Toggle sidebar

OT: MLB Thread XLI: Dog Days

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
  • We're expeting server maintenance on March 3rd starting at midnight, there may be downtime during the work.
Status
Not open for further replies.
jas said:
Not for nothing, but a healthy Nimmo would halve made a huge difference this year.
Click to expand...
It's not for nothing, a very valid point.
Nimms could very well be a perennial .290 hitter
Has decent power
One of the best strike zone eyes in baseball

But what might be every bit as important......his pitches per AB.
Makes pitchers work. That HAS TO a count for something good. Don't know what the stats are, but anytime you consistently drive up opposing pitchers, pitch count......has to be a very good thing.
Imagine starters having to be pulled nearly a full inning earlier because of his elongated at bats. With bullpens the way they are, easily could equate to a few more wins here and there.

I clamored for his return, knowing he could possibly be that extra "juice" in the Mets half full glass. Hasn't let me down.
 
Mets fans deserve better than what they get from ownership.

There always seems to be bright spots and promise, but also a serious lack of ability or willingness to capitalize on it.
 
Edge said:
Mets fans deserve better than what they get from ownership.

There always seems to be bright spots and promise, but also a serious lack of ability or willingness to capitalize on it.
Click to expand...
I think their biggest issue is talent evaluation. Both when it comes to FAs and prospects this past season is a great example.

If they knew what they had in Jeff McNeil, do they still make the Cano trade? McNeil has put up the numbers they would hope to get from Cano. They weren't sold on Alonso either.

FA-wise, how much different would this team look if they didn't sign Famlia and Lowery and signed LeMahieu and Ottavino, instead?

With ownership reluctant to really spend, you can't have the misses this team has had.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Greg02, Cassano and jas
Thats scary to hear about Mark Langston on air.Suffering a heart attack in the booth so bad they had to restart it with the paddles.So scary,and thank god they were able to.I suffered 2 in March,so i sure know how it feels.Hoping for a speedy recovery for Mark.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
I think their biggest issue is talent evaluation. Both when it comes to FAs and prospects this past season is a great example.

If they knew what they had in Jeff McNeil, do they still make the Cano trade? McNeil has put up the numbers they would hope to get from Cano. They weren't sold on Alonso either.

FA-wise, how much different would this team look if they didn't sign Famlia and Lowery and signed LeMahieu and Ottavino, instead?

With ownership reluctant to really spend, you can't have the misses this team has had.
Click to expand...

It’s a vicious combination.

Ownership continues to be reluctant to spend, which means they have to be damn near perfect in a number of areas. Obviously they aren’t, so you get what you have here.

But the Mets also have weird juju hanging on them in which it seems like the pieces never quite line up. They’ll have 3 or 4 guys have very good years and then have 3 or 4 others who underachieve for various reasons. Then the next year, it’ll be different names underachieving and exceeding expectations.

Frankly, there’s no reason why the Mets shouldn’t have better assets and more resources to utilize. That’s on the Wilpons.

New York teams have a distinct competitive advantage over other markets. When they struggle, it’s almost always directly tied to poor ownership, which in turn drives the management.
 
Edge said:
It’s a vicious combination.

Ownership continues to be reluctant to spend, which means they have to be damn near perfect in a number of areas. Obviously they aren’t, so you get what you have here.

But the Mets also have weird juju hanging on them in which it seems like the pieces never quite line up. They’ll have 3 or 4 guys have very good years and then have 3 or 4 others who underachieve for various reasons. Then the next year, it’ll be different names underachieving and exceeding expectations.

Frankly, there’s no reason why the Mets shouldn’t have better assets and more resources to utilize. That’s on the Wilpons.

New York teams have a distinct competitive advantage over other markets. When they struggle, it’s almost always directly tied to poor ownership, which in turn drives the management.
Click to expand...
I think you and I are saying more or less the same thing. For sure the Wilsons are bad owners.
 
Edge said:
Yeah, I am agreeing with you.

Which goes back to my original statement, Mets fans deserve better. They really do.
Click to expand...
We do.

What is exciting is for the first time in a long time there appears to be a solid nucleus of young position players (Alonso, McNeil, Rosario, Davis, Conforto, Nimmo) to go along with what should still be a good rotation.
 
Edge said:
Mets fans deserve better than what they get from ownership.

There always seems to be bright spots and promise, but also a serious lack of ability or willingness to capitalize on it.
Click to expand...
Wilpons are the problem because they hire the GMs and managers ultimately, but they've been spending enough and going for it in trades.

No one pointed a gun to their head to trade their farm system for Cano and Diaz.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
I think their biggest issue is talent evaluation. Both when it comes to FAs and prospects this past season is a great example.

If they knew what they had in Jeff McNeil, do they still make the Cano trade? McNeil has put up the numbers they would hope to get from Cano. They weren't sold on Alonso either.

FA-wise, how much different would this team look if they didn't sign Famlia and Lowery and signed LeMahieu and Ottavino, instead?

With ownership reluctant to really spend, you can't have the misses this team has had.
Click to expand...

They want the facade of spending competitively, so they say, 'look, we went after Cano, we're not cheap". But, everything turned out to be payroll neutral. BVW came in with a mission to put a winner around his former client, deGrom. He didn't draft Kelenic, (and supposedly Minaya pushed him in the direction that he should be dealt instead of Gimenez). Considering how much time McNeil has spent in the outfield, keeping Bruce and Swarzak, in addition to Kelenic and Dunn would have served them better, as they wouldn't be anchored to the contracts of Cano and Familia, as well as the dilemma of Diaz.
 
Last edited:
jas said:
They want the facade of spending competitively, so they say, 'look, we went after Cano, we're not cheap". But, everything turned out to be payroll neutral. BVW came in with a mission to put a winner around his former client, deGrom. He didn't draft Kelenic, (and supposedly Minaya pushed him in the direction that he should be instead of Gimenez). Considering how much time McNeil has spent in the outfield, keeping Bruce and Swarzak, in addition to Kelenic and Dunn would have served them better, as they wouldn't be anchored to the contracts of Cano and Familia, as well as the dilemma of Diaz.
Click to expand...

I agree with you on the idea of the "facade of spending"

But they across as cheap in the Cano deal too by giving up a better prospect(s) to get Seattle to eat more salary.
 
Edge said:
It’s a vicious combination.

Ownership continues to be reluctant to spend, which means they have to be damn near perfect in a number of areas. Obviously they aren’t, so you get what you have here.

But the Mets also have weird juju hanging on them in which it seems like the pieces never quite line up. They’ll have 3 or 4 guys have very good years and then have 3 or 4 others who underachieve for various reasons. Then the next year, it’ll be different names underachieving and exceeding expectations.

Frankly, there’s no reason why the Mets shouldn’t have better assets and more resources to utilize. That’s on the Wilpons.

New York teams have a distinct competitive advantage over other markets. When they struggle, it’s almost always directly tied to poor ownership, which in turn drives the management.
Click to expand...

they don’t really have an identity. Everything is day to day swings bc the owners are poor. Relatively speaking.

The GM never operates knowing more than what he has now. He might have some cash next offseason, he may not. He may have some money to eat at the deadline but maybe not. It’s an impossible task for anyone in that role, though the ones they have chosen haven’t been my favorites.

Sometimes they’re big market, sometimes they’re the A’s. If you wanna be a Tampa/Oakland, ok. But you need to spend to build the scouting infrastructure for that and have an aligned plan. They never do any of that. Its GMs trying to play moneyball bc attendance was down last season and they got less than they thought.
 
Side note, while watchin Mets.
Out of Pete's 50, I counted
20 to RF (maybe 13 of his 1st 26 or so.
5 to center......more if u consider a left or a little right.
25 to LF, again a little less or more.
 
I agree, you could tell by the moves they got to acquire Cano and sign Lowrie that they weren't 100% sold on McNeil and Alonso coming into this season, and to a lesser extent, Rosario. Especially with Lowrie, he was going to be an everyday utility player, playing 3rd, short and 2nd depending on whether the kids played well or someone needed a day off, etc. Turns out all three of those young players have been excellent and guys you want in the lineup every day. I especially remember all the fretting over Alonso's defensive ability during the winter and spring training, and even though people around the Mets talked about he's undeniable hitting talent, they always seemed to be too hung up on the fielding. He's no Keith Hernandez but their evaluations of their own players honestly are a cause for concern. They weren't confident about these guys in the beginning to really commit to them. Plus they have guys in their organization who are talented hitters but don't seem to have a position with the team anymore because there's no DH (yet) in the NL. JD Davis can hit but isn't a good or even average left fielder. Dom Smith hit this year but he's a first baseman and that's Alonso's job now, and Smith didn't look too good in left field either.
 
Also, 7 games over has been the high water mark. Remember, we had that once before right prior to losing these 6 to Chi/Atl.

After losing to the Marlins right after the break we had a -50 run differential 424-474. Since then we have outscored opponents by +94. (324-230) Sitting at 748-704 before today.
Not bad considering where they were.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom