OT: MLB Discussion Thread: Part XXIV

[GoAwayPanarin]

That's a couple people saying Thor is unlikely to go in this deal. Which makes sense. Seems like the Mets could get Realmuto without Syndergaard being involved at all, if they want, and then they could theoretically use him for something else (though acquiring Realmuto leaves some need at CF but not really anywhere else).

Having Thor in a Realmuto deal just doesn't make sense. He's arguably the most valuable piece, so to package him for any one other player would be crazy.

Actually after reading that Tweet I actually think moving Thor makes more sense then it did before.

Im far from a Rosario fan but Rosario+Nimmo is a pretty decent start to a nice haul, thats 2 major league players who the Mets would have to replace. I've sene Pollock thrown around but hes not a safe bet to stay healthy at all.

Those are every day guys and young ones, one is well above average/All Star Quality already. As talented as Thor is, that arm is a ticking time bomb. I don't think they want a replay of the Harvey situation (yes I know there were extra circumstances there, but they literally let him break down to the point where they got virtually nothing for him in return.)

 

[nyr2k2]

Yeah, the reality is there is no more Evil Empire. There's so much money in the game that there are quite a few teams that can spend huge amounts of money. Even though there's no cap, it will probably get to be like hockey where while not every team has the financial might to carry a high payroll, everyone can conceivably compete, and there will always be a few teams that can attract and pay for the big-ticket guys.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Yeah the upgrade from our current C's to Realmuto would be huge. The downgrade from Nimmo to Pollock would also be large, but probably not as big as the improvement on the other side.

There's also stuff out there saying the Mets were talking to the Rangers, about pitching (from us) and outfielders (from them). So the Mets have a million things going on. That's why no one should get too bent out of shape about any single tweet--I've read BVW has a ton of things he's juggling and that definitely seems to be the case. Unless something comes out as "imminent," I wouldn't get too excited.

I'll give BVW credit, people worried he couldn't manage a front office. He's been filling the coaching staff and working a ton of trade possibilities, in a short period. He seems to be acquitting himself well.

Count me as one who was worried about him, but I guess he does have a ton of contacts given his history.

With the downgrade to Pollock, if he stays healthy I don't see a downgrade in fact its an upgrade. But I give him a 25% chance staying healthy a full year. But then you have Lagares to fill in and spell him so I kinda like the option there.

I'm sure a lot of the tweets we're seeing are smoke and mirrors. With that much on the table BVW is prolly trying to drive prices up.

 

[RGY]

 

[nyr2k2]

Actually after reading that Tweet I actually think moving Thor makes more sense then it did before.

Im far from a Rosario fan but Rosario+Nimmo is a pretty decent start to a nice haul, thats 2 major league players who the Mets would have to replace. I've sene Pollock thrown around but hes not a safe bet to stay healthy at all.

Those are every day guys and young ones, one is well above average/All Star Quality already. As talented as Thor is, that arm is a ticking time bomb. I don't think they want a replay of the Harvey situation (yes I know there were extra circumstances there, but they literally let him break down to the point where they got virtually nothing for him in return.)

I would not be opposed to moving Thor, but I'd really only be interested in doing it if the Mets were getting back young pieces and a young arm. Like say they get Realmuto without him--are they really going to go for a CF using Thor? If so, he needs to be young, cheap, controllable, and part of a package that brings back some other young talent. Not for an older, established guy. Not interested in that.

Doesn't mean the Mets will do it my way, though.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It’s amazing how much Nimmo is getting underrated, even by his own fanbase. Go sign Grandal.

 

[RGY]

If true, our options are dwindling. Have to think, or hope, Cash is all in on one of Kluber/Bauer/Thor. Keuchel is not an acceptable add.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If true, our options are dwindling. Have to think, or hope, Cash is all in on one of Kluber/Bauer/Thor. Keuchel is not an acceptable add.

Or other.

Who is other? No f***ing idea

 

[RGY]

Looking less likely.

Indians it is to make the deal

 

[Cassano]

Yeah, the reality is there is no more Evil Empire. There's so much money in the game that there are quite a few teams that can spend huge amounts of money. Even though there's no cap, it will probably get to be like hockey where while not every team has the financial might to carry a high payroll, everyone can conceivably compete, and there will always be a few teams that can attract and pay for the big-ticket guys.

The Dodgers are the team that are closest to that title and it hurts as a Yankee fan.

 

[nyr2k2]

The Dodgers are the team that are closest to that title and it hurts as a Yankee fan.

Yeah, understandable. That will probably be the thing moving forward--investment groups buying teams dumping their obscene wealth into thenlm, instead of single/majority owner franchises with one "face of the franchise." I mean it's already happening I feel like, and probably will continue. In 50 years all the teams will probably be owned by groups of hedge fund managers or something.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Hopefully after all this Realmuto talk, the Mets go sign Ramos or Grandal this week, the Yankees move onto other things, and the Marlins are left desperate trying to peddle him. f*** that organization.

 

[Cassano]

Interesting timing of the word 'fish'.

 

[darko]

Hopefully after all this Realmuto talk, the Mets go sign Ramos or Grandal this week, the Yankees move onto other things, and the Marlins are left desperate trying to peddle him. **** that organization.

Watch Marlins win a WS before Yankees/Mets.

 

[darko]

Interesting timing of the word 'fish'.

Or he's a very keen fisherman haha

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Watch Marlins win a WS before Yankees/Mets.

I will not watch that.

 

[Bob Richards]

Watch Marlins win a WS before Yankees/Mets.

Marlins have made the playoffs twice in franchise history and won the World Series each time and oh god I f***ing hate this sport.

 

[darko]

Marlins have made the playoffs twice in franchise history and won the World Series each time and oh god I ****ing hate this sport.

Next time they win the division it'll be their first.

 

[nyr2k2]

It’s amazing how much Nimmo is getting underrated, even by his own fanbase. Go sign Grandal.

Nimmo is great and I really want to keep him around. However, I do wonder if he'll be able to repeat the power. His HR/FB was almost 18% and a lot higher than ever before. Accordinly, his ISO was dramatically higher than it has ever been before at any level. I mean his 17 homers were almost as many as he hit at all levels in 2016 and 2017 combined. Finally, his BABIP was also very high at .351. So, I'm not totally sold on the great offensive numbers being sustainable.

I think he probably ends up more as a 2.5-3.5 WAR player rather than the 4-5 WAR player he was last season. Steamer projects him at 2.4 WAR next year. Just a projection though! He could be a late bloomer, which would make sense given his background. I want to keep him, but if he's the centerpiece for an established star, I'd be okay moving him.

 

[Machinehead]

Interesting timing of the word 'fish'.

We're looking for a very particular type of fish in particular places. If not, we'll watch the Red Sox win #5.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We're looking for a very particular type of fish in particular places. If not, we'll watch the Red Sox win #5.

The marlin is a fish.

I cracked the code.

Edit: SO IS A TROUT

 

[Ghost of jas]

Nimmo is great and I really want to keep him around. However, I do wonder if he'll be able to repeat the power. His HR/FB was almost 18% and a lot higher than ever before. Accordinly, his ISO was dramatically higher than it has ever been before at any level. I mean his 17 homers were almost as many as he hit at all levels in 2016 and 2017 combined. Finally, his BABIP was also very high at .351. So, I'm not totally sold on the great offensive numbers being sustainable.

I think he probably ends up more as a 2.5-3.5 WAR player rather than the 4-5 WAR player he was last season. Steamer projects him at 2.4 WAR next year. Just a projection though! He could be a late bloomer, which would make sense given his background. I want to keep him, but if he's the centerpiece for an established star, I'd be okay moving him.

3rd best OPS+ in the NL last year. .400 OBP. And yet, he gets tossed around like he’s an add-on. Him and Conforto should anchor that OF for the next five years. And the dumbass manager should be leading him off and put Rosario in the 8 hole. There’s a lot of stupid around the Mets right now.

 

[nyr2k2]

3rd best OPS+ in the NL last year. .400 OBP. And yet, he gets tossed around like he’s an add-on. Him and Conforto should anchor that OF for the next five years. And the dumbass manager should be leading him off and put Rosario in the 8 hole. There’s a lot of stupid around the Mets right now.

I mean I understand his numbers from last year. His OBP will always be high. His underlying numbers suggest, to me anyway, that the power may not be repeatable. But again, who knows, maybe it is. That's all I was saying.

 

[RGY]

 

[Ghost of jas]

I mean I understand his numbers from last year. His OBP will always be high. His underlying numbers suggest, to me anyway, that the power may not be repeatable. But again, who knows, maybe it is. That's all I was saying.

You’re just giving me a chance to vent at the stupidity I’m seeing and hearing. This isn’t directed at you.