OT: MLB Discussion Thread: Part XXIV

[Filthy Dangles]

So this makes sense as to why people love Machado, but aren't Stanton's numbers still good?

122 wRC+, .350 wOBA and .261 avg with RISP (right in line with his regular average) tells me he is a very good player as well?

Yes those are still good numbers but not as good as Machado's who is a better situational hitter.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yes those are still good numbers but not as good as Machado's who is a better situational hitter.

Got it, thanks!

 

[BMOK33]

So this makes sense as to why people love Machado, but aren't Stanton's numbers still good?

122 wRC+, .350 wOBA and .261 avg with RISP (right in line with his regular average) tells me he is a very good player as well?

Stanton’s weakness is that the guy has epic slumps beyond what most generally imagine as a slump. When he goes into one he can literally strike out in 60-70% of his at bats over the course of 3 weeks to a month. He did it last year and he had a similar slump in 2017 with Miami. I believe in a 4 game series vs the Mets he went 0 for 17 with 14 strikeouts. That’s usually enough to damage his stat line severely for a season and if it happens to come in October you are screwed. I can’t think of any player whose slumps are as bad as his. Duda had severe slumps and Cliff Floyd used to as well but I don’t recall them ever getting to the point where if you simply needed a fly ball or a grounder to the right side that they became incapable of it for weeks. I would still take Stanton on my team every day regardless

 

[RGY]

 

[LeetchisGod]

Stanton’s weakness is that the guy has epic slumps beyond what most generally imagine as a slump. When he goes into one he can literally strike out in 60-70% of his at bats over the course of 3 weeks to a month. He did it last year and he had a similar slump in 2017 with Miami. I believe in a 4 game series vs the Mets he went 0 for 17 with 14 strikeouts. That’s usually enough to damage his stat line severely for a season and if it happens to come in October you are screwed. I can’t think of any player whose slumps are as bad as his. Duda had severe slumps and Cliff Floyd used to as well but I don’t recall them ever getting to the point where if you simply needed a fly ball or a grounder to the right side that they became incapable of it for weeks. I would still take Stanton on my team every day regardless

I agree with this for the most part. I have never seen a supposedly elite player look as bad as Stanton does at times. When he is in one of his slumps, he looks like he's never hit a baseball before. It's mind boggling. He hits home runs. I find every other part of his game underwhelming.

 

[BMOK33]

I agree with this for the most part. I have never seen a supposedly elite player look as bad as Stanton does at times. When he is in one of his slumps, he looks like he's never hit a baseball before. It's mind boggling.

I don’t even think Judge’s 2017 slump was as bad as any of Stanton's and it was darn bad

 

[LeetchisGod]

I don’t even think Judge’s 2017 slump was as bad as any of Stanton's and it was darn bad

Judge was also a rookie playing with a bad shoulder.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Boras sounds delusional.

Joel Sherman thinks Happ to Yanks is going to happen.

Holy shit Borea$$ looks like Harvey Weinstein.

 

[SA16]

Let's be fair here. Stanton's worst month last year he had a 97 wRC+ which is barely below average.

Machado had a 61 wRC+ in May 2017 and a 53 in Sept/Oct 2017.

To say Stanton goes into huge slumps and Machado doesn't is just plain wrong.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Let's be fair here. Stanton's worst month last year he had a 97 wRC+ which is barely below average.

Machado had a 61 wRC+ in May 2017 and a 53 in Sept/Oct 2017.

To say Stanton goes into huge slumps and Machado doesn't is just plain wrong.

To be honest, I'm not that enamored with Machado either. But at least he provides gold glove caliber defense at a more important position and I believe that he would provide better at bats in big spots.

 

[2Leetch_94]

Also says Yankees remain in mix for Britton.

Rays sign Morton for 2/30.

 

[RGY]

We should be signing:

Happ
Britton
Ottavino
Machado
Miller (if possible which i think it is to bring in 3 relievers).
Backup INF possibly otherwise its Wade.

Ultimately I wanted to trade Andujar for an SP only because you could sign Manny for 3B, Gleyber to SS, then sign Murphy for 2B. Slide Murphy to 1B when Didi comes back

 

[darko]

So this makes sense as to why people love Machado, but aren't Stanton's numbers still good?

122 wRC+, .350 wOBA and .261 avg with RISP (right in line with his regular average) tells me he is a very good player as well?

Stanton's numbers are good. Don't listen to the haters.

 

[darko]

He's a worse hitter and a much better defender.

Machado is slightly better hitter while being miles better defensively.

 

[darko]

Boy you're quick, @Brooklyn Rangers Fan

He knows. Hears it from his wife all the time.

@Brooklyn Rangers Fan

 

[LeetchisGod]

Stanton's numbers are good. Don't listen to the haters.

Would you want Stanton at the plate in a crucial spot in the playoffs?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Would you want Stanton at the plate in a crucial spot in the playoffs?

Same things were said about arod with a much larger body of work.

Then 2009 happened

 

[sbjnyc]

Would you want Stanton at the plate in a crucial spot in the playoffs?

Machado has a 213/268/382 slash line in 89 post-season ABs. Stanton's is 238/273/381 in 22 ABs.

 

[Inferno]

Machado is slightly better hitter while being miles better defensively.

Stanton was a pretty good right fielder wasn't he? I never got the impression that he was poor....it's just that judge is better.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Stanton was a pretty good right fielder wasn't he? I never got the impression that he was poor....it's just that judge is better.

He was okay.

Machado is a gold Glover at 3rd though.

 

[One Winged Angel]

He was okay.

Machado is a gold Glover at 3rd though.

Machado is a platinum glover at 3rd. Meaning he's better defensively at his position than anyone at any position in the game.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Machado is a platinum glover at 3rd. Meaning he's better defensively at his position than anyone at any position in the game.

Yeah he’s really, really good.

They really should give the platinum glove to andrelton Simmons every year though.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Machado is a platinum glover at 3rd. Meaning he's better defensively at his position than anyone at any position in the game.

Yeah he’s really, really good.

They really should give the platinum glove to andrelton Simmons every year though.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Machado is a platinum glover at 3rd. Meaning he's better defensively at his position than anyone at any position in the game.

Chapman's better and Arenado is right there with him. The player you are describing is Andrelton Simmons.

 

[Machinehead]

Every tweet that comes out says something to the effect of "the Yankees have talked but it didn't really go anywhere because they won't agree on a price."

We're prospect hugging again.