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thusk said:
playoff are always small simple 4-5-6-7 game if youre not good enought after that, youre out.... and we talking about playoff not regular season game

in 6 game last season against tampa, nylander cost more goal by lack of defensive work ( i count 4 goal) than what he bring in 3 series at 5v5 and for you, its okay because he was producing in pp?

again tonight after a great shift where he worked hard in the offensive end and winning physical battle, couple of second he had to backcheck on a 2v1 from florida and he forfeited at leafs blue line and florida almost scored because of it. After the rest of the team see this and 2-3 will start to do the same thing.

if youre not working hard in playoff at 5v5, you will not get the puck a lot and you will defend most of the time and it will be extremely hard to produce. Thats exactly why nylander still able to produce on pp but unable to produce at 5v5 and why keefe cant keep Nylander with Matthews ...because thats forcing Matthews to work 2X and waste 2X more energy to the same thing than when he was playing with marner.

Nylander having more skill than Marner but marner play harder and with more heart than Nylander and thats why marner easily outplayed nylander at 5v5 in playoff and its not even close.
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LOL. Enjoy your cherries.
ACC1224 said:
Hopefully he’s back by Wednesday. Team looks so out of sync without him.
(I know the simple thought is they win without him)
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ACC1224, trying to make the simple seem complicated since 2002. LMAO.
 
Antropovsky said:
Incredibly you seem to be unaware of all the critical mistakes Marner has made in huge games over the past 4 series.

Vs Montreal he attempted to deke an opponent at their blueline, which they stole the puck from him and scored. I believe this was game 6 or 7.

Vs Montreal he cleared the puck into the stands leading to a delay of game penalty.

Vs Tampa he attempted to send a hail Mary pass to Matthews in OT which was easily pucked of and led to the game 6 gwg.

Vs Tampa game 7 I believe, he had all the time in the world to clear the puck on a PK and instead of just slapping it down, decided to flip it high in the air and out of play. Leading to delay of game penalty and a gwg against.

Another Tampa goal was Marner in his defensive zone, and because of his lack of good lower body strength, he tripped after a light stick infraction (he falls everywhere in the pp). Tampa picked up loose puck and scored.

There is no player on this team is remotely close to Marner in team crushing boneheaded plays that led to goals against. Ask numerous of my favorite posters (tongue and cheek), they got tires of me bringing up these bone headed plays and posting the video breakdowns.
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Missing a play is a thing, everybody missing play no exception... hockey its a game of mistake... but missing a play because you dont want to work its an other thing... and did you breally tried to bring back every mistake he did in 3 years?!?!?!

Ps its fun your talking about habs series from a defensive perspective where marner gave up only 1 5v5 goal all series long...

Yes marner will do mistake but he will make more great play than bad and he will NEVER forfeit/stop playing in any play even if he's extremely exhausted.

the fact is nobody producing as much primary points from core at 5v5/ 60 min played than him, no body allowed goal even if he was playing close to 20% more than nylander and even if he was the only player wwsting a lot of energy playing on pk.

Nylander had been on the ice for the same amount of goal in his last 175 minutes ( last playoff) at 5v5 in playoff than marner in his last 402 min, its also a fact ( last 3 years)
 
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ACC1224 said:
Hopefully he’s back by Wednesday. Team looks so out of sync without him.
(I know the simple thought is they win without him)
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Hoping the kid can quick shake off the rust and help stifle Tampas top line again. I am very interested in seeing how the depth players will play under that shelter. If they can continue with their ways, it will be a good sign.
 
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Notsince67 said:
Hoping the kid can quick shake off the rust and help stifle Tampas top line again. I am very interested in seeing how the depth players will play under that shelter. If they can continue with their ways, it will be a good sign.
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DarkKnight said:
The PP looks a disjointed mess without him. Also we really miss him to close out games, again last night without him we see guys we should never see on the ice and we pay for it.

Hopefully back Wednesday, and I’d ease him into the lineup, leave the Matthews line alone.
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I'm guessing we won't see him until Saturday.
 
meefer said:
I suppose it's that over an 1101 game career he's scored 1033 points, a 0.94/g rate. If that 0.06 difference is the cause of an 'amazing' need to 'desperately' over credit him...well, what can you do but call those folks out for all their crazy talk.
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I have no problem with 'nearly ppg' or 'close to ppg', but for a poster who is constantly quoting minute statistical differences and making them out to be vital, his obsession with 'ppg' as though it was a magic wand that made a player untouchable makes it odd that this the only one he's imprecise about.
 
notDatsyuk said:
I have no problem with 'nearly ppg' or 'close to ppg', but for a poster who is constantly quoting minute statistical differences and making them out to be vital, his obsession with 'ppg' as though it was a magic wand that made a player untouchable makes it odd that this the only one he's imprecise about.
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Fair enough, I don't know the background so I should have kept my nose out of it.
 
meefer said:
Fair enough, I don't know the background so I should have kept my nose out of it.
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Not at all - questioning something is the easiest way to learn.

My dad used to say "the only stupid question is the one you didn't ask".
 
notDatsyuk said:
It's impressive how you can find 'mistakes' that Nylander supposedly made that nobody else can see, and yet can't see any mistakes made by anyone else.

What is your problem with him?

A statement like "marner play harder and with more heart than Nylander and thats why marner easily outplayed nylander at 5v5 in playoff and its not even close (sic)" is pretty clear evidence that your viewpoint is skewed.
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its not mistake, its lack of work. they're a difference between someone who try something and just missed his play and a guy who just totally stop playing for a second, 2,3,4,5 second...

Work is the basis to win in playoff on 200 feet of the ice 100% of the time. not working hard 100 feet ice 50% of the time.

watch every team who won the cup, you will see the same thing on every of those team no exception. They basically dont have any passenger on their team and everyone playing at 100% of what they can do. i dont talk about scoring, stats or whatever, just about work.

The day leafs will finally win it is the day they will stop playing with passenger...if this day happen one day and it was the same story with SJ couple of year ago... they can do all the move they want, until everone dont understand they cant take any shift off, leafs have no chance in playoff.
 
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4 consecutive games without a pp goal against? PK better without him? Jk, but the narrative before his injury was that he was the only good piece on a bad PK. And years before he apparently the primary reason the PK was good.
 
thusk said:
its not mistake, its lack of work. they're a difference between someone who try something and just missed his play and a guy who just totally stop playing for a second, 2,3,4,5 second...

Work is the basis to win in playoff on 200 feet of the ice 100% of the time. not working hard 100 feet ice 50% of the time.

watch every team who won the cup, you will see the same thing on every of those team no exception. They basically dont have any passenger on their team and everyone playing at 100% of what they can do. i dont talk about scoring, stats or whatever, just about work.

The day leafs will finally win it is the day they will stop playing with passenger...if this day happen one day and it was the same story with SJ couple of year ago... they can do all the move they want, until everone dont understand they cant take any shift off, leafs have no chance in playoff.
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None of which is relevant to my post, and almost exclusively just your opinion, but that's par for the course.
 
thusk said:
Missing a play is a thing, everybody missing play no exception... hockey its a game of mistake... but missing a play because you dont want to work its an other thing... and did you breally tried to bring back every mistake he did in 3 years?!?!?!

Ps its fun your talking about habs series from a defensive perspective where marner gave up only 1 5v5 goal all series long...

Yes marner will do mistake but he will make more great play than bad and he will NEVER forfeit/stop playing in any play even if he's extremely exhausted.

the fact is nobody producing as much primary points from core at 5v5/ 60 min played than him, no body allowed goal even if he was playing close to 20% more than nylander and even if he was the only player wwsting a lot of energy playing on pk.

Nylander had been on the ice for the same amount of goal in his last 175 minutes ( last playoff) at 5v5 in playoff than marner in his last 402 min, its also a fact ( last 3 years)
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I can tell you for certain that there was at least one play where Marner gave up an odd man rush late on a shift and while the play went the other way he went for a line change and Nylander was not even able to get into the play when he got a -1 and Marner got 0.

There are some times when basic stats don't tell the entire story.

BTW I'm still mystified why certain posters keep grouping 7 million dollar Nylanders play with 11 million dollar Marners play. Marner makes 57% more than Nylander.

I guess the comparisons to Nylander are just an acknowledgement that Marner is severely overpaid and should've been closer to 7 million than 11 million like many of us have pointed out.
 
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thusk said:
its not mistake, its lack of work. they're a difference between someone who try something and just missed his play and a guy who just totally stop playing for a second, 2,3,4,5 second...

Work is the basis to win in playoff on 200 feet of the ice 100% of the time. not working hard 100 feet ice 50% of the time.

watch every team who won the cup, you will see the same thing on every of those team no exception. They basically dont have any passenger on their team and everyone playing at 100% of what they can do. i dont talk about scoring, stats or whatever, just about work.

The day leafs will finally win it is the day they will stop playing with passenger...if this day happen one day and it was the same story with SJ couple of year ago... they can do all the move they want, until everone dont understand they cant take any shift off, leafs have no chance in playoff.
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The islanders dynasty was a team that learned this. When they started to win in the playoffs, they could barely stand after the game.
 
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Fogelhund said:
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I sure hope this isnt to give some forwards an extended look. Keefe's deployment strategy is very questionable these days. Even last post game, he talked about the things he didn't like yet gets no grind on deploying the 4th line in the closing minutes of a game where momentum is being lost.
Tre needs to get on top of this guy.
 
Unless Marner is still not ready, I don't understand Keefe's strategy at all.

He loves giving our players 'rest' for the playoffs and it never works out. Meanwhile MacK/McDavid/Kucherov play every game they can but Keefe loves to scratch our stars at the end of the regular season for their much needed playoff rest.
 
Divine said:
Unless Marner is still not ready, I don't understand Keefe's strategy at all.

He loves giving our players 'rest' for the playoffs and it never works out. Meanwhile MacK/McDavid/Kucherov play every game they can but Keefe loves to scratch our stars at the end of the regular season for their much needed playoff rest.
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He does?

I can't seem to recall players getting much rest before the playoffs in prior years. Nylander played 82games last year, Marner and Tavares 80 games... and Matthews missed some games with an knee injury.
 
Fogelhund said:
He does?

I can't seem to recall players getting much rest before the playoffs in prior years. Nylander played 82games last year, Marner and Tavares 80 games... and Matthews missed some games with an knee injury.
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Yes, nearly every season our stars are scratched the last game or 2. I think we might be the only team that does that and we have the least playoff success.
 
DarkKnight said:
The PP looks a disjointed mess without him. Also we really miss him to close out games, again last night without him we see guys we should never see on the ice and we pay for it.

Hopefully back Wednesday, and I’d ease him into the lineup, leave the Matthews line alone.
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100%. Love Nylander but I'm a lot more comfortable watching Marner close out a game than him.

With Rielly & Liljegren out, I'd much rather see Marner at the top of the PP than Timmins.
 
Divine said:
Yes, nearly every season our stars are scratched the last game or 2. I think we might be the only team that does that and we have the least playoff success.
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Nylander wasn't. Matthews wasn't. Marner one game. Tavares one game.... mountain out of a mole hill. That's last year.

Year before... Nylander wasn't, Matthews wasn't, Marner wasn't.... I mean seriously... lol
 
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Nylander wasn't. Matthews wasn't. Marner one game. Tavares one game.... mountain out of a mole hill. That's last year.

Year before... Nylander wasn't, Matthews wasn't, Marner wasn't.... I mean seriously... lol
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Wasn't everyone scratched for the Tampa game last season?
 
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