OT: MLB Discussion Thread: Part XXIII

[LeetchisGod]

And the year before he hit .271 with 44 bombs off of RHP. There are some pretty damn good RHP's in the NL east too.

He still had a 115 OPS+ against RHP last year, which is well above average.

Think that he may have a better year after having a year to adjust to the league? I do.

That was a career year that I don't believe that he will replicate. He hit .231 against righties in 2016. Last year was much more in line with the norm.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That was a career year that I don't believe that he will replicate. He hit .231 against righties in 2016. Last year was much more in line with the norm.

.260 and nearly a 900 OPS in 2015.
.274 and a .918 OPS the season before that.

If anything, last year was the outlier.

Also, why are we using batting average?

 

[SA16]

Why are we using batting average?

 

[LeetchisGod]

Why are we using batting average?

Being able to get hits is important. Look at the teams who won the last two titles.

 

[offdacrossbar]

moving kelenic would be so mets.

kids got a pure bat.

dont. do. it.

 

[Ghost of jas]

moving kelenic would be so mets.

kids got a pure bat.

dont. do. it.

He’s a big time prospect. This scares me. Just let this fall apart.

 

[2Leetch_94]

Heyman reports Yankees have interest in Realmuto.

The Astros are believed willing to include Kyle Tucker, who is the type of lefthanded hitter the Marlins like, but probably not top pitching prospect Forrest Whitley. The issue with the Yankees’ talks apparently is that they still hold Gary Sanchez in high enough regard that they have resisted offering other top pieces in a package with Sanchez. The Marlins, who are run by ex-Yankee types (Derek Jeter, Gary Denbo) seem to like Sanchez as well but are hoping for a major package for Realmuto.

 

[Cassano]

That is a meaningless collection of names lol

Two guys who were worse than Cano and two guys who.....were the best bats on the Mets?

They all became overpaid albatrosses shortly after their acquisitions.

This rumored deal is terrible for the Mets. The guy they picked 6th last yr to take on Cano's terrible contract and a reliever when guys like Kimbrel, Miller,DRob are available. And the Syndergaard rumors to top it off is even worse. I would be worried about the FO if these decisions come to fruition.

 

[Cassano]

Jon Heyman: Astros, Dodgers, Yankees all showing interest in J.T. Realmuto

I would be okay with moving Gary+ for him, that's the only deal that makes sense imo.

Well we need a 1B instead and we can rotate him and Gary there. I would go all in for him...

 

[nyr2k2]

They all became overpaid albatrosses shortly after their acquisitions.

This rumored deal is terrible for the Mets. The guy they picked 6th last yr to take on Cano's terrible contract and a reliever when guys like Kimbrel, Miller,DRob are available. And the Syndergaard rumors to top it off is even worse. I would be worried about the FO if these decisions come to fruition.

Oh come on, the Wright thing was completely unforeseeable. Even Cespedes' injuries were bad luck. Cuddyer and Bruce were bad, though Bruce had a 123 wRC+ after he came back and could still redeem himself. I mean everyone thought the Granderson deal was horrible after one season and he ended up being a very good player for the Mets. Maybe swap Bruce out with Bay or something until Bruce proves he sucks.

Also, speaking of sucks, Cassanate, really? Talk about a guy with not a single admirable quality.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Heyman reports Yankees have interest in Realmuto.

About the only type of deal I'd be okay with trading Sanchez in.

Realmuto is awesome and mashes away from Marlins Park.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Being able to get hits is important. Look at the teams who won the last two titles.

Not why they won, but okay.

 

[Bob Richards]

They all became overpaid albatrosses shortly after their acquisitions.

Are you actually drawing a meaningful connection between those names and a salary retained Cano? Or are you just using empty buzzwords because bad contracts in the past means you should never ever bother with them again?

Cuddyer made $8 for one year.

Bruce blows and none of us wanted him back. Cano in 80 games last year put up better a better WAR year than all but 2 seasons in Bruce's entire career.

Yoenis and Wright is a gigantic lol. Were we just supposed to let them walk? Because they would suffer terrible health problems after we signed them?

 

[East Coast Bias]

They signed Wright after the 2012 season, in which he had a 7 WAR.

Injuries after 2013 season ruined him, but the guy was a great player. It sucks that missed so much time with injuries, but man it sucks even more that people forgot or newer/younger fans just didn't see him in his prime.

He was incredible.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Not why they won, but okay.

Why did they win then? The Astros and Red Sox consistently got clutch hits. Stanton is one of the last guys in our lineup that I would want at the plate in a clutch situation in the postseason.

 

[RGY]

Heyman reports Yankees have interest in Realmuto.

If its not a 1-for-1 swap then im not interested. Gary had a terrible year so you cannot judge him based of the recent srour memory. He still has potential. Of course, however, I would prefer Realmuto who is a more flexible hitter, not so one dimensional, stays on the ball longer, hits to all fields more consistently.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why did they win then? The Astros and Red Sox consistently got clutch hits. Stanton is one of the last guys in our lineup that I would want at the plate in a clutch situation in the postseason.

The Astros had a lower batting average than the Yankees did during their 7 game set...

According to you, we should have won.


And there are much better offensive stats than batting average, which has almost become the +\- of baseball.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If its not a 1-for-1 swap then im not interested. Gary had a terrible year so you cannot judge him based of the recent srour memory. He still has potential. Of course, however, I would prefer Realmuto who is a more flexible hitter, not so one dimensional, stays on the ball longer, hits to all fields more consistently.

Gary is a better hitter.

Let’s not go nuts here. I like realmuto a bunch and he’s a great 2 way player, but Sanchez’s bat is incredible when he’s right.

Yankees are right to still value him highly.

 

[Machinehead]

The most dominant pitcher of all-time came down from the heavens 49 years ago today.

 

[nyr2k2]

The most dominant pitcher of all-time came down from the heavens 49 years ago today.

Minnie Minoso?

Psyche, I know you're talking about either Scotty Alcock or Shadow Pyle.

Psyche again, relievers should be separated from starters though.

 

[Machinehead]

Minnie Minoso?

Psyche, I know you're talking about either Scotty Alcock or Shadow Pyle.

Psyche again, relievers should be separated from starters though.

It was Kit Keller from A League of Their Own.

 

[nyr2k2]

In the starter division, Pedro and Randy Johnson were the two most dominant, IMO, in my life. I saw a few good years of Nolan Ryan as well. Clemens is up there. Maddux and Glavine were also amazing, but they weren't "dominant" the way the other guys were. Like Pedro and Randy, they would just wreck your shit.

I'm probably forgetting guys.

 

[RGY]

Gary is a better hitter.

Let’s not go nuts here. I like realmuto a bunch and he’s a great 2 way player, but Sanchez’s bat is incredible when he’s right.

Yankees are right to still value him highly.

I said JT is a more flexible hitter, and quite honestly he really is. You presented the keyword, when Gary is “right.” When is not right is a horror show with his mechanics. Doesnt stay on the ball, shoulder flys open, and he constantly rolls over his wrists pulling everything. I see more consistency in Realmuto’s mechanics and hitting approach, maybe less power but overall more consistencty.

But I did not say he is definitely better either. Just different hitters imo.

 

[Bob Richards]

In the starter division, Pedro and Randy Johnson were the two most dominant, IMO, in my life. I saw a few good years of Nolan Ryan as well. Clemens is up there. Maddux and Glavine were also amazing, but they weren't "dominant" the way the other guys were. Like Pedro and Randy, they would just wreck your ****.

I'm probably forgetting guys.

I totally understand what you mean.

I just marveled with Maddux because even though he wasn't a 300 K death hurler, he was the most efficient human being who ever lived.

Maddux threw 13 complete game shutouts in under 100 pitches. My hot take is that he never used the bathroom because his body utilized every last molecule of food.

 

[nyr2k2]

LOL, the other thing with Maddux and Glavine (and some other guys, but mainly them)--those dudes got calls a full foot or more off the plate. It was like they were known for painting corners, and the umps just rolled with it. Which was fine, it was a different era: no K-Zone and electronic monitoring of pitches, the area play, horrific takeout slides, the idea that if you dove for a lot of balls you were automatically great at defense, steroids, etc.