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OT: MLB Thread - Part XVI: Come On. Do Something.

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nyr2k2 said:
The Mets need to overhaul the rotation. Syndergaard, deGrom are givens. Matz has talent. Lugo is fine as a 5. Who knows what you do with Wheeler and Harvey. I'm looking for two starting pitchers.
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I'm pretty pessimistic about the SP right now as well (besides DeGrom), but I don't think this is a total overhaul. Keeping the two best players and half of Wheeler/Matz/Lugo/Harvey isn't that drastic, and will be necessary as long as the Wilpons own the team (unless their overwatch team makes them filthy rich :laugh::laugh::laugh:).

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Flexen being called up is exciting. Most must watch game of the season so far?
 
SP is fine. 1 and 2 are as good as any 1, 2 in the league. Then we got a bunch of maybes, but Wheeler, Matz, Gsellman have shown they can pitch very well, if they can maintain a healthy season, something none of them has done this season. Lugo can do a job, Montero hasn't been terrible the last number of starts. And if we get anything from Harvey, its a bonus. We have Flexen and Molina in AA. They could be useful by next year.

The season is over, close up shop, and get ready for next season. Last thing we need is anyone else to get injured.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
People think Las Vegas is some power hitters bandbox, I saw an article not too long ago that explained why it isn't. Its a hitters park, but not for power, mostly for average. The outfield there completely discourages power as there's a really big wall nearly around the whole outfield, and CF is 433.

Smith's problem is how his game profiles at the position he will play. He's in a vacuum a good hitter and a good fielder, but he doesn't have a typical hitting profile for a 1B, and his defensive profile limits him to 1B.
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That first paragraph is pure rubbish.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Then explain to me why I'm wrong.

I can't remember where I read this article and I can't find it right now, but it explained it very well.
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Warmer weather. When the air is warm it expands. When it expands it's lower density therefore the ball travels further.
 
Wheeler has pitched 85 innings the last three seasons. Counting on him for ANYTHING is probably a mistake. Certainly a gamble.

Matz can't stay healthy for more than a month at a time. Again, he's a huge risk.

Gsellman has pitched 45 really good innings and then 75 terrible innings. Who knows what he really is? He had a dominant two-seam fastball last year but it sucked terribly this year. He can try to compete for a spot in ST but that's it. Same for Lugo. You don't really know what those guys are and if they can be successful for a full year.

Harvey still may never fully recover. Can't be counted on.

Montero has shown he can pitch okay against bad teams when the games don't matter. He shouldn't be in the conversation.

Any rookies, fine, hope they're good. But you can't count on them.

Point is if you want to compete next year you need better than two sure things (one of whom, again, is coming off a serious injury) and a bunch of maybes and mediocre guys.
 
darko said:
Warmer weather. When the air is warm it expands. When it expands it's lower density therefore the ball travels further.
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Well if his point was that the conditions have a more drastic affect on GB vs FB I think he'd actually be right. The sunbaked infield will play much faster than most, if not all of the ones in the majors.

The warm air+elevation will for sure make it easier to hit balls that travel further though. Plus that isn't even taking into consideration all of the other parks in the PCL that are really easy to hit in.
 
Despite all the issues, the Yankees are only 2 games back heading into the trade deadline. I'm expecting them to make a move to bolster the rotation.
 
Chief Ranger said:
Despite all the issues, the Yankees are only 2 games back heading into the trade deadline. I'm expecting them to make a move to bolster the rotation.
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I am nervous about this move.

But if you are going to make the move you did to bolster the bullpen then you might as well make the move for the Starter. I also think Todd Frazier will get hot down the stretch. Just dont want to give up a ton for Gray (injury issues) or Darvish (free agent to be).
 
RGY said:
I am nervous about this move.

But if you are going to make the move you did to bolster the bullpen then you might as well make the move for the Starter. I also think Todd Frazier will get hot down the stretch. Just dont want to give up a ton for Gray (injury issues) or Darvish (free agent to be).
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I don't want to give up a lot either. I can live with no moves to the rotation at the deadline, only because they bolstered their bullpen with the acquisition of Robertson and Kahnle. They should help shorten games, similar to the Royals strategy that led them to a championship.
 
Chief Ranger said:
I don't want to give up a lot either. I can live with no moves to the rotation at the deadline, only because they bolstered their bullpen with the acquisition of Robertson and Kahnle. They should help shorten games, similar to the Royals strategy that led them to a championship.
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Meh, I know, but being that they are only 2 GB of the Red Sox, and imo are a deeper team in every area than the Rays and Red Sox aside from the issue of having a solid #1. Tanaka has been better and Severino has been good all year. But they need a starter who can guarantee 6-7 innings. Darvish is a guy who could really put this team over the top. I am not sure if Gray is that guy although he has good stuff.
 
The same as it would be for Gray.

If someone held a gun to my head and I had to give up Florial for one or the other, I'd do it for Darvish over Gray even with his controllable years. Darvish gives you the best chance to win this year and I'm not at all confident in Gray's ability to stay healthy (as I've stated a billion times in here.)
 
Geoff Gorden said:
The same as it would be for Gray.

If someone held a gun to my head and I had to give up Florial for one or the other, I'd do it for Darvish over Gray even with his controllable years. Darvish gives you the best chance to win this year and I'm not at all confident in Gray's ability to stay healthy (as I've stated a billion times in here.)
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Thoughts on signing Darvish long term?
 
Depends on the money/term, but I'd lean towards no since he's most likely going to be paid very well.

We've seen some silly contracts handed out to pitchers who aren't that good (Shark) and even ones who were/are (Price, Cueto.)

He's probably looking at something between Cueto and Price. Not my money, but I can't see the Yankees being very interested in that.

I think they have their ace in Severino for as long as his arm holds up. Too bad that Tanaka picked this year to suck. If they're going to splurge on starting pitching, the 2018 class would probably be a better bet.
 
I know nothing has been made of it here, but Jose Reyes getting 500 SB is quite the accomplishment. 2000 hits and 500 SB. Not too many players end up with numbers like that. You have to wonder if he didn't have the leg issues earlier in his career if he'd be north of 600 SB.
 
deGrom dating back to June 12th: 8-0, 1.61 ERA, 61.2 IP, 58 K, 12 BB, 0.83 WHIP. :clap:

It seems like he's been dialing it back on the strikeouts, pitching way more efficiently and going deeper into ballgames. Before June 12th he had 94 K in 72 IP--11.4 K per 9 innings. 58 in 61.2 is still 8.5 K/9 which is nothing to sneeze at but it's interesting to see how much better he's been with nearly a 3 K/9 reduction.
 
Truth is Yankees could give up their entire farm other than Torres and still have a Severino, Gray, Montomery, Judge, Frazier, Sanchez, Didi, Betances core. With guys like Hicks, Monty, Castro, Kahlne, Green, etc all on the MLB team. Who cares if you had a top 5 system then?
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Absolutely nuts to give up Florial for Darvish if you have no intention of keeping him.
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I agree that if you are going to give up someone like Florial, with where the Yankees are at, the intentions for Darvish cannot be just as a rental. The Dodgers may make a move like that because they have been lingering around WS contention for the past however many years, but not the Yankees. Because while adding Darvish could very well put them over the top, they could just as easily stay put, hold onto Florial and contend with the strategy of having the deep bullpen.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Truth is Yankees could give up their entire farm other than Torres and still have a Severino, Gray, Montomery, Judge, Frazier, Sanchez, Didi, Betances core. With guys like Hicks, Monty, Castro, Kahlne, Green, etc all on the MLB team. Who cares if you had a top 5 system then?
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You should.

Or at least you should care about getting back the right established talent for your futures.

And just to clarify, I'm not advocating Florial for Darvish but if given the choice between Gray or Darvish with Florial having to go the other way, I'd choose Darvish since he would give the team a better chance at winning right now. Gray is good, but hes not an ace plus I would bet a large sum of money that he goes on the shelf with a major arm injury before his contract runs out.

If they can get Gray on their terms, great. If not, they shouldn't feel the need to overpay now for a good, not great talent with major injury risks. Between now and the 2018 deadline someone better will become available. The core guys you listed aren't going anywhere so there isn't any pressure to get something done now like there was with the Jays 2 years ago.
 
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