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OT: MLB Thread - Part XVI: Come On. Do Something.

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Geoff Gorden said:
The Cubs have made the NLCS and won the WS in the last 2 seasons.

Yeah, I think they're a tad bit more established than the Yankees are.

They didn't start to get crazy with trades until last year when they were running through the league and were pegged as the WS favorite.

I don't understand the rush with the Yankees. They're not a contender and even with Gray, I don't see them taking out Houston or Cleveland, particularly the Indians.
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That doesn't mean they're not a contender... With those 3 pitching at their best they can compete with anyone especially with their bullpen and the way they can score runs.

and again, Gray is more than just 2017, he helps in 2018 and 2019 too.
 
You're making a huge assumption that Gray stays healthy enough to make it through 2019 with out another serious setback.

Tanaka has had good starts this season only to get knocked around for a few right after. He is anything but reliable. I'm comforted in the fact that he actually shut down a good offense for once in his last start but the reality of his recent stretch is he's done well against some horrible offenses for the most part.

That is not going to happen in October unless they get the Red Sox.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
You're making a huge assumption that Gray stays healthy enough to make it through 2019 with out another serious setback.

Tanaka has had good starts this season only to get knocked around for a few right after. He is anything but reliable. I'm comforted in the fact that he actually shut down a good offense for once in his last start but the reality of his recent stretch is he's done well against some horrible offenses for the most part.

That is not going to happen in October unless they get the Red Sox.
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His track record says he's a very good pitcher tho, more than April and May starts
 
The Yankees are in the driver's seat. Absolutely no reason to write off a division title in Late July over redundant prospects.

Theyve struck gold with half a dozen prospects -- all playing and contributing right now. You're doing them a disservice if you dont make attempts to make this a stronger club for the playoffs.
 
LOL the Mets just DFA'd Edgin and kept Salas to get Ramos onto the roster, what the hell is that. A guy who is a FA stays but a guy signed for 3 years is DFA'd?
 
Don't think it's a big deal Edgin is awful. Would rather they have neither Edgin nor Salas next year. He's not even that good vs lefties.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
The Yankees are in the driver's seat. Absolutely no reason to write off a division title in Late July over redundant prospects.

Theyve struck gold with half a dozen prospects -- all playing and contributing right now. You're doing them a disservice if you dont make attempts to make this a stronger club for the playoffs.
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I just am not a big fan of Gray or Garcia. So far with one down they've not given up anything that's extremely upsetting but I wouldn't overpay for Gray who to me is very overrated
 
Lol at Gray being overrated.

Hes not. Hes good when hes healthy but the problem is hes tiny and his mechanics will lead to injury.

This would be like me saying that Syndergaard is very overrated.
 
SA16 said:
Don't think it's a big deal Edgin is awful. Would rather they have neither Edgin nor Salas next year. He's not even that good vs lefties.
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No way Salas is back. I know Reed wants to close but I'm not letting him go to Washington if I'm Sandy. Given how much money is coming off the books I'm going to match or beat any deal the Nats offer him. If he takes less money to close well then at least I tried, but no way am I letting a team with no closer get the only legit closer more or less on the market this winter who also just came from my organization.
 
Why? If Washington makes the best offer I would just give him to Washington. Who cares what he helps them do the rest of the year? Do what you can to make your team the best. It's not like he has a long term contract and you're worried about him beating you.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Lol at Gray being overrated.

Hes not. Hes good when hes healthy but the problem is hes tiny and his mechanics will lead to injury.

This would be like me saying that Syndergaard is very overrated.
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Not trying to be THAT guy but honestly Syndergaard IS overrated. Not VERY overrated but overrated. He cannot get very deep into games so unless you have an elite bullpen he's definitely a somewhat overrated starter. Scherzer and Santana both had similar issues to Syndergaard when they were in their first few seasons and both progressively got better at pitching to contact in certain situations vs trying to strike guys out. If you look at both guys after about year 4 in their careers they consistently got into the 7th and 8th and beyond where as before that 7 innings was rare. I'm hoping we see Syndergaard become less prone to wasting pitches as he matures
 
SA16 said:
Why? If Washington makes the best offer I would just give him to Washington. Who cares what he helps them do the rest of the year? Do what you can to make your team the best. It's not like he has a long term contract and you're worried about him beating you.
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It can make a difference in the standings. If the Mets had been healthy this year they're probably leading the division now thanks to the Nats lousy pen. If the Nats had a decent bullpen no way would the Mets have had a shot, even healthy. That's where the difference is, not necessarily in heads up games. The market is thin this winter so if you can continue to make that a glaring weakness for them you should take advantage
 
BMOK33 said:
I just am not a big fan of Gray or Garcia. So far with one down they've not given up anything that's extremely upsetting but I wouldn't overpay for Gray who to me is very overrated
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Gray isnt overrated. He's just riskier than previous big name targets.

I think the rationale is they have a solid bullpen and just need 5-6 decent innings per start. They want to secure the division and avoid the one-game playoff. I think its worth the risk.
 
I've come to realize that every single pitcher you can acquire or sign or draft comes with injury risk, its the nature of pitching, its volatile, Kershaw has spent a ton of time on the DL the past 2 years with back problems not even arm problems, with that said you can never have too much pitching, Gray would fit the Yankees at their price.
 
BMOK33 said:
Not trying to be THAT guy but honestly Syndergaard IS overrated. Not VERY overrated but overrated. He cannot get very deep into games so unless you have an elite bullpen he's definitely a somewhat overrated starter. Scherzer and Santana both had similar issues to Syndergaard when they were in their first few seasons and both progressively got better at pitching to contact in certain situations vs trying to strike guys out. If you look at both guys after about year 4 in their careers they consistently got into the 7th and 8th and beyond where as before that 7 innings was rare. I'm hoping we see Syndergaard become less prone to wasting pitches as he matures
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He got better with it last season, and a lot of it is that Collins has been scared to let pitchers go that deep in games since Santana's injury.
 
Noah is far from overrated. It's yet to be seen if he'll be able to string together multiple seasons of 6+ WAR but basically whenever he's on the mound, including this season, he's dominant at everything except holding on runners.
 
Littell had a chance to be a #4/#5 guy. Garcia helps back end of the rotation. I won't lose any sleep over losing Littell.
 
I see so many people are saying "Gray is not an ace" and I can agree with this, is Gray an ace? no he's more like a high 2, but has had some ace like years with Oakland in 2014 and 2015

Here's the kicker, Estevan Florial and/or Jorge Mateo do not get you an "ace" or even a "#1". Yankee fans need to stop saying they want one of those pitchers if they're unwilling to take Gleyber, Frazier, etc.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
I see so many people are saying "Gray is not an ace" and I can agree with this, is Gray an ace? no he's more like a high 2, but has had some ace like years with Oakland in 2014 and 2015

Here's the kicker, Estevan Florial and/or Jorge Mateo do not get you an "ace" or even a "#1". Yankee fans need to stop saying they want one of those pitchers if they're unwilling to take Gleyber, Frazier, etc.
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Right now they may not.

With continued progress, Florial can be the piece to get you that guy a year from now.

Again, I don't understand the rush. They can win the division without Gray this year. Blowing all of these pieces now is only going to come back to bite you when you don't have those bullets left to use on a bigger target.

The current Gray is a 2/3 IMO. He was excellent pre injury and isn't the same guy now (hes still good.)
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Right now they may not.

With continued progress, Florial can be the piece to get you that guy a year from now.

Again, I don't understand the rush. They can win the division without Gray this year. Blowing all of these pieces now is only going to come back to bite you when you don't have those bullets left to use on a bigger target.

The current Gray is a 2/3 IMO. He was excellent pre injury and isn't the same guy now (hes still good.)
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If he's a #2 here (or even a #3) because Tanaka finds it, how is that a bad thing?.. Remember when Hernandez used to be a "4" here?
 
He will be relied on to be better than that here and the whole team control thing is up in the air because there is an excellent chance he goes on the shelf with another long term injury.

Their chances of winning anything this year are very small with Gray (I think they can take the division without him.) I don't have any confidence in his ability to help this team after 2017, hence I'm of the belief that the Yankees should stay away from getting stupid and should only trade for Gray on their terms.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
He will be relied on to be better than that here and the whole team control thing is up in the air because there is an excellent chance he goes on the shelf with another long term injury.

Their chances of winning anything this year are very small with Gray (I think they can take the division without him.) I don't have any confidence in his ability to help this team after 2017, hence I'm of the belief that the Yankees should stay away from getting stupid and should only trade for Gray on their terms.
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Yes we both agree with that... on their terms, but Yankee fans are like I'm not trading this guy or that guy or this guy for him, its crazy, we've become prospect huggers.
 
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