Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[therealkoho]

After Marner I think we need another setup man, in his absence no one has really stepped up

It's a long way to go, but shouldn't the guy making the biggest shekels, be the one who actually steps up. It's always Marner he seems to need if he's slumping when Will or somebody else is his winger.

Not putting anything on Will because it's just not his game, but he like Matthews needs somebody to get the puck to him to perform his best skill which is shooting the puck.

Everyone who watches the Leafs closely must realize this by now. Marner may not need Matthews as much as Matthews needs Marner. This is not a knock on Matthews so there's no reason to see it like that.

Together they are one of the best one two punches in the league, just be happy they are here.

 

[therealkoho]

At this point you literally have to be trolling lol.

Every NHL player says the same generic shit every press conference. I’ve heard two maybe 1 guy in the NHL say I have to be better. Nathan MacKinnon and Draisaitl and a few goalies. The rest all make the same exact comment that Marner.

Yep, it’s all so weird

Crosby is a whiny baby in interviews, who cares!

I wish he managed generic shit like the rest of them.

The weirdest thing is the amount of frustration and angst people express when somebody, say like Torts goes off script and says what's really on his mind. People are kinda funny.

 

[ZEBROA]

If those were the only players different in each game and the games were all against the same opponents with the same lineups and in the same situations (home/away, back-to-back, minor injuries, etc), then absolutely.

Yeah the science behind aint holding up, it is to much more else to take in account. A player that plays in all situations will alter the team more when they are not there, thats common sense. There is more to adjust to for the rest of the team, even if the player would have been average (wich he aint).

I would still choose Matthews as the most important player on the leafs. If he is on and Marner off we got bigger chance of winning then the opposite IMO.

If we had a great goalie then he would be the most important player.

Marner is absolutly among the most important on the team , but the game mvp change to much for him to be the most important overall. He split that title with other players.

So dont rush him back we need him healthy, we can manage without for a while. But not in the playoff.

 

[ZEBROA]

Domi Matty Bertuzzi

More north/south hockey than playing with Marner.

Gives the team a positive look for playoff games.

Wanna se how they play against a good opponent. But if it works it would be fantastic for the team.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Holy smokes, the Marnerites took one to the teeth last night didn't they? This team has turned into a veritable scoring machine without Marner. Matthews ties his career best with 5 points and we destroy WSH in their own building on the 2nd night of a back to back, just wow! How many goals have we scored now without Marner I wonder, I've lost count myself.

It's been said here recently that Marner is "the engine of the team". Every time I read that I wonder - WTF does that even mean, "the engine of the team"? Well now I know. It's like the term "Corinthian leather", anyone know what that means? That's right, it doesn't mean anything. The marketing team made it up over martinis at lunch.

Disclaimer - no need for you Marnerites to get all worked up, this is all meant to be in good fun. Marner's a very good player, and we need him at his best in the playoffs. Get well soon Mitch, hopefully there's a place for you in the lineup when you get back.

 

[Arzak]

Holy smokes, the Marnerites took one to the teeth last night didn't they? This team has turned into a veritable scoring machine without Marner. Matthews ties his career best with 5 points and we destroy WSH in their own building on the 2nd night of a back to back, just wow! How many goals have we scored now without Marner I wonder, I've lost count myself.

It's been said here recently that Marner is "the engine of the team". Every time I read that I wonder - WTF does that even mean, "the engine of the team"? Well now I know. It's like the term "Corinthian leather", anyone know what that means? That's right, it doesn't mean anything. The marketing team made it up over martinis at lunch.

Disclaimer - no need for you Marnerites to get all worked up, this is all meant to be in good fun. Marner's a very good player, and we need him at his best in the playoffs. Get well soon Mitch, hopefully there's a place for you in the lineup when you get back.

Marnerites I'm dying here Gary !

 

[Arzak]

Let's hope he'll come back ready. In an ideal situation, we want him split from Mathews.

If we can somehow get Matthews rolling without him, we should consider Marner Nylander on second line. JT down the line up.


JT on the second line is not working and I don't see us going far with JT eating major minutes.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

The idea that Matthews needs Marner to score goals is ridiculous.

This is not an insult to Marner. Players like Matthews, McDavid, Kucherov, Draisatl, Pastra are the absolute cream of the crop. They do not need 11M wingers for them to score goals.

Marner obviously helps both Auston and the Leafs at all facets of the game, but the concept that Matthews NEEDS Mitch to score is objectively wrong.

 

[Arzak]

The idea that Matthews needs Marner to score goals is ridiculous.

This is not an insult to Marner. Players like Matthews, McDavid, Kucherov, Draisatl, Pastra are the absolute cream of the crop. They do not need 11M wingers for them to score goals.

Marner obviously helps both Auston and the Leafs at all facets of the game, but the concept that Matthews NEEDS Mitch to score is objectively wrong.

Most of us feel this way.

And I like your disclaimer, but still, suggesting Matthews could be fine without Marner will get you labelled a hater for not appreciating Mitch enough!

 

[ACC1224]

The idea that Matthews needs Marner to score goals is ridiculous.

This is not an insult to Marner. Players like Matthews, McDavid, Kucherov, Draisatl, Pastra are the absolute cream of the crop. They do not need 11M wingers for them to score goals.

Marner obviously helps both Auston and the Leafs at all facets of the game, but the concept that Matthews NEEDS Mitch to score is objectively wrong.

Does anyone believe that?
Sounds like one of those things that gets repeated with no basis that becomes fact.

It's easy to see why the Marner hate gang doesn't want him to play with Matthews while Leaf fans are happy with him anywhere in the lineup, we're just looking for team success.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Let's hope he'll come back ready. In an ideal situation, we want him split from Mathews.

If we can somehow get Matthews rolling without him, we should consider Marner Nylander on second line. JT down the line up.


JT on the second line is not working and I don't see us going far with JT eating major minutes.

I just posted this in another thread:

Matthews/Domi/xxx
Marner/JT/Knies
Nylander/Bertuzzi/xxx

JT's playing great right now, he's a gud pro, he's played great with Marner in the past, Nylander can score no matter who he plays with, Domi looked great with Matthews last night, the above is what I'd like to try for a while for all the reasons.

As I said earlier today - remember all those game 7's where we couldn't score if our lives depended on it (and our playoff lives DID depend on it)? There's something to be said for having 3 lines that are dangerous scoring threats and I think the above could work quite nicely. Need to put someone who's string defensively with Nylander/Bertuzzi of course but yeah, I think this could work really well.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Let's hope he'll come back ready. In an ideal situation, we want him split from Mathews.

If we can somehow get Matthews rolling without him, we should consider Marner Nylander on second line. JT down the line up.


JT on the second line is not working and I don't see us going far with JT eating major minutes.

Willy at 2C with Mitch feeding him?

"I'd buy that for a dollar!"

 

[Gary Nylund]

Does anyone believe that?
Sounds like one of those things that gets repeated with no basis that becomes fact.

It's easy to see why the Marner hate gang doesn't want him to play with Matthews while Leaf fans are happy with him anywhere in the lineup, we're just looking for team success.

This only exists in your imagination.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Man, we are missing him on the powerplay. It was bad before for sure but it's worse without him

 

[nsleaf]

The idea that Matthews needs Marner to score goals is ridiculous.

This is not an insult to Marner. Players like Matthews, McDavid, Kucherov, Draisatl, Pastra are the absolute cream of the crop. They do not need 11M wingers for them to score goals.

Marner obviously helps both Auston and the Leafs at all facets of the game, but the concept that Matthews NEEDS Mitch to score is objectively wrong.

What is objectively wrong is that Marner supporters have never suggested this idea. Marner detractors bring this up in thier imaginations of what Marner supporters think.

 

[Arzak]

Willy at 2C with Mitch feeding him?

"I'd buy that for a dollar!"

Same! Neither of our Top 3 should suffer JT.

Matthews/Domi/xxx
Marner/JT/Knies
Nylander/Bertuzzi/xxx

JT's playing great right now, he's a gud pro, he's played great with Marner in the past, Nylander can score no matter who he plays with, Domi looked great with Matthews last night, the above is what I'd like to try for a while for all the reasons.

As I said earlier today - remember all those game 7's where we couldn't score if our lives depended on it (and our playoff lives DID depend on it)? There's something to be said for having 3 lines that are dangerous scoring threats and I think the above could work quite nicely. Need to put someone who's string defensively with Nylander/Bertuzzi of course but yeah, I think this could work really well.

But if someone has to ^^, Mitch who can elevate everyone would be my first choice. Also, we could play them strictly as our shout-down line(at least for playoffs- that way no ones regular season stats suffers)! Imagine Marner +JT shutting down the opposition 1st line while Willy and Matty are on the other two lines, hopefully scoring.

This line up is pretty much spot on, with hopefully Nylander/Bertuzzi/xxx getting as much ice time as JT/Marner.

1% chance Keefer will do it

 

[DarkKnight]

Marner chirping Marchand, funny...

https://x.com/br_openice/status/1770798587187781707?s=46&t=WFIOQmx68zn6ETcfoESWmA

 

[Gary Nylund]

As soon as people mention the dad, his scrums, it's just meaningless to me. He has to be better in the playoffs, he disappears in the key games, he panics and curls away from the action. Everything else is bullshit.

This is one of the most harsh things I've ever seen anyone say about a Marner. I have to say, I'm a bit surprised nobody has called you out for being in the imaginary "Marner hate club".

 

[Antropovsky]

Does anyone believe that?
Sounds like one of those things that gets repeated with no basis that becomes fact.

It's easy to see why the Marner hate gang doesn't want him to play with Matthews while Leaf fans are happy with him anywhere in the lineup, we're just looking for team success.

Does anyone believe that Matthews doesn't need Marner to score? Well let's let the numbers speak for themselves. Does it look like Matthews needs Marner? An argument certainly could be made that Matthews is better without Marner on his line:

Matthews without Marner 2024
5vs5: 15 games 13 goals 21 points
Pace even strength: 82 games 72 goals 115 points

Matthews with Marner 2024
5vs5: 52 games 18 goals 28 points
Pace even strength: 82 games 28 goals 44 points

These stats are based on Matthews and Marner being separated in November and the most recent Marner injury.

 

[IPS]

Yeah I think Marner proved pretty capable to generate loads of offense without Matthews too.

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner vs Domi 5v5

Domi mins: 808
Marner mins: 909

Domi with Matthews: 52 mins
Marner with Matthews: 690

Domi first assists: 17
Marner first assists: 16

Domi total assists if playes 1000 mins: 46 assists
Marner total assists if played 1000 mins: 45 assists

Marner contract: 11 million
Domi contract: 3 million

Sleeping on Domi?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yeah I think Marner proved pretty capable to generate loads of offense without Matthews too.

Absolutely!

I'm not into this whole argument of who benefits more from playing with who myself because who cares? I don't know, I don't care, they're both great players and great players always benefit from playing with other great players, the end. Maybe it's best that they play together but after seeing the way Domi played last night (and Matthews too), I'm thinking that we should leave those 2 together, put Marner with JT which we've seen before works well and put Nylander on another line. JMHO.

Marner vs Domi 5v5

Domi mins: 808
Marner mins: 909

Domi with Matthews: 52 mins
Marner with Matthews: 690

Domi first assists: 17
Marner first assists: 16

Domi total assists if playes 1000 mins: 46 assists
Marner total assists if played 1000 mins: 45 assists

Marner contract: 11 million
Domi contract: 3 million

Sleeping on Domi?

Wow, I have to say that that's very impressive for Domi! I've said it before but I'll say it again - I like the way Domi has played for us, I said a month or two ago that I would like to see him signed for term and last night was just another argument in favor of that happening. Honestly, I would love to see this announced tomorrow, they did it with McMann so why not Domi?

 

[Gabriel426]

Had Dubas just taken Marners initial ask of 8.5x8 things would have worked out so much better for everyone involved.

In hindsight, 100%. But at that time Willie was not signed yet and their numbers were pretty much the same. Also Drai just signed his deal a year earlier at that price and his numbers were better than MM esp his playoffs numbers where he was dominating.

 

[Antropovsky]

Had Dubas just taken Marners initial ask of 8.5x8 things would have worked out so much better for everyone involved.

8.5 x 8 was also unreasonable at the time Marner had asked for it.

 

[Gabriel426]

Does anyone believe that?
Sounds like one of those things that gets repeated with no basis that becomes fact.

It's easy to see why the Marner hate gang doesn't want him to play with Matthews while Leaf fans are happy with him anywhere in the lineup, we're just looking for team success.

I think some get defensive when people list their line ups and MM is on the 2nd line with JT or even JT on the 3rd line with whoever.
To me that is silly as playtime is the determining factor.

Just want the team to win and if past playoffs is any indications, need to spread the offense