Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Arzak]

4-1-1 without Marner. 29 goals for 18 goals against.

Matthews
6 gp 4 goals 11 points

Tavares:
6 gp 4 goals 11 points

Nylander:
6gp 5 goals 9 points

Top guys are thriving.

Yeah, the overall stat without Marner all of a sudden looks much better. It's like sample size always mattered

 

[Aashir]

I think the best thing that can happen for us when he comes back is he produces at ~95 point pace and helps the pk get to a ~79-81% and keep the pp aroud the same.

Carolina the 4-3 and 4-4 goals, Tonight on the pk and when RNH almost made it 5-4, i'd much rather have marner out there vs nylander. Nylander was actually very good on defence today, but he just doesn't think the game like marner in our zone.

I also would keep the domi-matthews line together until it starts to fall off, similar to how we kept domi-nylander together. If this allows means marner also being there (I don't think this works), or marner somewhere else with like JT, then I don't mind it. We can always go back to M&M and know it works, but you never know if Domi can work as the playmaker instead

 

[supermann_98]

In his defense, they are not the same without him.

Marner being away has a much bigger impact than any of the other 3 being away - including Matthews. Marner is the straw that stirs the drink.

4-1-1 without him, he's good... but I imagine that $11m instead being used on Pietrangelo or the like and they'd actually be legit contenders

 

[Notsince67]

4-1-1 without him, he's good... but I imagine that $11m instead being used on Pietrangelo or the like and they'd actually be legit contenders

Pietrangelo? Why don't we just clone Bobby Orr?

 

[ACC1224]

4-1-1 without him, he's good... but I imagine that $11m instead being used on Pietrangelo or the like and they'd actually be legit contenders

most people would imagine Tavares money being used for their fantasy lineup…..weird.

 

[supermann_98]

Pietrangelo? Why don't we just clone Bobby Orr?

Pietrangelo was an actual possibility when he was a UFA while last I checked Bobby Orr was retired

 

[Notsince67]

Pietrangelo was an actual possibility when he was a UFA while last I checked Bobby Orr was retired

The fantasies some of you guys come up with is extraordinary. You think assembling a team is like building lego. I mean heck...why don't I look like I am smart and say we had a chance at MacKinnon instead of signing Matthews for so much?

 

[Arzak]

The fantasies some of you guys come up with is extraordinary. You think assembling a team is like building lego. I mean heck...why don't I look like I am smart and say we had a chance at MacKinnon instead of signing Matthews for so much?

Signing the most expansive UFA in history in the form of JT you absolutely don't need on your second line? "No problem"

Signing Pietrangelo? "What is this fantasy? New Star Wars Lego movie?"

 

[Notsince67]

Signing the most expansive UFA in history in the form of JT you absolutely don't need on your second line? "No problem"

Signing Pietrangelo? "What is this fantasy? New Star Wars Lego movie?"

Simple thing signing whoever you want in the nhl.

 

[Arzak]

Simple thing signing whoever you want in the nhl.

I agree it's silly to think you can pick and choose an $11M replacement. But he was UFA and this is a hockey board. We are not talking about signing Brock Lesnar to beat Marchand.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I’m sure everyone agrees that this team is pretty much unwatchable when Marner is out of the lineup.

What an insult to our players this post was. I'm so happy that our team has proven that this was not only an insulting thing to say, but also not very intelligent. I don't know about anyone else (and I'm not in the habit of thinking I speak for everyone), but for me personally, that game last night had a little thing I like to call "watchability".

Here's another made up word - watchalicious.

I hope Mitch is back to 100% for the playoffs but in the mean time, maybe some people should concede that it's not like he's the only guy on the team that's good at playing hockey. Tough game coming up tonight, GLG!!

 

[Arzak]

What an insult to our players this post was. I'm so happy that our team has proven that this was not only an insulting thing to say, but also not very intelligent. I don't know about anyone else (and I'm not in the habit of thinking I speak for everyone), but for me personally, that game last night had a little thing I like to call "watchability".

Here's another made up word - watchalicious.

I hope Mitch is back to 100% for the playoffs but in the mean time, maybe some people should concede that it's not like he's the only guy on the team that's good at playing hockey. Tough game coming up tonight, GLG!!

It's Mitch or bust for some.

Mere speculation about what could be done with this team, plus 22M in cap space in JT and Marner allocated elsewhere makes some very uncomfortable (1D and goalie).

 

[studebaker17]

What an insult to our players this post was. I'm so happy that our team has proven that this was not only an insulting thing to say, but also not very intelligent. I don't know about anyone else (and I'm not in the habit of thinking I speak for everyone), but for me personally, that game last night had a little thing I like to call "watchability".

Here's another made up word - watchalicious.

I hope Mitch is back to 100% for the playoffs but in the mean time, maybe some people should concede that it's not like he's the only guy on the team that's good at playing hockey. Tough game coming up tonight, GLG!!

Last nights game was the 1st game since Mitch's been out that the Leafs actually played a decent team well . It's been a strange series of games over the last bit of boring games .

 

[Sypher04]

Last nights game was the 1st game since Mitch's been out that the Leafs actually played a decent team well . It's been a strange series of games over the last bit of boring games .

I don’t really think that’s true.
Outside of 3 minutes they were much better than Carolina. They were better than Philly in their second meeting, but hit a ton of posts. They were much better than Washington. They handled Philly easily the first time they met this month.

By points percentage every team they have played in the last 5 is a playoff team and they’ve been the better team more than not

 

[studebaker17]

I don’t really think that’s true.
Outside of 3 minutes they were much better than Carolina. They were better than Philly in their second meeting, but hit a ton of posts. They were much better than Washington. They handled Philly easily the first time they met this month.

By points percentage every team they have played in the last 5 is a playoff team and they’ve been the better team more than not

I meant the teams they were playing were all seeming to have really off nights . Especially the Carolina game . Maybe the Leafs were just so good they made it look that way but honetly didn't feel like that to me . That's what i meant by strange series of games . Mix that in with some teams like the Caps , Habs and Buffalo the games have been expected wins.

 

[Gabriel426]

I meant the teams they were playing were all seeming to have really off nights . Especially the Carolina game . Maybe the Leafs were just so good they made it look that way but honetly didn't feel like that to me . That's what i meant by strange series of games . Mix that in with some teams like the Caps , Habs and Buffalo the games have been expected wins.

Personally, I don’t think it had much to do with having MM in the lineup then just team playing in a long season.
I do think MM and even Calle would had helped in the closing minutes against the Canes as they are pretty much are best defensive wingers.
Philly got the bounces until the 3rd period while also Leafs just didn’t look good that game too.

 

[studebaker17]

Personally, I don’t think it had much to do with having MM in the lineup then just team playing in a long season.
I do think MM and even Calle would had helped in the closing minutes against the Canes as they are pretty much are best defensive wingers.
Philly got the bounces until the 3rd period while also Leafs just didn’t look good that game too.

Agreed . I wasn't really infering Marner would of made it better or worse really although having him in defensive roles instead of some of the gys that were played probably would of been a plus. Just commenting on don't really think the teams playing exactly great although there has been some really good things lately to be happy about.
The line Mathews , Bert and Domi was really good against the Caps . They carried the play right to the net all night . Cap's are not very good so want to see that combo against a good team.
Against the Oilers Domi was again instrumental in creating a goal on Mathews line . The team , especially the d played much tougher to which is a much needed thing on this team .

 

[francis246]

It's Mitch or bust for some.

Mere speculation about what could be done with this team, plus 22M in cap space in JT and Marner allocated elsewhere makes some very uncomfortable (1D and goalie).

The team would be worse without those two. There’s no guarantee you get Pietrangelo. So you probably over spend in UFA. I rather have Tavares at his number and 5 good years of Tavares than 2 or 3 overpaid David Clarkson signings where we’d be looking to get out of their contracts 2 years into those deals.

The odds that the team is worse off with that 22mill is a lot higher than the odds that we’d be better without Marner and Tavares. Rather have two elite caliber players than 4 mediocre overpaid players

 

[Gary Nylund]

Last nights game was the 1st game since Mitch's been out that the Leafs actually played a decent team well . It's been a strange series of games over the last bit of boring games .

I don't think that's true at all but whatever, it's just a small sample of games and it doesn't prove anything either way. My point was that the post I quoted was absurd for a number of reasons, one of them being that it was jumping to conclusions after just one game without Marner. The main thing for me though is that that post was an insult to the rest of our players and I don't care who your favorites are, that's something that you just isn't done, period. I support the team, and that means I support every player on the team, it's that simple. And how the hell someone can call a team that has Matthews and Nylander on it unwatchable is beyond me and I think it's disgraceful to put down our other players in order to pump Marner's tires.

The team would be worse without those two. There’s no guarantee you get Pietrangelo. So you probably over spend in UFA. I rather have Tavares at his number and 5 good years of Tavares than 2 or 3 overpaid David Clarkson signings where we’d be looking to get out of their contracts 2 years into those deals.

The odds that the team is worse off with that 22mill is a lot higher than the odds that we’d be better without Marner and Tavares. Rather have two elite caliber players than 4 mediocre overpaid players

Maybe we'd have 4 mediocre overpaid players instead, but maybe not. What you've described is the worst case scenario, there are also other scenarios that are a lot more optimistic.

 

[nsleaf]

What an insult to our players this post was. I'm so happy that our team has proven that this was not only an insulting thing to say, but also not very intelligent. I don't know about anyone else (and I'm not in the habit of thinking I speak for everyone), but for me personally, that game last night had a little thing I like to call "watchability".

Here's another made up word - watchalicious.

I hope Mitch is back to 100% for the playoffs but in the mean time, maybe some people should concede that it's not like he's the only guy on the team that's good at playing hockey. Tough game coming up tonight, GLG

I don't think that's true at all but whatever, it's just a small sample of games and it doesn't prove anything either way. My point was that the post I quoted was absurd for a number of reasons, one of them being that it was jumping to conclusions after just one game without Marner. The main thing for me though is that that post was an insult to the rest of our players and I don't care who your favorites are, that's something that you just isn't done, period. I support the team, and that means I support every player on the team, it's that simple. And how the hell someone can call a team that has Matthews and Nylander on it unwatchable is beyond me and I think it's disgraceful to put down our other players in order to pump Marner's tires.

Poster doesn't realize he was baited. Narsacism at its finest.

 

[Antropovsky]

Without Marner the Leafs are now 10-5-4 since 2022 season. What's that now? 59% win percentage without him?

As for the above quoted stats. When context is given, the r3cord without Marner generally checks out as being much more than just "missing Marner". 5 of 13 losses were from 2019 when the Leafs lost 6 consecutive games and Babcock was subsequently fired. Leafs overall weren't good that year for a myrarid of reasons:

- leafs played two back to backs in the 6 games
- leafs played 4 out of 6 on the road
- leafs had no good backups, Hutchinson couldn't stop a beach ball
- During this period Hyman had been out at the beginning of the season with injury, and came back in the 2nd game of the 5 consecutive losses (still rusty)
- 4/5 losses were on the road
- Leafs were 6-8 in the month of October, with a win % of 42%. Marner played those games and was a minus player in 10 of 14.

Leafs also held Marner out of 4 games at the end of various seasons to rest him for playoffs. Leafs were 2-2 in those games. Which experienced fans knows that NHL players don't generally try hard in due to risk of injuries.

 

[DarkKnight]

Since Marner's injury we are 65 percent on the PK and 12 percent on the PP.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

It’s been 18 days since Mitch suffered his “mild” high ankle sprain. 21 days (a.k.a 3 weeks) on Thursday. If his injury is as mild as they say he could be back before the week is up. That is, assuming the Leafs aren’t lying through their teeth and it really isn’t as serious as Liljegren’s (6 weeks and 2 days) or Woll’s (12 weeks) high ankle sprains. More realistically he’s back sometime in early April.

 

[Arzak]

Since Marner's injury we are 65 percent on the PK and 12 percent on the PP.

Almost as bad as it was with him !

 

[Confucius]

Yeah, the overall stat without Marner all of a sudden looks much better. It's like sample size always mattered

Doesn’t matter in playoffs, why would it matter here. Lol