OT: MLB Thread XLVII

[nyr2k2]

You jinxed us...spoke too soon...lol

Kidding obviously. Just curious despite how good an offseason the Mets have had, does the word "due diligence" ring a bell and mean anything?

You have to believe they do it for any of the players they have acquired. One would think this shit with Porter would have surfaced in any kind of background check. Oh well...just a little hiccup on what has been an outstanding off season thus far. Still tho Mets will always do Mets shit.

OK that said, now add Jackie Bradley Jr call it a day and let's get ready for spring training.

I don't know if it was "known" outside of a few ESPN people and the reporter herself. I mean, the story says ESPN has been sitting on it since 2017, so for 3-4 years someone has known about it but has has kept it close to the vest. ESPN apparently didn't want to move on the story until the reporter herself was comfortable in doing so (as she said, her culture will shame her more than Porter) and I guess she wasn't comfortable even in being anonymous until now. I could totally see this being a situation where a couple reporters knew and that was literally it. The Mets took their time in finding a GM and almost nothing leaked about the search, so you would think they were thorough in vetting their candidates. Some things you just can't know upfront.

 

[Maximus]

Do you play in a 22 team fantasy league? lol, com’on bro. Bradley in your lineup? You’re better off keeping the spot open in hopes the others keep the numbers high lol.

Obviously I totally agree with you. But, are you ready for this...it's a 20 team league...not shitting you...hah

We go 560 players deep....28 man rosters. So in this nutty league of ours, Jackie Bradley is going to be starting for some team and I just looked, last year, he was drafted as the 18th pick in the 18th round...360th overall.

Apology accepted...lol

Pillar for comparison purposes was the 10th pick of the 11th round...110th overall. Obviously fantasy doesn't give a crap about defense but if the Mets signed Pillar instead of Bradley, you wouldn't hear me complaining as I'd be quite the happy camper.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Obviously I totally agree with you. But, are you ready for this...it's a 20 team league...not shitting you...hah

We go 560 players deep....28 man rosters. So in this nutty league of ours, Jackie Bradley is going to be starting for some team and I just looked, last year, he was drafted as the 18th pick in the 18th round...360th overall.

Apology accepted...lol

Pillar for comparison purposes was the 10th pick of the 11th round...110th overall. Obviously fantasy doesn't give a crap about defense but if the Mets signed Pillar instead of Bradley, you wouldn't hear me complaining as I'd be quite the happy camper.

lol - awesome league. I ignore leagues like that. No movement and trade proposals of 7 bench players for your all-star.

Actually i have a league going on 15 years (might be 16, have to check). IM me if interested. 12 team league H2H. Literally 95% participation with always one manager who falls off.

 

[Machinehead]

 

[Maximus]

lol - awesome league. I ignore leagues like that. No movement and trade proposals of 7 bench players for your all-star.

Actually i have a league going on 15 years (might be 16, have to check). IM me if interested. 12 team league H2H. Literally 95% participation with always one manager who falls off.

You are right in that there aren't too many trades in my league. I probably can count on two hands the # of deals I've made in the 17 years I've been in it.

And yes, I think I just might be interested in your league as I haven't been in a head to head baseball league in awhile. I do h2h hockey but not baseball. I'll PM you and give me the details...kool.

 

[Maximus]

I don't know if it was "known" outside of a few ESPN people and the reporter herself. I mean, the story says ESPN has been sitting on it since 2017, so for 3-4 years someone has known about it but has has kept it close to the vest. ESPN apparently didn't want to move on the story until the reporter herself was comfortable in doing so (as she said, her culture will shame her more than Porter) and I guess she wasn't comfortable even in being anonymous until now. I could totally see this being a situation where a couple reporters knew and that was literally it. The Mets took their time in finding a GM and almost nothing leaked about the search, so you would think they were thorough in vetting their candidates. Some things you just can't know upfront.

This quite possibly is the case but for some reason when it comes to such an important hire such as a GM, one would think somehow someway if there were any skeletens in a closet or red flags, it would come up...that's all.

But on the other hand just like with what occurred with Beltran and the cheating scandal and when that disaster came to light, no matter how much due diligence one does, shit can fall thru the cracks I guess.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

i guess what you can get away with depends on how replaceable you are.

Aroldis Chapman is a raging domestic abuser who choked a woman out and fired gunshots inside his garage during his rage. Porter sends a drunken dick pick and will likely never get another gig.

Not that I feel bad for him or care, he's an idiot who was in his late 30's at the time, but just noting the different consequences.

 

[nyr2k2]

This quite possibly is the case but for some reason when it comes to such an important hire such as a GM, one would think somehow someway if there were any skeletens in a closet or red flags, it would come up...that's all.

But on the other hand just like with what occurred with Beltran and the cheating scandal and when that disaster came to light, no matter how much due diligence one does, shit can fall thru the cracks I guess.

Yeah, who knows. I mean AZ never knew about it--granted you wouldn't think they'd require quite as much background for an AGM as a GM, but still, 3-4 years and they never knew (or did know and kept it quiet--same for Cubs). It's too bad it had to end up as egg on the Mets' face since they've done so well since Cohen took over. Really unfortunate, but at least they handled it about as well as a team could--quickly and forcefully.

(I know the actual victim here is the female journalist and not the Mets, I'm just strictly talking about it from a baseball perspective.)

 

[nyr2k2]

i guess what you can get away with depends on how replaceable you are.

Chapman is a raging domestic abuser who choked a woman out and fired gunshots inside his garage during his rage. Porter sends a drunken dick pick and will likely never get another gig.

Not that I feel bad for him or care, he's an idiot who was in his late 30's at the time, but just noting the different consequences.

Yup, it is pretty amazing how that works. There are dozens upon dozens of guys (if not hundreds) in pro sports who have engaged in way worse activity and get to stick around because they can contribute on the field/rink/diamond/court/etc. And at the end of the day that's what apparently matters most in sports.

I do think Porter will catch on again somewhere. In a year or two he'll get a scouting gig and start trying to work his way back up, something like that. As reprehensible as his behavior was, if he shows honest contrition I think someone will give him another chance after this incident fades from memory a bit.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

These guys always get second chances so I do not feel bad for Porter getting canned at all

Frankly I’m surprised this didn’t get leaked out while he was interviewing.

 

[nyr2k2]

These guys always get second chances so I do not feel bad for Porter getting canned at all

Frankly I’m surprised this didn’t get leaked out while he was interviewing.

I've gone back and read more about it--so a "baseball source" initially tipped off ESPN years ago and subsequently at least three other people ESPN talked to confirmed they saw or heard about the texts at the time. I'd really like to know why those individuals didn't speak up when they became aware of this, or if they did speak up, why nothing happened. I absolutely understand ESPN sitting on the story at the request of the victim, but those other people that became aware, if they worked for the Cubs or Diamondbacks, should have an obligation to report that or move it up the chain.

I hope MLB looks into it and punishes anyone who was complicit in keeping this a secret, to set an example that that kind of shit can't happen.

 

[Machinehead]

i guess what you can get away with depends on how replaceable you are.

Aroldis Chapman is a raging domestic abuser who choked a woman out and fired gunshots inside his garage during his rage. Porter sends a drunken dick pick and will likely never get another gig.

Not that I feel bad for him or care, he's an idiot who was in his late 30's at the time, but just noting the different consequences.

Absolutely. What the athletes get away with is out of control. And that's just what we hear about, what, with their fancy lawyers and fixers.

It's nice that organizations are taking a stand on some of this behavior but it needs to start extending to the players.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I've gone back and read more about it--so a "baseball source" initially tipped off ESPN years ago and subsequently at least three other people ESPN talked to confirmed they saw or heard about the texts at the time. I'd really like to know why those individuals didn't speak up when they became aware of this, or if they did speak up, why nothing happened. I absolutely understand ESPN sitting on the story at the request of the victim, but those other people that became aware, if they worked for the Cubs or Diamondbacks, should have an obligation to report that or move it up the chain.

I hope MLB looks into it and punishes anyone who was complicit in keeping this a secret, to set an example that that kind of shit can't happen.

Yeah there is a lot of unanswered questions here. That's why I'm hesitant at lobbing "X should have known" accusations out. We just don't know all the details yet.

There's also the concept that this type of behavior is very rarely isolated. The idea someone did this once, never before or after, would be rare.

 

[nyr2k2]

Absolutely. What the athletes get away with is out of control. And that's just what we hear about, what, with their fancy lawyers and fixers.

It's nice that organizations are taking a stand on some of this behavior but it needs to start extending to the players.

Yeah, fully agreed. It's just tough because with the front office and general team personnel, there's no union, no players' association. Their only defense in an attorney and trying to show they were unlawfully terminated, which with this kind of stuff is really hard to do. You might get a settlement or whatever, but once you're fired you're basically done.

The players, however, have that CBA, have the grievance process, all that. So they have more tools at their disposal. There are ways around it, like how the NFL has their discipline structure set up, but it's still so much more difficult. Honestly the only way to make really substantial progress in punishing players is to achieve buy-in from the unions, which is nigh-impossible (for semi-understandable reasons).

Unfortunately sports are just a reflection of society as a whole. Lots of people who have money and power acting badly, largely escaping the same punishments that we all would face.

 

[RangersFan]

That "2002 Players snuck weed into Shea" Is our new first base coach Tony Tarasco. He smoked weed with Mark Corey who had a seizure. Good times!

 

[Boris Zubov]

This is Amazin!

I don't recall the Kevin Mitchell cat incident, however.

 

[RangersFan]

This is Amazin!

I don't recall the Kevin Mitchell cat incident, however.

A highly recommended read.

 

[nyr2k2]

MLB to investigate Jared Porter, now-disgraced executive

MLB investigating Porter. Hopefully this extends into what the Cubs and DBacks knew or didn't know. The Cubs have said they were unaware but will launch an internal investigation. The DBacks also said they were unaware but haven't said if they will do an internal investigation (which is weak).

Everyone close to him, predictably, is just shocked that this happened.

Anyway, glad it's all being looked into and hopefully in a thorough manner.

 

[NYSPORTS]

MLB to investigate Jared Porter, now-disgraced executive

MLB investigating Porter. Hopefully this extends into what the Cubs and DBacks knew or didn't know. The Cubs have said they were unaware but will launch an internal investigation. The DBacks also said they were unaware but haven't said if they will do an internal investigation (which is weak).

Everyone close to him, predictably, is just shocked that this happened.

Anyway, glad it's all being looked into and hopefully in a thorough manner.

appears he needs some dating advice. Nobody told him about the relationship thread?

 

[NYSPORTS]

This is Amazin!

I don't recall the Kevin Mitchell cat incident, however.

Kevin Mitchell got a raw deal. It was the surrounding cast.

 

[JCProdigy]

i guess what you can get away with depends on how replaceable you are.

Aroldis Chapman is a raging domestic abuser who choked a woman out and fired gunshots inside his garage during his rage. Porter sends a drunken dick pick and will likely never get another gig.

Not that I feel bad for him or care, he's an idiot who was in his late 30's at the time, but just noting the different consequences.

I mean, you can be the head of a hedge fund that was guilty of vast insider trading, escape any personal punishment from it, and go on to become even richer and own a sporting franchise.

Inside and outside of sports, it's not unusual that power and irreplaceability (ie those that can give somebody more power/wealth) Trumps any moral justice deserved.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Kevin Mitchell got a raw deal. It was the surrounding cast.

That trade turned out pretty bad. Mitchell became an all-star & was always such a clutch player.

McReynolds was a decent player....when the game wasn't on the line. I've never seen a guy hit more homers when the game was out of reach, for either side. Plus you could tell he wanted to be anywhere but NYC.

 

[NYSPORTS]

That trade turned out pretty bad. Mitchell became an all-star & was always such a clutch player.

McReynolds was a decent player....when the game wasn't on the line. I've never seen a guy hit more homers when the game was out of reach, for either side. Plus you could tell he wanted to be anywhere but NYC.

yeah, the Mets felt Mitchell was a bad influence on Doc and Darryl. It was the other way around.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Yea I’m ok with sitting this one out

 

[NYSPORTS]

Yea I’m ok with sitting this one out

damn it

Bet they call Colorado for Arenado