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OT: MLB Thread XXIX: Marcus Stroman is a.....Met???

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I don't see anyone beating the Astros. For me, it's not even about this deadline. Cashman's prior mistakes have cost this team big time. Verlander, Cole and Yelich all available in the past few seasons and he gets none of them.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
So I assume the Mets qualify Wheeler and hope he declines.
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I think they made the right decision. All indications are Wheeler doesn’t want to leave and it’s the Mets with their cheap ways which don’t feel they can sign him AND Thor AND Conforto in the next 3 years. Given the returns a guy with Wheeler’s numbers and inconsistencies was going to get you may as well hold onto him and see if by some miracle you can reach 86-76 and 87-75 and get in. Even if you don’t, if he has a lousy 2nd half you might be able to sign him to a show me deal for 1 season for 2020
 
nyr2k2 said:
Ray is not worth Frazier plus three. Never said he was! Is it okay to start by asking for that? Sure, why not? Maybe AZ thinks NYY is desperate, and they can get Frazier plus one of the three original asks and then a lesser guy. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
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So that’s how you’d negotiate? Seems like the negotiation tactic of someone who really doesn’t want to do business with a prospective buyer.

It only seems reasonable to you because you’re a Yankee hating met fan. To anyone else, that’s completely unreasonable being that Cole, Stroman and other superior pitchers have returned FAR LESS. There’s proven results that show this.

You’re being petulant. Just admit it and move on.

If Frazier plus three was the FINAL ask, I'd say AZ must be kind of crazy. Doesn't show me there's inherently unfair treatment towards the Yankees in negotiations. There isn't enough information to make that conclusion. It does lead YOU to that conclusion because that's where you're already at.
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Why would a final ask even matter? How is that a reasonable asking price at ANY point in negotiations? Putting aside sports for a second, how is it a reasonable practice to ask for an insane return right off the bat? That’s an easy way to kill negotiations before they even start... oh wait, that’s practically what happened here. Go figure.

As to the second point, yes, it can mean negotiations were never serious, it can mean one or both sides was unwilling to compromise, it can mean one or both sides were incompetent, etc. It can mean a lot of sides.

OR IT CAN MEAN IT'S THE YANKEES TAX! :laugh: Whatever, man. Believe what you want. I know how hard you guys have it!
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Let’s be real here. Bias and literalism aside.

Speaking from a purely common sense standpoint, one team comes along and has a player, says that they want an INSANE return, not even a King’s ransom, bunt something beyond that which makes no sense for the asset they have. The negotiations end abruptly and end very quickly.

What exactly do you think happened? Because common sense tells me that it didn’t get much further than that, if any further at all. Something tells me the Diamondbacks were unwilling to meet in the middle.

All I know is that if I’m running a business, the last thing I’m doing is asking for prices that will have prospective buyers telling me to GTFO right from the start.
 
LeetchisGod said:
I don't see anyone beating the Astros. For me, it's not even about this deadline. Cashman's prior mistakes have cost this team big time. Verlander, Cole and Yelich all available in the past few seasons and he gets none of them.
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Should have gotten Verlander at the 2017 deadline, whatever it took.

That was the year the iron was hot.
 
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LeetchisGod said:
I don't see anyone beating the Astros. For me, it's not even about this deadline. Cashman's prior mistakes have cost this team big time. Verlander, Cole and Yelich all available in the past few seasons and he gets none of them.
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I hope not. I recently purchased a $4k mattress from Gallery Furniture and Mattress Mack is refunding everyone that spend over $3k if the Astros win the World Series.
 
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JimmyG89 said:
Actually you made the point that the tax doesn't exist and its the point I've made numerous times over the course of this thread: Fans of teams do not take into account what the other team wants to do.

There is no tax. The other team has a goal in mind. That's it. It's simple. They want specific players and Cashman won't budge on them. Is he wrong or right to do so? Maybe, but it actually proves that there is no tax.
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No, I haven’t, in any such sort of way.

I’ve proven that you used 2 asinine instances in which have no relevance to anything you’re trying to say.

They were 2 instances in which the Yankees were able to take advantage of extenuating circumstances that allowed them to get great deals.

Stanton? You can’t be serious. He demanded to play for the Yankees or Dodgers and the Dodgers declined, leaving Miami with ONE TEAM to deal with, or they could bleed out even more money. Their balls were in a vice grip. You’re blind if you can’t see this and you keep going back to it to try to help prove your point, but it doesn’t, not in the slightest bit.

Chapman was a PR black eye after a domestic violence incident. No team was willing to take him. Along comes Brian Cashman and says we’ll take him. No one wanted him. The Reds, a budget team, couldn’t continue to pay someone who they wanted out of town on the next flight. You know how bad of a look that would have been for them to keep someone who was in trouble for domestic violence? Look at the backlash that the Browns got for signing Kareem Hunt and look at how cheap they got him for.

I honestly can’t believe how you don’t get this. All I can do is shake my head.
 
Not getting Greinke isn’t the point. Cashman has done HORRENDOUS JOB putting this minor league rotation together. Paxton is another worthless garbage.

He needs to be fired for this.
 
One Winged Angel said:
No, I haven’t, in any such sort of way.

I’ve proven that you used 2 asinine instances in which have no relevance to anything you’re trying to say.

They were 2 instances in which the Yankees were able to take advantage of extenuating circumstances that allowed them to get great deals.

Stanton? You can’t be serious. He demanded to play for the Yankees or Dodgers and the Dodgers declined, leaving Miami with ONE TEAM to deal with, or they could bleed out even more money. Their balls were in a vice grip. You’re blind if you can’t see this and you keep going back to it to try to help prove your point, but it doesn’t, not in the slightest bit.

Chapman was a PR black eye after a domestic violence incident. No team was willing to take him. Along comes Brian Cashman and says we’ll take him. No one wanted him. The Reds, a budget team, couldn’t continue to pay someone who they wanted out of town on the next flight. You know how bad of a look that would have been for them to keep someone who was in trouble for domestic violence? Look at the backlash that the Browns got for signing Kareem Hunt and look at how cheap they got him for.

I honestly can’t believe how you don’t get this. All I can do is shake my head.
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Glad you don't consider what other teams want when looking at trading with the Yankees. It's painfully obvious you don't even consider the other side of the argument, except that you do when it is to the Yankees advantage. You pointed that out directly above. Those teams had goals, remove those players from their roster. They did. The Yankees took advantage of it.

The teams at the deadline have one goal in mind, help shape their team to begin contending in a year or two with young assets. The players that were being asked for were either in high demand or had multiple years on control. You pay for those years, plain and simple. Two of the teams have made runs and are looking to get in this season. That's an even harder player to get.

Let's not even mention that the Yankees farm isn't what it was before all the callups have happened for them. This isn't 2016 or 2017 where they have one of the best farms with players coming up in the next two years. Their best guys, with the exception of 2, are multiple years away. That is fine for them. They don't need to have guys coming up next season to help. Those teams did. You don't have Torres, Andujar, etc in your system. Those are MLB players now. Go look at the top 30 for the Yankees and go look at their MLB ETAs, come back and then we can really talk about why teams that were on the fringe of the playoffs are asking for players that can help them next season, as opposed to waiting for 3 years on a guy.

All I can do is shake my head.
 
So the price on most of the SP turned out to be so high that NO ONE traded for them. and yet we're still going on with this victim bullshit.
 
Oh well get behind the team. Hopefully Betances Sevy and Stanton can recover from injury.
 
The Yankees firing Cashman is not an option.

It's like Bayern firing Guardiola for not winning the CL and replacing him with Ancelotti. A clear downgrade.

Yes he didn't win the big prize, but he rebuilt our old ass team in 2 seasons. This while being competitive every year.
 
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