OT: MLB Thread XXIX: Marcus Stroman is a.....Met???

[Cassano]

Where would andujar play on the Mets? I heard Francesa say he's a DH, suggesting his defense at 3rd isn't good. Its believed that the mets will move McNeil to 3rd next season. The Mets already have enough guys playing out of position or weak defensively. Where would Frazier play? The Mets are thinking about Rosario in CF. They already have Conforto in right. Can Frazier play LF? Not sure how the Mets feel about Nimmo moving forward. Also I've heard people say Frazier "is not a Yankee" and he refused to talk to reporters after a bad game, so why would the Mets think it's okay?

To be honest I think the biggest factor making it difficult for teams to pry pitchers from the Mets other than Vargas who sealed his fate by threatening the reporter is the Mets being on a hot streak coming out of the all star break. The 2 wild cards are doing what the league wants them to do which is trick a bunch of teams into thinking they have a chance at making the playoffs. Van Wagenens tenure so far has been a big disappointment and I think just finishing the 2nd half on a positive note is more important to him than trading away pitchers and focusing on next season. The guy is obviously in a win now mode even though the mets have a flawed roster. Also he got killed for the Diaz/Cano trade so he's probably very concerned with making sure the mets "win" the next big trade he makes which explains the rumored high asking prices for mets players.

You're exactly right. Andujar should be a DH and the Mets already have horrible defense. Adding Andujar to that would be disastrous as he is the worst defensive player in MLB. He is not a player the Mets should consider trading for considering their other pressing needs.

While Frazier has great tools, he is also pretty bad defensively and isn't that great of an overall hitter yet. Playing him in CF will be a disaster.

If I were the Mets, I'd reject those two for Stroman as well.

 

[JimmyG89]

Andujar would play on this team at 3rd 100%. His bat would force him into that spot. The current status of 3rd base for them isn't great, but I'd like to see JD Davis there for a bit. His bat plays, but the defense at 3rd has been rough. Two of their top 10 prospects are at 3rd, including their top pick this season. That's at minimum 3 years from now. The immediate future of the position, unless it becomes McNeil, is murky.

All of this is pointless because Andujar's not going to be on the Mets or any other team next season unless Cashman decides Andujar is not in the Yankees future. I find that hard to believe.

 

[Thirty One]

Clint in CF, Andujar at SS. Recipe for success. Prove me wrong.

 

[NYR Viper]

I really don't understand not being at least a decent outfielder. These guys who are below average defensively is abhorrent for any professional. The position isn't that hard

 

[Thirty One]

I really don't understand not being at least a decent outfielder. These guys who are below average defensively is abhorrent for any professional. The position isn't that hard

Someone has to be below average.

 

[NYR Viper]

Someone has to be below average.

yes, but you don't have to be one of those guys

 

[One Winged Angel]

Are we positive Andujar is going to replicate his rookie season?

Are we positive that prospects will hit their potential? No, but if I had to bet, I’d rather put money on Andujar who should have won AL ROY last year who was the Yankees best and most consistent bat and carried them from June and on as opposed to a complete unknown.

Yes, I know about the shoulder, but he’ll come back from that. If GM’s thought that way about every injury, no player in any sport would hold any value after being injured once.

 

[Thirty One]

Are we positive that prospects will hit their potential? No, but if I had to bet, I’d rather put money on Andujar who should have won AL ROY last year who was the Yankees best and most consistent bat and carried them from June and on as opposed to a complete unknown.

Yes, I know about the shoulder, but he’ll come back from that. If GM’s thought that way about every injury, no player in any sport would hold any value after being injured once.

Yeah, I'm not saying that Andujar holds little value, but I'm not sure asking if the Mets have someone who can replicate Andujar's rookie season is the right question, considering we're not sure Andujar can.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Yeah, I'm not saying that Andujar holds little value, but I'm not sure asking if the Mets have someone who can replicate Andujar's rookie season is the right question, considering we're not sure Andujar can.

I understand what you’re saying but saying that the Mets have prospects in the system who can replace that production is not the statement to make then. They’re complete unknowns. At least we know Andujar can hit. Shoulder surgeries aren’t career altering/ending either. It’s not like the old pitcher death sentence when a pitcher would find out that he had to get TJ surgery years ago.

He’s young enough to the point where he can come back and be fine. The concern I have is if it will be something that could linger with him for the rest of his career. I don’t think it will, but I’m not a medical expert obviously.

 

[Machinehead]

I really don't understand not being at least a decent outfielder. These guys who are below average defensively is abhorrent for any professional. The position isn't that hard

I actually hated playing outfield. Even in RF it gave me a tough time.

 

[Bob Richards]

7 in a row. This has actually been fun to watch.

 

[sbjnyc]

7 in a row. This has actually been fun to watch.

Don't buy in just yet.

 

[Bob Richards]

Don't buy in just yet.

Oh I'm not buying in at all. The hole they dug themselves into is way too deep. I just actually enjoyed baseball for the last week or so. It wasn't a chore to watch

They would need to go on like a 37-17 run to reach 90 wins.

 

[sbjnyc]

Oh I'm not buying in at all. The hole they dug themselves into is way too deep. I just actually enjoyed baseball for the last week or so. It wasn't a chore to watch

They would need to go on like a 37-17 run to reach 90 wins.

They leapfrogged 2 teams, 2 to go. They're only 4 games out of the 2nd wildcard with 2 months to go. The Mets give up 4 game leads like its a bodily function.

 

[Krams]

They leapfrogged 2 teams, 2 to go. They're only 4 games out of the 2nd wildcard with 2 months to go. The Mets give up 4 game leads like its a bodily function.

2007 still puts a pit in my stomach to this day. 7 game lead on September 12th lol

 

[Krams]

7 in a row. This has actually been fun to watch.

Doing it with Pete and McNeil both in slumps too. Pitching lately has been as good as it was advertised in Spring Training. Excited to see Stroman's first start.

 

[Ghost of jas]

2007 still puts a pit in my stomach to this day. 7 game lead on September 12th lol

The bullpen killed that team that year.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Oh I'm not buying in at all. The hole they dug themselves into is way too deep. I just actually enjoyed baseball for the last week or so. It wasn't a chore to watch

They would need to go on like a 37-17 run to reach 90 wins.

They need to ride their horses...Syndegaard and Wheeler need to pitch like they did in the White Sox series. Good to see Conforto finally getting past his concussion.

 

[Krams]

The bullpen killed that team that year.

If I recall correctly he was injured and didn't pitch in September, but thinking back to that 'pen, remember Ambiorix Burgos? Guy who got convicted of assaulting his girlfriend and later was charged in the Dominican Republic with kidnapping his ex-wife and feeding her rat poison. Googled around but can't find out what ever happened with the trial.

 

[nyr2k2]

The Mets are one of, maybe the only, team that can reasonably expect a quality start from every guy in the rotation. So when they get on a roll, like they have since the break when they've been like a full half-run better than anyone else, they can really move quickly.

Of course, the hole they dug was deep. If they cool off for two weeks that's probably it for them.

 

[nyr2k2]

If I recall correctly he was injured and didn't pitch in September, but thinking back to that 'pen, remember Ambiorix Burgos? Guy who got convicted of assaulting his girlfriend and later was charged in the Dominican Republic with kidnapping his ex-wife and feeding her rat poison. Googled around but can't find out what ever happened with the trial.

Yes, he came over from KC and looked electric at times.

Also notable was at one point there were only two guys in North America playing professional ball named Ambiorix: Burgos, and a once-decent prospect Concepcion. They both played in the Mets' system.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If I recall correctly he was injured and didn't pitch in September, but thinking back to that 'pen, remember Ambiorix Burgos? Guy who got convicted of assaulting his girlfriend and later was charged in the Dominican Republic with kidnapping his ex-wife and feeding her rat poison. Googled around but can't find out what ever happened with the trial.

I assume you’re referring to Billy Wagner. At that point, Minaya grabbed Luis Ayala off the scrap heap to try and replace him. He didn’t.

 

[Krams]

I assume you’re referring to Billy Wagner. At that point, Minaya grabbed Luis Ayala off the scrap heap to try and replace him. He didn’t.

No, I was referring to Burgos. Wags was active that September, but he had a pretty terrible second half of the season.

 

[Krams]

Yes, he came over from KC and looked electric at times.

Also notable was at one point there were only two guys in North America playing professional ball named Ambiorix: Burgos, and a once-decent prospect Concepcion. They both played in the Mets' system.

Dude had the highest average fastball velocity among AL relievers in 2005 according to this (96.5mph). My, how times have changed...

 

[Larrybiv]

Diaz is still a top-notch reliever despite the poor results this year. He has been very unlucky with BABIP and out of zone contact %, among other things. He's throwing as hard, his spin rate is there, it's just unfortunate results. It happens with relievers who always operate in a small sample size. I'd keep him--he's a strong rebound candidate. Yet, he's also apparently in high demand if the writers are to believed, which just further supports the idea that he's still viewed as a high-caliber guy.

Yeah man, I am not dissing on Diaz as much as I am Cano. Diaz will eventually figure it out. If the Mets are going to continue this run of success, they need Diaz and even Familia to get back to where they once was. Familia is but a bunch of ????. Wtf?