Hal is cheap. That’s the problem. They’ve literally come out and said that they didn’t want big long-term deals on the team.

I understand not wanting to do so with a young core that’s all going to need contracts within a 3 or so year span... but what about Scherzer? What about Morton?

No, let’s bring back Sabathia to pitch 3 innings a game and Gardner to be a 4th outfielder instead because savings, ya know.

I can't imagine the Nats trading Scherzer without dumping the $105 million deferred salary with him. Plus why would they be sellers when they are in a WC spot?

 

[JimmyG89]

Thank you for proving my point.

The only thing painfully obvious about any of this is that you’re so blinded by your hatred of the Yankees that it took you this long to see something so simple.

Miami and Cincinnati were NEVER on equal ground with the Yankees when it came to bargaining power and leverage in those respective deals. Extenuating circumstances LITERALLY FORCED THEM to sell Stanton and Chapman for much less than market value.

I seriously don’t know how you thought otherwise. Were you unfamiliar with the background elements involved? If so, I can understand why you’d think otherwise. If you knew everything all along, then I don’t know what to say anymore.



You can continue to shake your head all you want to, I literally never said that the Yankees farm system is what it was 2-3 years ago or anything of a similar ilk. You do nothing but put words in my mouth in lieu of an actual argument and while unwittingly contradicting yourself left and right.

You’re not even worth the further argument with, being that you can’t get your own **** straight.

You have no argument. You take nothing into consideration for other teams wants when making a trade. You then claim it's a Yankees tax. Entitled fan. This is peak Yankee fan right here. No sense of the direction of the teams around them. I bring up the current Yankees farm as reason why teams want other guys that are either closer to the MLB or guys that are in the MLB.

You don't have shit to get together, so I guess this ends here.

 

[LouJersey]

Pitching-starved Yankees do nothing at trade deadline after Mets rebuff Wheeler deal

does anyone really believe that the Mets turned down Clint Frazier AND Miguel Andujhar for Wheeler?

 

[One Winged Angel]

I can't imagine the Nats trading Scherzer without dumping the $105 million deferred salary with him. Plus why would they be sellers when they are in a WC spot?

Sorry, should have clarified. I mentioned Scherzer and Morton because they were free agents at points. Should have mentioned Corbin too.

Instead of signing secondary pieces to short term deals, why the hell would you not address your biggest need, even if you have to go to the next luxury tax threshold? They’ll make that money back in one season. Getting under the luxury tax was absolutely pointless because they refuse to do anything with it.