OT: MLB Thread XLIII

[True Blue]

I think that's fair. Wheeler would be a decent depth addition, similar to Paxton last year. I agree they need to continue to develop their own guys but that will take years.

I'm hopeful that by moving a position player or two they can find a 25-26 year old #3 from someone.

With a bit of a stronger bullpen, if they were to start the year with Tanaka, Severino, Paxton & Wheeler, I would be petty comfortable with that.

 

[NYR Viper]

With a bit of a stronger bullpen, if they were to start the year with Tanaka, Severino, Paxton & Wheeler, I would be petty comfortable with that.

If someone was to guarantee to me that those 4 would be healthy I'd be fine. I just don't see that happening.

 

[True Blue]

Then maybe Cashman will be the only Yankees GM in history to have two consecutive decades where the team doesn't make the World Series. Damn lucky to have him and Hal, we Yankees fans are.

That is just pure obfuscation. It has not been 20 years since their last title.

Giving Judge a long term deal at 31 will be disastrous for the franchise if he continues to show that he doesn't have the skill of staying healthy which he hasn't done throughout his career.

I think that he is getting it long before that. He is going to make a fortune in arbitration anyway. Yes, he got hurt, but make no mistake about it, he IS the franchise and one of the most marketable players in baseball. If not the most.

Betts got what, 10 million in arb. That was after 2 top ten MVP seasons (2nd, 6th) and two consecutive GG awards. At the time he only had missed 14 days to a concussion injure and then they signed a one year deal at 20 mil after he won the MVP award. Of course Aaron Judge has the one top ten MVP finish (2nd) and the ROY in same year and no GG. For some reason, these things count in arbitration. Big difference is Judge has missed 131 days due to injury.

And then they avoided arbitration by paying him $20m. Which means that the thought was that he would make basically just as much. GMs do not pay very much over perceived arbitration payouts. If they thought that he would make $10 again, then they would go to arbitration for another year. So that is about the standard. Keep playing the arbitration game with Judge and you will wind up spending around $100m.

I know you are just touting the economic reality that the Yankees brain trust has DECIDED THEMSELVES to work under. While it does mean we'll just have to accept it, it doesn't mean us fans have to happy about it.

They decided not to have the crippling effects of trying to sign players under the luxury tax. That was the smart move. You need not be happy about it. But the economics today are FAR different than they were in the 90's.

This era is feeling very much like the 80s era that a grew up on where the Yanks had the most wins of any MLB team during the decade but didn't have any world series wins to show for it.

Clearly remembering that era and it feels like NOTHING the way it does now.

 

[True Blue]

If someone was to guarantee to me that those 4 would be healthy I'd be fine. I just don't see that happening.

Chances you take. You get the same thing with Cole. Look at how many innings he threw this year and how many pitches. Look at the extra work in the post season. He will be 30 next year. I would be very leery of an injury.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I get it. I know you are not the type.

My biggest plan would be to develop our own. Sevy is supposed to be the ace. He was supposed to be our #1. I would also look at someone like Wheeler and continue to strengthen the bullpen.

Sevy has shown nothing to make me think that he is going to be an ace. Doesn't have the mentality.

 

[JCProdigy]

Most good GMs tend to look past one or two year windows. They are not all like Dombrowski.

I know what you mean but funny enough, the last time Cashman acted like Dombrowski (2008 offseason) he brought the Yanks their last WS ring.

Trading Judge is not really an option. Not now and not when he is 31. That is not happening. Not with what he is worth to the franchise. So that is unrealistic.

Trading Stanton is possible, but the market for him it minute due to the salary. And those two teams or so, need to have a need in the outfield. Red Sox and LA is out. So where are you trading him?

And again, remember that Cole is 29, just threw the best season by far and is bound to have a regression. Signing such pitchers to 7 or 8 year deals that take them to 37 or so years old is generally not a fantastic idea these days. You will be paying him for what he has done and not likely to do again. I would much rather go forward with Torres and Judge.

If trading Judge is not an option at any point than that is the Yankees doing the exact opposite of what you want, thinking long term. I'm not saying it's an automatic option but, as much as it pains me because I love the guy, it should always be an option.

Cole will likely have a regression (Just like Jacob DeGrom this season where instead of pitching like an advanced alien species, he just pitch like a super human) but his talent is still elite going forward.

 

[romba]

Having a healthy Betances might have led to less Crapavino appearances in the playoffs. That injury really hit us hard in the end.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Want no part of Wheeler.

 

[JCProdigy]

That is just pure obfuscation. It has not been 20 years since their last title.

Me thinks you don't know what that word means. I wasn't trying to obscure anything. All I said was if they don't do what may be needed to put the team over the top, whether by trade or signing, then we will be looking back in another 10 years at the Yanks without a WS victory.

think that he is getting it long before that. He is going to make a fortune in arbitration anyway. Yes, he got hurt, but make no mistake about it, he IS the franchise and one of the most marketable players in baseball. If not the most.

Yep they probably will try to sign him long term soon just like Sevie. I'm saying, that on the field where it counts, it can be a mistake. I do like how you brush aside his injury history though while in the Rangers threads were using Trouba's against him. Judge has gotten hurt 3 out of the last 4 years and 4 of the last 7 due to non-contact injuries. I don't think that's likely to go away in his 30s.

And then they avoided arbitration by paying him $20m. Which means that the thought was that he would make basically just as much. GMs do not pay very much over perceived arbitration payouts. If they thought that he would make $10 again, then they would go to arbitration for another year. So that is about the standard. Keep playing the arbitration game with Judge and you will wind up spending around $100m.

He has three years of salary arbitration. Where are you getting 100m in those three years from? Now who's trying to obfuscate the facts with outlandish numbers?

Here's is the current arbitration salary projection list. Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2020

They decided not to have the crippling effects of trying to sign players under the luxury tax. That was the smart move. You need not be happy about it. But the economics today are FAR different than they were in the 90's.

Yeah it is different from the 90s. The yankees are clearing way more profit now than they were then...ya know when they hadn't won a WS in 18 years and Steinbrenner wanted to move the Yanks to NJ because "Nobody wants to come to the Bronx".

That's just me being cute. I know what you mean with the salary tax but we just have two different beliefs here. You choose to believe what MLB and the Yankees are saying to you and I look at the hard and projected numbers and their trends and do not believe. I have come to the understanding that it wouldn't cripple the Yankees at all but I due concede that it would eat into their bottom line a little bit which they have deemed unacceptable. In the end it's their team, and they can do what they want but, again, I don't have to stick my head in the sand and be happy about it.

Clearly remembering that era and it feels like NOTHING the way it does now.

Weirdly enough, that era didn't feel like a success at all, you are right. Go ask Yankee fans which franchise had the most wins during the 80s decade. I bet most of them would be shocked at the answer. The Yanks won 91 games in '83 97 games in '85, and 90 in '86. Difference was there was no division series or WC. Put a whole different feel to the decade.

Well I think we both know how each other feel and no use beating this to death even more. At least the Yanks are not the dumpster fire that is much of the rest of the NYC professional sports landscape.

 

[JCProdigy]

Having a healthy Betances might have led to less Crapavino appearances in the playoffs. That injury really hit us hard in the end.

Honestly, taking away the emotions of losing once again to the Astros, coming up short of their the goal, which has produced a multitude of hot takes, the numerous late season injuries really hit the Yankees hard. Not only was Betances unavailable but we were basically asking, Stanton, Encarnacion, Sanchez, and then Hicks to come into the postseason cold and produce. I don't know how realistic that was.

DiDi didn't look right all season after coming back from TJS. Don't know if Ottavino got tired at the end or just was going through a bad spell (like all pitchers do) at the most horrible time.

Want no part of Wheeler.

So far really, all Wheeler has proven to be is a league average pitcher going into his age 30 season. At least he's averaged 30 starts and 193 IP the last two years.

 

[True Blue]

Sevy has shown nothing to make me think that he is going to be an ace. Doesn't have the mentality.

Opinions vary

 

[True Blue]

If trading Judge is not an option at any point than that is the Yankees doing the exact opposite of what you want, thinking long term. I'm not saying it's an automatic option but, as much as it pains me because I love the guy, it should always be an option.

Everything is an option. Some are just less likely than others.

Cole will likely have a regression (Just like Jacob DeGrom this season where instead of pitching like an advanced alien species, he just pitch like a super human) but his talent is still elite going forward.

For how long? And how many more innings did Cole throw than DeGrom?

Me thinks you don't know what that word means. I wasn't trying to obscure anything. All I said was if they don't do what may be needed to put the team over the top, whether by trade or signing, then we will be looking back in another 10 years at the Yanks without a WS victory.

That's not what you said. What you said is below:

Then maybe Cashman will be the only Yankees GM in history to have two consecutive decades where the team doesn't make the World Series. Damn lucky to have him and Hal, we Yankees fans are.

Two consecutive decades imply 20 years. He is not staring at that.

Yep they probably will try to sign him long term soon just like Sevie. I'm saying, that on the field where it counts, it can be a mistake. I do like how you brush aside his injury history though while in the Rangers threads were using Trouba's against him. Judge has gotten hurt 3 out of the last 4 years and 4 of the last 7 due to non-contact injuries. I don't think that's likely to go away in his 30s.

Are you seriously comparing Trouba to Judge? Why not simply compare Superman to Underdog?

He has three years of salary arbitration. Where are you getting 100m in those three years from? Now who's trying to obfuscate the facts with outlandish numbers?

Those are projections. I am thinking he gets more. I also think that there is no way the Yankees want to get into a contentious engagement here.

Well I think we both know how each other feel and no use beating this to death even more. At least the Yanks are not the dumpster fire that is much of the rest of the NYC professional sports landscape.

Should have just fast forwarded to this as I would have agreed. Though I will say that I do have hope with the Rangers. And if you think this is bad? Try being a Redskins fan

 

[Machinehead]

****ty team hires ****ty FO, who knew.

I wouldn't even dishonor my bum by wiping it with an Astros jersey.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Opinions vary

I'd love for him to prove me wrong.

 

[17futurecap]

Stop spending 50 million a year on the pen would be a good start.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Stop spending 50 million a year on the pen would be a good start.

Not a fan of the Royals strategy I take it. LOL!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Honestly, taking away the emotions of losing once again to the Astros, coming up short of their the goal, which has produced a multitude of hot takes, the numerous late season injuries really hit the Yankees hard. Not only was Betances unavailable but we were basically asking, Stanton, Encarnacion, Sanchez, and then Hicks to come into the postseason cold and produce. I don't know how realistic that was.

DiDi didn't look right all season after coming back from TJS. Don't know if Ottavino got tired at the end or just was going through a bad spell (like all pitchers do) at the most horrible time.



So far really, all Wheeler has proven to be is a league average pitcher going into his age 30 season. At least he's averaged 30 starts and 193 IP the last two years.

Id bet everything I own that he doesn’t average that over the next 2 years.

 

[17futurecap]

The hell is wrong with this dude?

 

[Bob Richards]

This dude absolutely f***ing sucks and it makes that disastrous Astros press release yesterday even more embarrassing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Astros are douchy?

I’m shocked.

 

[nyr2k2]

The hell is wrong with this dude?

Well I retract my "I doubt his dumbassery was intentional" comment from earlier. f*** this guy.

 

[darko]

Astros are *****y?

I’m shocked.

It's one guy and not a whole organization. Hope he never works in baseball again.

 

[Cassano]

It's one guy and not a whole organization. Hope he never works in baseball again.

Racist player

 

[darko]

Racist player

We also employ a guy who choked his girlfriend and then fired 8 shots in the air.

 

[ThirdEye]

Suck it Cole