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Maximus
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I kind of agree with you as don't get me wrong, Walker was a heck of a good player...really good. Hell other than Davie Parker, he might have the best arm I've ever seen.
That said, when I watched him play and I owned Walker a few times in my longtime $$ fantasy league and watched him alot, I never ever said to myself that I was watching a hall of fame player....never!!.
More and more voters over the years are voting in players who are good and maybe even very good but definitely not worthy of HOF induction. If there was a hall of the very good...yeah Walker is in that category. But hall of famer? I think not!
just to be clear, my comment was not about walker. he is a border line guy and you can argue it both ways...my comment was about the fraud voters that put him in cause it was his last year on the ballot. if guys stayed on the ballot 15 years he wouldn't be in and IMO that is wrong. he is either a hall of famer or he's not and whichever you believe is fine but it doesn't change cause its the last year on the ballot...
if you don't think he's a HOFer but voted yes cause its his last year and you think he's a nice guy then you are a fraud and shouldn't be allowed to vote...if you think he is a HOFer but voted no in the past to 'make him wait' and stroke your own ego, then you are a fraud cause you should have voted yes years ago then.
people hoped that making the votes public would add credibility but to me the voter credibility is on par with the people that 'vote' for the WWE HOF.
again zero commentary about any specific players, I'm only talking about the fraud media voters that want to make themselves the story
I wouldn't hold my breath on getting a good reason, but I believe all ballots will be made public on Feb 4th so we will know by then or sooner...probably sooner as everyone else will probably release their ballots to prove they aren't the guy lol.
I think there are 2 possible reasons here. #1 to prevent him from getting 100%...this has been done for every player in history aside from Mariano cause 'babe ruth didn't get 100%'. people thought we were done with that after Mariano but I guess not...possible reason #2 he/she is looking to stroke their own ego and get their 15 minutes of fame by making the story about them.
Obviously they aren't going to be honest and say that so they will come up with some lame excuse...if I spin the wheel of excuses, I predict that they will call Jeter a compiler and claim that he was never the best player in any season...which is a completely stupid argument anyway cause its about the career as a whole, not top single seasons of your career. I fail to see how being really good consistently year in and year out for 22 years is less impressive than being great for a handful of years and not as good the rest of your career.
NYR94
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Some of these baseball writers' heads are so far up their asses it's not even funny. I don't even want to know what his reasoning his because he doesn't deserve the attention that he's obviously trying to grab by not voting for Jeter. But the Hall as a whole is messed up. The MLB career leaders in home runs and Cy Young wins aren't in there. I thought Schilling deserved to get in. I don't think Walker is a HOFer.
Also this:
Also this:
East Coast Bias
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We go through this every year - some voters don't vote anyone in on the first go round.
It happened to Griffey, it happened to Maddux, etc. I don't get why people get so worked up. It's dumb but it's worse when a guy is a borderline than when its 99.7% instead of 100.
It happened to Griffey, it happened to Maddux, etc. I don't get why people get so worked up. It's dumb but it's worse when a guy is a borderline than when its 99.7% instead of 100.
I'm surprised no one is biting on Cespedes, since there was a lot of talk in the past month or so about teams being interested. With his reworked contract he seems like a worthwhile gamble. Put it this way--if the Mets needed a corner OF, I would absolutely want them to take a flyer on him at $6M/$11M guaranteed.
Or for an AL team. His issues are going to be related to the lower body. With the hacks he takes, I don't see why he couldn't still be dangerous, even if he can't run.
SA16
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The only reason not to vote for Jeter is the ten player limit. If you know someone is for sure getting in, which he obviously was, it makes sense not to waste a vote on him when you could spend that vote on someone like Walker or someone at risk of dropping off. That probably isn't the reason this particular person didn't vote for him but having a rule that incentives you to not vote for the best player is pretty stupid.
That said Jeter is far from the best player in the HoF and it's hardly egregious that he's not the first ever 100% position player.
That said Jeter is far from the best player in the HoF and it's hardly egregious that he's not the first ever 100% position player.
Adam Fox Time
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It's a fake. The list of voters is here:This is going around twitter. If it's real it's just embarrassing.
2020 Hall of Fame voters – BBWAA
"Dave Williams" is not a voter. Also, Valverde did not receive any votes.
Derek Jeter, Larry Walker elected to Hall of Fame – BBWAA
This is going around twitter. If it's real it's just embarrassing.
Astros stole Jeter's vote.
Also Luis Rojas is the next Mets Manager.
"Rojas doesn't have the last name Alou because when he was a minor leaguer with the Washington Nationals, the franchise asked him to change his name from Luis Alou to Luis Rojas to match his birth certificate, he told the New York Post last year. The newspaper reported that Rojas is the family name but Felipe, Moises and his uncles used Alou, which is the surname of Rojas' paternal grandmother."
If anyone was curious why Felipe's son and Moises' brother carries the surname Rojas.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-rojas-new-manager-gm-brodie-van-wagenen-says
If anyone was curious why Felipe's son and Moises' brother carries the surname Rojas.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-rojas-new-manager-gm-brodie-van-wagenen-says
Maximus
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Now this is a hire I can get behind. I'm the first guy to say I wanted to bring back Terry Collins for a year but after what I've read about him, I'm really getting some good vibes about Rojas unlike when Beltran was hired who didn't have a lick of managerial experience.
So we got a guy who's been in Met organization 14 years having managed 7 of them throughout the farm system. He's coached up the Conforto's, Alonso's, McNeil's of the world and as a bonus he has some pretty good pedigree being the son of Felipe Alou and nephew of Manny both of whom were pretty good managers and players in their own right.
I dunno...getting some real good vibes on this Rojas hire. It would be pretty ironic if the embarassment and shit that came down on Beltran forcing Mets to fire him ends up being a blessing in disguise if this Rojas guy ends up working out.
OK now that we got our manager...I'm ready for spring training!
So we got a guy who's been in Met organization 14 years having managed 7 of them throughout the farm system. He's coached up the Conforto's, Alonso's, McNeil's of the world and as a bonus he has some pretty good pedigree being the son of Felipe Alou and nephew of Manny both of whom were pretty good managers and players in their own right.
I dunno...getting some real good vibes on this Rojas hire. It would be pretty ironic if the embarassment and shit that came down on Beltran forcing Mets to fire him ends up being a blessing in disguise if this Rojas guy ends up working out.
OK now that we got our manager...I'm ready for spring training!
Besides Felipe and Matty, he's also the brother of former Met Moises, who was a really good player in his prime. Moises was also the dude that would piss on his hands to help with blisters.
East Coast Bias
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I'm good with it. Needed to stay in house because of the timing. I'm not a big believer in chasing the high priced famous managers anyway.
Maximus
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Dude...I remember when that crazy shit Moises used to do with urine came out and it was like are you serious?
Pretty gross but whatever works...right? But yeah Moises is another good ball player in the Alou family as I remember that boy could rake. So it's obvious Rojas has good genes. Let's hope he can make the right moves with the pitching staff, bullpen and in game stuff things that Calloway had issues with.
I have nothing whatsoever backing me on why I'm really feeling good vibes about this hire other than very good things what I've read seeing I barely even knew this guy existed until a few days ago when I heard he was one of the candidates Mets were looking at after the Beltran fiasco.
Him having managed before and knowing and having worked with some of the players tho gives me great hope this guy can work out. Here's to hoping with fingers crossed that we got the right guy!
Bob Richards
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I'm unsure of the logic of it but I guess something was going right LOL
Maximus
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Absolutely. Damn, I didn't realize Moises retired with over a .300 BA and was such a good player. You made me look now and an average 162 game season for Alou was .303 with 28 bombs...107 RBI's...93 runs and 9 SB's.
That my friend is the stats of a damn good baseball player. If Rojas can manage even close to how good his brother hit the baseball, we are in great shape going forward.
I'm actually excited for the season now and feel so much more hopeful now that Beltran is gone and Rojas is here.
I never liked the Beltran hire in the first place and was very concerned about his lack of experience on a "win now" type team the Mets are.
So for him to be gone and in his place Rojas, a guy who as I said has managed guys on the team and basically is "Met lifer" having been here 14 years...I dunno man but on paper, I don't see how the Mets could have picked a better guy to lead them going forward.
JCProdigy
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True, but my feeling is just because something is done a certain way in the past, doesn't mean it's acceptable to be done that way now. Like the short story, The Lottery, following a tradition just for the sake of it without reasoned thought is ridiculous. The writers with votes should be made aware of that. Either a player is HOF worthy or not in a single voters mind and that is all he should concern himself with. Yes there are times where there might be 11 qualified candidates in a voters mind but other than that a worthy HOF athlete should receive your vote, period.
I do understand that there are some guys who are borderline HOFers and a voters opinion could legitimately change over the years (and also the whole steroid debacle) but let's cut the crap on the no doubt guys. Griffey is a no doubt guy, so is Mickey Mantle, Willy Mays, Sandy Koufax, Hank Aaron, etc. and yes Derek Jeter. The fact that he isn't as good as those listed is inconsequential if he's still better than like half the other players in there. The fact that none of them were unanimous just speaks to the idiocy of the voters more than anything.
From what I understand, he essentially was a liaison between the analytics department and the players. His job was to lay out what the AD was giving to him to the players in a way that they could grasp it and use it to better their game.
I really like the Mets choice here. They could've bungled this in many ways but I don't think they did. I would not be surprised if Rojas turns out to be a really good manager.
darko
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Well to be fair the sign stealing system was already in place when Verlander got there. Not sure what you wanted him to do in that situation.
I guarantee you--I bet my house, my firstborn, whatever--that the Astros and Sox were/are not the only teams doing things like this. It's the tip of the iceberg. The question is whether MLB really wants to look at the rest of the iceberg, or if they want to hope it just goes away and no one else comes forward. My bet is on the latter. They'll come down hard on HOU and BOS and let it serve as a warning to the other clubs still actively engaged in this.
East Coast Bias
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I had no idea Rojas was part of the Alou family until this to be honest. Moises was the man.
Dude was as pure a hitter as there was in the 90/2000s. He hit .342 in half a season (328 AB) with the Mets. At the age of 40. Loved that dude.
Dude was as pure a hitter as there was in the 90/2000s. He hit .342 in half a season (328 AB) with the Mets. At the age of 40. Loved that dude.
@JCProdigy is right.
"His responsibility as quality control coach was synthesizing that advanced information and translating it into useful pieces for the rest of the coaching staff and the players."
What the Mets like about Luis Rojas — and the challenges...
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