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ORRFForever said:
In his defense, they are not the same without him.

Marner being away has a much bigger impact than any of the other 3 being away - including Matthews. He is the straw that stirs the drink.
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Mitch is a huge presence on the ice. Leafs record without him vs. their record without one of Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, or Rielly speaks volumes.
 
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Leafs thoroughly dominated the Flyers. Nylander was dominant and scored, Tavares had 3 points and Matthew's 2 and several posts.

Leafs Cf% was 51%, 68%, 68% per period
Leafs Xgf% was 44%, 69%, 62%.

Flyers were blocking shots like it was the Stanley Cup final and playing physical. This is the type of game Marner doesnt have alot of success in.

This is a game where Marners 11 million to a defenseman and goalie would've probably paid the most dividends.
 
The "fact" that we would have won these games with Marner if someone else was out of Matthews and Nylander is a huge speculation. If that is the case , that without a doubt we would have won. Then he is absolutly to blame when we loose in the playoffs. IMO no player alone is that important to this team, besides the goalie in some cases.

That said , rest Mitch until he is 110%. We need all of our top players to get anywere in the playoffs. I got a feeling this will be his best playoff yet.
 
Squiffy said:
The PP just looks awful missing him though. They miss his entries particularly.

Boy I don't know about dominating them, I thought we were out-competed all night.
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The PP looks horrendous but it's the same PP that was 1 for 12 with Mitch. Again he is missed, but he is no hockey Jesus this thread makes him to be...

I bet our save % will improve with Mitch back in the line up... Keefe learns line matching and using TO. JT will increase his speed by 20% .
 
Notsince67 said:
15-14-5 without Marner career. Anyone in denial of Marners impact is numerically illiterate.
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See the Penguins record without Crosby, is he garbage?

You can’t rely solely on a record without a player, there are so many factors involved.

Obviously he is missed, but the basis of most peoples arguments is that he/or Nylander could be traded for pieces other than a winger. No one has advocated to just get rid of him for nothing
 
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GoonieFace said:
See the Penguins record without Crosby, is he garbage?

You can’t rely solely on a record without a player, there are so many factors involved.

Obviously he is missed, but the basis of most peoples arguments is that he/or Nylander could be traded for pieces other than a winger. No one has advocated to just get rid of him for nothing
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I remember a post where someone said Marner would be an addition by subtraction. This kind of filth has been common around here. No need to make excuses for the belligerent.
 
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Notsince67 said:
I remember a post where someone said Marner would be an addition by subtraction. This kind of filth has been common around here. No need to make excuses for the belligerent.
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Master of fake outrage. It's not like we can use 11M currently sitting IR to bolster D just to test the theory. Our PP, or PK, even Matthews being meh is consistent with our track record with Mitch before this injury.

I love it when you talk about numerical literacy!
 
Arzak said:
Master of fake outrage. It's not like we can use 11M currently sitting IR to bolster D just to test the theory. Our PP, or PK, even Matthews being meh is consistent with our track record with Mitch before this injury.

I love it when you talk about numerical literacy!
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You usually dont move players that are the clearest contributors to wins unless you are rebuilding. By all means... go all out with your tantrum while awaiting the latest stats from one of the clowns around here that prove Marner suck because he is scoreless in the 4 that he didn't play. Pretend it's me sparking a manufactured outrage for opposing the negative reaction to a 3 time all star.
You know damned well if they won all 4, you would be here trotting out proof that the team doesn't need him despite the 24 game sample size of how they faired without him.
I stand by what I say with solid numbers. Don't go complaining that you look ridiculous because I forced you to join the circus.
 
Notsince67 said:
You usually dont move players that are the clearest contributors to wins unless you are rebuilding. By all means... go all out with your tantrum while awaiting the latest stats from one of the clowns around here that prove Marner suck because he is scoreless in the 4 that he didn't play. Pretend it's me sparking a manufactured outrage for opposing the negative reaction to a 3 time all star.
You know damned well if they won all 4, you would be here trotting out proof that the team doesn't need him despite the 24 game sample size of how they faired without him.
I stand by what I say with solid numbers. Don't go complaining that you look ridiculous because I forced you to join the circus.
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Once again, go see the Penguins record without Crosby. I guess he is useless. If anything the numbers may prove the opposite. The more impactful the player, the more other players step up and play better.

And if the Leafs lost all 4 of those games without Marner, than I’m sure a group would be beating those drums just as loudly.

The problem is, there seems to be no middle ground here.
 
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There's simply no question his absence has the most impact on the team. Nobody believes we can't win without him, we aren't a good team, we are lost without him. Again though, each time he is out, the argument he is the most "important" player on this team further cements itself. Not best, important.

I rest him as long as we can, we are stuck in the standings, a fresh Marner come playoffs might be a good thing.
 
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Notsince67 said:
You usually dont move players that are the clearest contributors to wins unless you are rebuilding. By all means... go all out with your tantrum while awaiting the latest stats from one of the clowns around here that prove Marner suck because he is scoreless in the 4 that he didn't play. Pretend it's me sparking a manufactured outrage for opposing the negative reaction to a 3 time all star.
You know damned well if they won all 4, you would be here trotting out proof that the team doesn't need him despite the 24 game sample size of how they faired without him.
I stand by what I say with solid numbers. Don't go complaining that you look ridiculous because I forced you to join the circus.
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Good news is come summer when he signs his extension, we'll have 9 more years of this idiocy.
 
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ACC1224 said:
Good news is come summer when he signs his extension, we'll have 9 more years of this idiocy.
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Hopefully the Leafs win a cup and certain characters go elsewhere to troll others about how great the Leafs are while insisting they have been die hard faithful fans forever.
 
Notsince67 said:
I remember a post where someone said Marner would be an addition by subtraction. This kind of filth has been common around here. No need to make excuses for the belligerent.
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Yeah, sure thing bud. I've never seen anyone say that, but according to you, it's "common around here".

Maybe learn to differentiate between your dreams and reality, sheesh.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Yeah, sure thing bud. I've never seen anyone say that, but according to you, it's "common around here".

Maybe learn to differentiate between your dreams and reality, sheesh.
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I remember somebody claiming Marner was a bargain the year of the Canadian division. Kutch @ 9.5m, Pasta @ 6.5m, Drai @ 8.5m, Mac @ 6.1m were bargains. Marner has never been and never will never be a bargain. They are going to overpay him again and we will be screwed. Sorry Gary, no cups for you, me and the rest of us long suffering fans but the 3 amigos will be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
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Notsince67 said:
You usually dont move players that are the clearest contributors to wins unless you are rebuilding. By all means... go all out with your tantrum while awaiting the latest stats from one of the clowns around here that prove Marner suck because he is scoreless in the 4 that he didn't play. Pretend it's me sparking a manufactured outrage for opposing the negative reaction to a 3 time all star.
You know damned well if they won all 4, you would be here trotting out proof that the team doesn't need him despite the 24 game sample size of how they faired without him.
I stand by what I say with solid numbers. Don't go complaining that you look ridiculous because I forced you to join the circus.
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That's bizarre even for you. In your hypothetical scenario, Earth flat too? Nothing to justify your fantasy, why stop there? What else would I post if we won 4 without Marner?

On a side note, an all-star appearance means nothing, was he an all-star calibre this year when he was voted in? Strange all around, like always.
 
Arzak said:
That's bizarre even for you. In your hypothetical scenario, Earth flat too? Nothing to justify your fantasy, why stop there? What else would I post if we won 4 without Marner?

On a side note, an all-star appearance means nothing, was he an all-star calibre this year when he was voted in? Strange all around, like always.
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There is a difference between all star and an all star appearance. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the NHL.
 
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Notsince67 said:
I remember a post where someone said Marner would be an addition by subtraction. This kind of filth has been common around here. No need to make excuses for the belligerent.
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Your forgetting that Marners 11 million would be allocated elsewhere. I don't think the poster you are quoting meant to just not use the 11 million in cap space lol.

Leafs thoroughly outplayed the Flyers offensively yesterday without Marner. Where they lacked yesterday was on defense and in net. Marner wouldn't have helped much on these fronts. The argument has always been that the Leafs should allocate some od the forward money to defense. Yesterday was a prime example of why... without Marner the offense was fine.
 
Notsince67 said:
15-14-5 without Marner career. Anyone in denial of Marners impact is numerically illiterate.
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This is a good example of being "logically illiterate". For someone who's constantly insulting other people, you should try to do better.
GoonieFace said:
See the Penguins record without Crosby, is he garbage?

You can’t rely solely on a record without a player, there are so many factors involved.

Obviously he is missed, but the basis of most peoples arguments is that he/or Nylander could be traded for pieces other than a winger. No one has advocated to just get rid of him for nothing
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Or closer to home, our record without Rielly is fantastic, is he garbage?
 
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