OT: MLB Thread XXIX: Marcus Stroman is a.....Met???

[One Winged Angel]

Angels would have taken Trout with their 1st pick had they not had that one.

I don’t know, I would like to think that, but that’s with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight vision.

We don’t know how highly they viewed Grichuk. Funny because that 24th overall pick was the Mets pick. How strange is that?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t know, I would like to think that, but that’s with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight vision.

We don’t know how highly they viewed Grichuk. Funny because that 24th overall pick was the Mets pick. How strange is that?

I'm pretty sure that they've come out and said this.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I'm pretty sure that they've come out and said this.

I’ve never heard anything. If they did, we still wouldn’t even know because they would be speaking in hindsight.

 

[RGY]

Just hope and pray, pray a lot, that Severino and Betances come back. Pray Loasiga can add some quality depth. Pray 1 of Garcia/King/Heller can be an effective depth piece for the pen down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Lots of praying

 

[Machinehead]

Just hope and pray, pray a lot, that Severino and Betances come back. Pray Loasiga can add some quality depth. Pray 1 of Garcia/King/Heller can be an effective depth piece for the pen down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Lots of praying

Pray that Rothschild gets the sudden epiphany to do missionary work and retires immediately.

 

[RGY]

Pray that Rothschild gets the sudden epiphany to do missionary work and retires immediately.

Guy needs to be fired asap.

So many pitchers have gotten worse under him.

 

[sbjnyc]

I'm pretty sure that they've come out and said this.

It makes no sense. There's always a chance a pick gets screwed up somehow so the guy you want more gets picked first in those situations.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It makes no sense. There's always a chance a pick gets screwed up somehow so the guy you want more gets picked first in those situations.

Not at all.

These teams can have deals in place with guys. Slot bonuses are something that effect these things too.

 

[Bob Richards]

apparently the white sox foul lines don't stretch all the way to outfield wall?

 

[Greg02]

apparently the white sox foul lines don't stretch all the way to outfield wall?

This game has been peak Mets. 7IP 1R 11K no decision for deGrom, the ball going off the umpire, the foul line not going to the wall, Calloway making the bizarre decision not to pinch run for Ramos then changing his mind the next batter. All that's missing is for Diaz to blow the save to complete the set.

 

[Bob Richards]

Vital league news I had to share: Keon Broxton hit a HR off of Rafael Montero today.

 

[Larrybiv]

Like I said, I’m not offended. Just wanted to point out a glaring trend I noticed.

There’s a difference between shooting high and taking a considerably worse offer when the asking price for the team that actually acquired the player wasn’t nearly as high as the initial asking price for the Yankees.

Not only that, but even if the initial asking prices were comparable, the Yankees have a better farm system that a lot of teams, even with all of their graduating talent. If the idea was to meet at a middle ground, why not take the offer from the Yankees? Frazier + would have been better for Toronto, but they just shot themselves in the foot by taking less for their ace to spite the Yankees. Even as a divisional rival, why would you not take the best package you can get? The Rangers traded Grabner to NJ because it was the best deal they could get and look at how well that’s worked out so far.

I mean if Atkins wants to make bad moves and hurt his team, by all means, he can continue to do so, doesn’t bother me one bit, less competition to worry about. Just speaking from a strictly logical standpoint, isn’t the idea to get the best package you can get?

I get what youre saying and agree mostly. You referenced Grabner, and believe there may be quite a difference there you may not have thought about. Rest assured the Rangers weren't THAT concerned trading Grabs within division, because it wasnt like he would be haunting the Rangers for years on end. Didnt stay with Devils, Frazier OTH...could haunt Yankees for years and years.

 

[Larrybiv]

Nah, I wouldn't fire Cashman. We're a good team with a good pipeline.

Klopp and Pochetttino are outstanding managers. Klopp had a disappointing CV before his Champions League and Poch has won literally nothing.

It's hard to win it all.[/QUOTE]
Youre telling that to Rangers, Jets and Mets fans here? Talk about preaching to the choir, Mr. Machinehead Master of the Obvious. Jk.

 

[Larrybiv]

So Houston doesn’t even have to give up Kyle Tucker for Zack Greinke when Houston is looking to add pitching.

Ok.

This in a vacuum tells me it was more about dumping his salary from a team destined to waste 32 mil and 2 more years of going nowhere. If I remember correctly, when they acquired him they were serious contenders. This is no more.

 

[Larrybiv]

Let’s summarize...

- Toronto refused a package including Clint Frazier and others for Stroman.
- Toronto deals Stroman to Mets for 2 middling prospects.
- Mets turned down Frazier and Andujar for Wheeler.
- Mets then wanted Florial and Garcia for Stroman.
- Diamondbacks asked for Frazier and THREE prospects for Ray.
- Diamondbacks dealt Greinke to Houston and didn’t even get Kyle Tucker.

I’ll just let the evidence keep piling up. It’s comical at this point, but Mets fans know everything.

We Mets fans (and the rest of the league fans, for that matter) KNOW the Yankees and ALL their glorified history have been taking advantage of the league in buying W.S. wins and players other teams cannot afford. Jeez, no wonder there IS a Yankee tax. I suppose its the Yankees against the world. (Sob, sob, cry, cry)
P.S. i dont believe for a NY minute that they turned down Frazier AND Andujar as a packagefor Wheeler......it was one or the other for sure.

 

[Larrybiv]

This game has been peak Mets. 7IP 1R 11K no decision for deGrom, the ball going off the umpire, the foul line not going to the wall, Calloway making the bizarre decision not to pinch run for Ramos then changing his mind the next batter. All that's missing is for Diaz to blow the save to complete the set.

Strange game for sure, but 6 in a row and all of a sudden the league should be VERY concerned that the Mets might somehow sneak in. Lots of winning to do, but is NOT impossible and making things very interesting. What a starting staff we will be running out every day. Trading for Stroman (pissing off spoiled Yankee fans) and then capping it off by trading Vargas to the Phillies no less for a crappy catcher was a win win.
Cant wait to face Vargas next time playing Phillies. Lol.
Watch, he will probably no hit us.

 

[RGY]

We Mets fans (and the rest of the league fans, for that matter) KNOW the Yankees and ALL their glorified history have been taking advantage of the league in buying W.S. wins and players other teams cannot afford. Jeez, no wonder there IS a Yankee tax. I suppose its the Yankees against the world. (Sob, sob, cry, cry)
P.S. i dont believe for a NY minute that they turned down Frazier AND Andujar as a packagefor Wheeler......it was one or the other for sure.

I absolutely DESPISE the “Yankees buy championships” statements. The ONLY WS the Yankees may have “bought” is the 2009 one.

Their WS from ‘96-‘00 were built on the backs of their farm system coupled with a lot of trades. Sure they signed a guy here and there but they made a lot of trades to get the personnel they wanted.

Circling back to 2009, the core Four was still here for that one as well. But yes they went out and signed CC, Burnett, and Tex. They already had the carry over from ARod, Matsui, Damon so again only legitimate argument could be made for 2009.

The other signings they made between ‘01-‘08 didnt workout for all the money they dished out. Even trades for high profile names with big money at that time, because salaries were now becoming more of a factor in trades (just like Greinke yesterday), also did not workout. See Randy Johnson.

But even so with that argument, is it the Yankees fault for taking advantage of the market they play in allowing them to have the financial backing to take on the salaries in trade? Is it their fault the Wilpons dont do the same or make egregious mistakes with their money?

I mean cmon...

 

[sbjnyc]

Free agent signings never really got the Yanks anywhere except maybe the late 70s (sounds familiar). The difference between the Yankees and most other teams is that they can afford to keep and pay their top prospects as well as the top prospects from other teams who can't afford them. Met fans were concerned that they wouldn't be able to sign all of deGrom, Syndergaard and harvey but no question the Yanks would have signed all of them (assuming they stayed healthy).

Kyle Tucker is a top 10 prospect - he wasn't getting traded for a 35yo pitcher with 2 years left on a fat contract. That's something the Mets do and the Yankees don't want to be like the mets. The Yankees would have gotten a much better return on Kelenic if they decided to trade him.

The best Yankee prospects are Florial at 46 and Garcia at 100. The Astros included Bukauskas in the deal who is rated 96 so it is like the Yankees trading Garcia and a couple of decent prospects for Greinke. Of course there's no guarantee the D-backs rate the prospects from each system the same as the MLB prospect rankings.

Odds are that maybe 1 of these guys goes on to have a career in the majors.

 

[One Winged Angel]

This in a vacuum tells me it was more about dumping his salary from a team destined to waste 32 mil and 2 more years of going nowhere. If I remember correctly, when they acquired him they were serious contenders. This is no more.

And with what other payroll on their roster? Goldschmidt is gone.

 

[One Winged Angel]

We Mets fans (and the rest of the league fans, for that matter) KNOW the Yankees and ALL their glorified history have been taking advantage of the league in buying W.S. wins and players other teams cannot afford. Jeez, no wonder there IS a Yankee tax. I suppose its the Yankees against the world. (Sob, sob, cry, cry)
P.S. i dont believe for a NY minute that they turned down Frazier AND Andujar as a packagefor Wheeler......it was one or the other for sure.

I don’t care what you or what anyone believes, to be honest. What’s being reported is being reported by people who have more insight than us and there’s been no report refuting it.

The Mets front office is well known for their stupidity. If this is some how “unbelievable” to you, I have some oceanfront property in Nebraska I’d like to sell you.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I absolutely DESPISE the “Yankees buy championships” statements. The ONLY WS the Yankees may have “bought” is the 2009 one.

Their WS from ‘96-‘00 were built on the backs of their farm system coupled with a lot of trades. Sure they signed a guy here and there but they made a lot of trades to get the personnel they wanted.

Circling back to 2009, the core Four was still here for that one as well. But yes they went out and signed CC, Burnett, and Tex. They already had the carry over from ARod, Matsui, Damon so again only legitimate argument could be made for 2009.

The other signings they made between ‘01-‘08 didnt workout for all the money they dished out. Even trades for high profile names with big money at that time, because salaries were now becoming more of a factor in trades (just like Greinke yesterday), also did not workout. See Randy Johnson.

But even so with that argument, is it the Yankees fault for taking advantage of the market they play in allowing them to have the financial backing to take on the salaries in trade? Is it their fault the Wilpons dont do the same or make egregious mistakes with their money?

I mean cmon...

Don’t even bother. You’re talking to a fan base that believes it’s front office isn’t actually stupid enough to turn down Andujar and Frazier for Wheeler. The same front office that thought it was a good idea to pay Bobby Bonilla 29.8 million over 25 years as opposed to a one-time payment of 5.9 million.

Lmao, ok.

 

[Bob Richards]

 

[East Coast Bias]

Don’t even bother. You’re talking to a fan base that believes it’s front office isn’t actually stupid enough to turn down Andujar and Frazier for Wheeler. The same front office that thought it was a good idea to pay Bobby Bonilla 29.8 million over 25 years as opposed to a one-time payment of 5.9 million.

Lmao, ok.

I think the Mets fanbase is very aware of what we're working with. If you could calm down long enough to read this thread, you'd see it too. But you're so mad online, you can't even get your insults correct and appear to think Brodie was leading the Front Office in 1999.

It's not the Mets, or their fans fault the Yankees have holes in their rotation. Plenty of fellow Yankees fans realize this. In fact most of them have kinda come down from the league wide conspiracy accusations to a more nuanced view. But you do you.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

This thread went to shit

 

[Bob Richards]

Yeah its getting toxic at this point.

We are the Mets. We absolutely f***ing suck. No one knows it better than us.

It's not our fault your GM refuses to build a pitching staff. I'm not sure what there is to say.