Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[authentic]

Drai can score but has a negative defensive impact. He is in the bottom 12th percentile defensively in the league...well below replacement. Only Evander Kane on Oilers is worse as a forward and Drai is supposed to play center

You're right, swapping Marner for Draisaitl would probably not make us a better team even though he is generally viewed as the better player.

They arent wrong though. At this point if the new BT team falls flat in the POs... I do not care if they get rid of Marner or Nylander if even possible. JT expires soon enough but 2x 11m+ wingers is dumb. We need D and depth to win and we need it at a bargain price.

Matthews Marner
Matthews Nylander

Take your pick. Matthews stays JT and ______ need to go. If we keep both I dont see success in our cards. Maybe I am wrong

JT will be staying, he'll just sign for around 6-7 million or something.

 

[Racer88]

Citing the athletic isn’t a mic drop moment!

I know. It just another sports site with opinion. Not saying this about you but it certainly is a credible source to quote when someone is defending their favourite player

 

[ToneDog]

A lot of people blame Marner for taking too much but I actually blame Matthews. Or Dubas for signing Matthews first. He signed first and could have taken less. If Matthews was unwilling to take less it was psychotic to fantasize about Marner or Nylander or Hyman for that matter taking less

As one poster said, Matthews and Nylander took the rise and cap space plus $2m. You figure Tre could have talked both into taking a bit less. Instead he overpays Matty and then caves to Nylander who says I am not taking alot less than Matty so call me when you are ready to pay me. Marner will follow suit because these three are proven me first players and deserve all the shit and blame they get when they lose in the playoffs IMO.

 

[Racer88]

You're right, swapping Marner for Draisaitl would probably not make us a better team even though he is generally viewed as the better player.



JT will be staying, he'll just sign for around 6-7 million or something.

With all the bump up contracts with the other three if they pay Tavares 6-7 we will be in the same cap mess we have been in for the last 5 years. This team construction is not working, at least not with this group. if they flame out again major management and roster changes will be needed. We just can’t run the same crap yet again

 

[francis246]

As one poster said, Matthews and Nylander took the rise and cap space plus $2m. You figure Tre could have talked both into taking a bit less. Instead he overpays Matty and they caves to Nylander who says I am not taking alot less than Matty. Marner will follow suit because these three are proven me first players and deserver all the shit and blame they get when they lose in the playoffs IMO.

I don't really blame Tre, he was dammed if you, dammed if you don't. You can't let Nylander walk to UFA. You're not replacing him in this UFA crop and we don't have the assets to swing a trade for a good young player even if we have the cap space. People need to realize that most mistakes are made on July 1st. 99.9% of team regret their signings. There's that 0.1% of the time where you get a guy on an amazing value contract, but most of the time you end up overpaying. I don't mind paying Marner, Matthews and Nylander. You cannot give Tavares a big contract, we have to move on from 9-8 million of his $11 million when it expires next year.

 

[ToneDog]

With all the bump up contracts with the other three if they pay Tavares 6-7 we will be in the same cap mess we have been in for the last 5 years. This team construction is not working, at least not with this group. if they flame out again major management and roster changes will be needed. We just can’t run the same crap yet again

As much as I'd like Draisaitl over Marner, Draisaitl commands more money, and even more unless you can give his that 8th year..

 

[francis246]

You're right, swapping Marner for Draisaitl would probably not make us a better team even though he is generally viewed as the better player.



JT will be staying, he'll just sign for around 6-7 million or something.

JT isn't getting 6-7 million from Toronto. He might grab that on the open market. But if he wants to be a Leaf there is no way you can agree to give him 6 or 7 million.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't really blame Tre, he was dammed if you, dammed if you don't. You can't let Nylander walk to UFA. You're not replacing him in this UFA crop and we don't have the assets to swing a trade for a good young player even if we have the cap space. People need to realize that most mistakes are made on July 1st. 99.9% of team regret their signings. There's that 0.1% of the time where you get a guy on an amazing value contract, but most of the time you end up overpaying. I don't mind paying Marner, Matthews and Nylander. You cannot give Tavares a big contract, we have to move on from 9-8 million of his $11 million when it expires next year.

What you can blame Tre for is giving him a full NMC. If he does the same for Marner, we are done.

 

[authentic]

With all the bump up contracts with the other three if they pay Tavares 6-7 we will be in the same cap mess we have been in for the last 5 years. This team construction is not working, at least not with this group. if they flame out again major management and roster changes will be needed. We just can’t run the same crap yet again

I get it but I don't see him signing anywhere else. Plus the cap will rise as well so there will be more room for imrovement elsewhere.

 

[francis246]

What you can blame Tre for is giving him a full NMC. If he does the same for Marner, we are done.

lol, every player in the NHL has some sort of trade protection Tone. even fourth liners have NMC's and NTC's. It's pretty much standard. It doesn't mean the player can't be traded. It just gives the player the ability to control where he goes.

 

[ToneDog]

JT isn't getting 6-7 million from Toronto. He might grab that on the open market. But if he wants to be a Leaf there is no way you can agree to give him 6 or 7 million.

Agreed, with the 3 amigos making what they are making, you have to squeeze Tavares as much as possible. If he does not want to move his family, he needs to sign a very team friendly deal. I think he will because he wants to win a cup here and he is running out of years.

 

[thewave]

With all the bump up contracts with the other three if they pay Tavares 6-7 we will be in the same cap mess we have been in for the last 5 years. This team construction is not working, at least not with this group. if they flame out again major management and roster changes will be needed. We just can’t run the same crap yet again

As Herbert Walker Barrack Dubas said.. "We can and we will". I put no limit on the level of stupid that this organization comes up with.

 

[authentic]

JT isn't getting 6-7 million from Toronto. He might grab that on the open market. But if he wants to be a Leaf there is no way you can agree to give him 6 or 7 million.

Marleau got 6 million as a 38 year old over half a decade ago, safe to say he will be getting atleast 6 lol

 

[ToneDog]

lol, every player in the NHL has some sort of trade protection Tone. even fourth liners have NMC's and NTC's. It's pretty much standard. It doesn't mean the player can't be traded. It just gives the player the ability to control where he goes.

Agreed but not all players get full NMC for the life of the contract. Tre has pretty much bet everything on the 3 amigos by giving them full NMC for the life of the contract (assuming he does the same for Mitch).

Pasta - CLAUSE DETAILS: Years 1 - 5: NMC | Year 6: NMC + 8 team TO trade list | Year 7: 10 team TO trade list | Year 8: 10 team NO trade list

Helley/Scheifele - CLAUSE DETAILS: Starting July 1, 2027: Player submits a 10 team no-trade list

Marleau got 6 million as a 38 year old over half a decade ago, safe to say he will be getting atleast 6 lol

Sure but it won't or better not be here.

 

[Notsince67]

Marleau got 6 million as a 38 year old over half a decade ago, safe to say he will be getting atleast 6 lol

Yikes. I never even considered that.

 

[francis246]

Marleau got 6 million as a 38 year old over half a decade ago, safe to say he will be getting atleast 6 lol

yes and Lou is an idiot. Are you watching or keeping track with whats happening with Stamkos? He's in the exact same spot Tavares is, no contract and will expire at the end of this season. You don't have to sign someone if they won't take whats available for them.

 

[ACC1224]

Marleau got 6 million as a 38 year old over half a decade ago, safe to say he will be getting atleast 6 lol

Marleau was overpaid to leave his home and cap wasn't an issue until Dubas made it one.
You don't need to overpay a declining guy to stay at home.
Leafs have all the leverage with JT.

 

[Antropovsky]

Citing the athletic isn’t a mic drop moment!

Tell that to @Notsince67, it was that poster who initially cited The Athletic as saying Marner brought over 3 million more in value than his 11 million salary.

In response, I asked that poster what year the article was, because just a couple months ago The Athletic asked the question whether Marners game had enough substance.

 

[authentic]

Marleau was overpaid to leave his home and cap wasn't an issue until Dubas made it one.
You don't need to overpay a declining guy to stay at home.
Leafs have all the leverage with JT.

yes and Lou is an idiot. Are you watching or keeping track with whats happening with Stamkos? He's in the exact same spot Tavares is, no contract and will expire at the end of this season. You don't have to sign someone if they won't take whats available for them.

I would love it if he signed for cheaper, but does anyone realistically see that happening? That's all I'm saying. They would all consider 6-7 million a bargain. Same as people thinking Matthews was going to sign for under 13, Nylander under 11, etc.

 

[francis246]

I would love it if he signed for cheaper, but does anyone realistically see that happening? That's all I'm saying. They would all consider 6-7 million a bargain. Same as people thinking Matthews was going to sign for under 13, Nylander under 11, etc.

Yes, I’m expecting a 3 or 4 million contract from JT. 4x3. I think Brad has already done a good job resigning guys to team friendly deals. Lost the Nylander one but he’s won the next few after.

The leafs have full leverage. If JT wants to be a leaf and not uproot his family he’s going to take what’s available

 

[ACC1224]

I would love it if he signed for cheaper, but does anyone realistically see that happening? That's all I'm saying. They would all consider 6-7 million a bargain. Same as people thinking Matthews was going to sign for under 13, Nylander under 11, etc.

I think JT is going to come in under 5, even less if they really squeeze him.

 

[authentic]

Yes, I’m expecting a 3 or 4 million contract from JT. 4x3. I think Brad has already done a good job resigning guys to team friendly deals. Lost the Nylander one but he’s won the next few after.

The leafs have full leverage. If JT wants to be a leaf and not uproot his family he’s going to take what’s available

Damn, I don't think that's going to happen. Wishful thinking at best.

 

[francis246]

Damn, I don't think that's going to happen. Wishful thinking at best.

Why? He’s not an RFA, they can simply just walk from him.

 

[thusk]

I think if you were acquiring Nylander you would know that he doesn't really need great linemates. He creates a tonne all by himself, and you would know he plays 200 feet about 50% of the time.

He is 100% a plus asset, but he is who he is by now.

in regular season yeah, playoff is an other story.

Marner doesn't need great linemate, he had succes with everyplayer he playing with ( even with an old plekanec) + since he had 20, he played against top opposite matchup every playoff...


What making difference between team winning or losing is not skill or how long your attacking, how many figure skating you're doing in the offensive end... its how you defending, how many time you get back the puck on your stick and how hard you working. Marner drastically increase leafs in all those part of the game.

 

[arso40]

in regular season yeah, playoff is an other story.

Marner doesn't need great linemate, he had succes with everyplayer he playing with ( even with an old plekanec) + since he had 20, he played against top opposite matchup every playoff...


What making difference between team winning or losing is not skill or how long your attacking, how many figure skating you're doing in the offensive end... its how you defending, how many time you get back the puck on your stick and how hard you working. Marner drastically increase leafs in all those part of the game.

i love all our players but your going a little too hard for a player that disappears at the end of every series to down play a player that consistently gets the crums and finds a way to remain relevant yes marners a better defensive player for sure but i'll never forget that choke job against canadians with matthews as his centermen get out produced by willy with kerfoot and galy for christ sakes this might be the year we pull through but it sounds like your giving his 10.9 a pass when hes never brought it when it counted