Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Arzak]

That isn’t speculation though. Players have come out and spoke about Marner being a great team guy and how loved he is in the locker room. That is first hand accounts from former and current Maple Leafs in the NHL.

We also see the charity work he does. Same with Rielly. They are visible in the community, so it’s not speculation. Many of us have been at those events and witness that first hand.

Speculation is creating a narrative or story based on your perception. It’s baseless. Him being nice to kids and doing charity work is something he actually does

Come on.

How many times have we heard Marner sh*tting on his support cast? Can you imagine hearing that sh*t for 10th times and being like, hey I love that guy !

This is such a bulsh*t.

 

[Gary Nylund]

And who really cares, this is a forum about hockey, not how nice or not nice someone is. Weird that people find the need to defend his honour. Who cares what people on here say about him outside of the hockey rink.

Anyhow, let’s hope he heals up and is ready to go come playoffs

I know, right? I mean I'm sure all our star players so charity work, yet Marner seems to be the only one who has a posse in this forum who feels the need to constantly remind everyone of this. I wonder if it's a subconscious thing, like they need to compensate for his deficiencies on ice by pointing to something he does off the ice?

Note to the Marner posse - don't worry about it. Even his biggest critics acknowledge that Marner is a very good hockey player but every player has some deficiencies, no such thing as a perfect player so no need to get so defensive when people mention his deficiencies.

I think we all want the same thing - the team to win, especially in the playoffs. And therefore we want all our players to be better, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Kampf, Rielly, Brodie and everyone else, especially in the playoffs. Would be nice if we could agree that we're all on the same side and bring down the level of hostility that seems to be ever present ITT. Have a nice day everyone. Cheers!

 

[thusk]

No idea whether Marner slides to block the shot but I see it done all the time by other teams. Hard to believe this still happens under Keefe who is now in season 6. Another example of why we will never win with this core.

with 7 second left for a win against an other big contender, pretty marber would.

Its not against nylander, its just actual fact we can see.

just as exemple, i count somrthing like 6 goal leafs could disallowed just with nylander working harder against tampa and all those kind of small detail. its 1 goal / game, remove 1 goal each game unstead of winning 4-3 in ot its 3-2 win, unstead of losing 5-4 in ot its a 4-3 win unstead of losing 4-2 with a an empty net, its a 2-2 ot game, unstead of winning 2-1 in ot, its a 1-0 win. Its just the impact of 1 player, if youre having 2-3-4 player playing that way, it will be extremely hard to win.

People here want a team playing the same way than boston, florida, vegas or Whatever but at the same time want to trade the player who fit the mpst on every of those team. Thats making no sense at all

 

[francis246]

Come on.

How many times have we heard Marner sh*tting on his support cast? Can you imagine hearing that sh*t for 10th times and being like, hey I love that guy !

This is such a bulsh*t.

When have we heard Marner shitting on the supporting cast haha? I’ve actually never heard any stories of any of the leafs players shitting on any support players. Leafs in the Shanahan era have had a pretty tight group.

Only thing I’ve heard is Keefe not playing the supporting players enough. That has nothing to do with star players. That’s a coaching issue.

 

[Notsince67]

And who really cares, this is a forum about hockey, not how nice or not nice someone is. Weird that people find the need to defend his honour. Who cares what people on here say about him outside of the hockey rink.

Anyhow, let’s hope he heals up and is ready to go come playoffs

Come on.

How many times have we heard Marner sh*tting on his support cast? Can you imagine hearing that sh*t for 10th times and being like, hey I love that guy !

This is such a bulsh*t.

Can we all agree that the Marner detractors need to play better as a team?

 

[francis246]

And who really cares, this is a forum about hockey, not how nice or not nice someone is. Weird that people find the need to defend his honour. Who cares what people on here say about him outside of the hockey rink.

Anyhow, let’s hope he heals up and is ready to go come playoffs

It’s not about defending his honour. It’s about people not keeping it to hockey and constantly taking personal shots. It’s dumb. No one wants to read that. No one is gonna say anything if you think Marner is a soft player or under delivers in the playoffs or you think he should be traded. It’s relevant to the thread and hockey. But hating on his teeth, the fact that he got married and all this other non-sense is stupid. Might just be my personality but I don’t stand for that kind of stuff and I’d feel the same way if it was those comments directed to other posters or any random person. It’s not right.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It’s not about defending his honour. It’s about people not keeping it to hockey and constantly taking personal shots. It’s dumb. No one wants to read that. No one is gonna say anything if you think Marner is a soft player or under delivers in the playoffs or you think he should be traded. It’s relevant to the thread and hockey. But hating on his teeth, the fact that he got married and all this other non-sense is stupid. Might just be my personality but I don’t stand for that kind of stuff and I’d feel the same way if it was those comments directed to other posters or any random person. It’s not right.

This is nowhere close to being true.

 

[notDatsyuk]

put marner in the line up and send him on the line up on the 6v5 unstead of nylander and the leafs won this game. I put a picture for you.

For me this picture show exactly why i will ALWAYS choose Marner over Nylander in my team whatever if nylandder is a better offensive player or not. 7 second left in a game and affraid to slide and pay the price to close the game. 100% sure if marner is in, he would sacrifice his body to make that play. The diffetence between being an winning and losing in playoff is not skill, its paying the price for your team especially in the defensive zone... Something i saw marner doing again and over again but nylander...never

Marner actually really missing to leafs


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Yep - looks like he was moving to block the shot, but Burns passed it instead because he saw that JT was out of position and left his man wide open.

Thanks for proving me right yet again!

And why are you trying to blame Nylander (incorrectly again) in a Marner thread? What is your obsession with him?

 

[notDatsyuk]

with 7 second left for a win against an other big contender, pretty marber would.

Its not against nylander, its just actual fact we can see.

just as exemple, i count somrthing like 6 goal leafs could disallowed just with nylander working harder against tampa and all those kind of small detail. its 1 goal / game, remove 1 goal each game unstead of winning 4-3 in ot its 3-2 win, unstead of losing 5-4 in ot its a 4-3 win unstead of losing 4-2 with a an empty net, its a 2-2 ot game, unstead of winning 2-1 in ot, its a 1-0 win. Its just the impact of 1 player, if youre having 2-3-4 player playing that way, it will be extremely hard to win.

People here want a team playing the same way than boston, florida, vegas or Whatever but at the same time want to trade the player who fit the mpst on every of those team. Thats making no sense at all

Not a Nylander thread - please keep up.

 

[Antropovsky]

put marner in the line up and send him on the line up on the 6v5 unstead of nylander and the leafs won this game. I put a picture for you.

For me this picture show exactly why i will ALWAYS choose Marner over Nylander in my team whatever if nylandder is a better offensive player or not. 7 second left in a game and affraid to slide and pay the price to close the game. 100% sure if marner is in, he would sacrifice his body to make that play. The diffetence between being an winning and losing in playoff is not skill, its paying the price for your team especially in the defensive zone... Something i saw marner doing again and over again but nylander...never

Marner actually really missing to leafs


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While I agree that Marner is more likely to block a shot then Nylander, I don't agree that Marner definitely wouldn't tried to block Burns shot. I've seen Marner extend a stick and turn his body pencil thin many times on the PK. Which is why I don't agree with using him on the PK or any star player. I prefer the traditional bottom six player in this role for this reason:

#1) We want our players blocking shots on the PK
#2) we don't necessarily want our best forwards blocking shots on the PK.

Strange move by Keefe to put Nylander out at such a crucial time in the game. This is definitely an u orthodox move by Keefe and I'm unsure if I like it. If Keefes goal is to harden Nylander up for playoff hockey, than it's a reasonable move. If he thinks it was a smart move to win this game... definitely a bad move.

Again our PK is nothing to write home about. Posters need to stop acting like Marner is some sort of a PK wizard.

 

[Arzak]

When have we heard Marner shitting on the supporting cast haha? I’ve actually never heard any stories of any of the leafs players shitting on any support players. Leafs in the Shanahan era have had a pretty tight group.

Only thing I’ve heard is Keefe not playing the supporting players enough. That has nothing to do with star players. That’s a coaching issue.

Well, you're not following Leafs hockey or you are lying.

Marners biggest supporters never heard him deflect responsibility after loss? Everyone needs to step up, not just core 4 ? Someone else must be making these claims, not beloved Mitch !

On multiple occasions, but it doesn't suit the narrative, so of course, you suppressed several interviews from your memory

 

[notDatsyuk]

While I agree that Marner is more likely to block a shot then Nylander, I don't agree that Marner definitely wouldn't tried to block Burns shot. I've seen Marner extend a stick and turn his body pencil thin many times on the PK. Which is why I don't agree with using him on the PK or any star player. I prefer the traditional bottom six player in this role for this reason:

#1) We want our players blocking shots on the PK
#2) we don't necessarily want our best forwards blocking shots on the PK.

Strange move by Keefe to put Nylander out at such a crucial time in the game. This is definitely an u orthodox move by Keefe and I'm unsure if I like it. If Keefes goal is to harden Nylander up for playoff hockey, than it's a reasonable move. If he thinks it was a smart move to win this game... definitely a bad move.

Again our PK is nothing to write home about. Posters need to stop acting like Marner is some sort of a PK wizard.

With Mitch and Jarnkrok out, Gregor, Kampf, and Willy are our most used PKers this year, so it's not unreasonable to use them on a 6-on-5. The real question is why was JT out there?

 

[thusk]

Yep - looks like he was moving to block the shot, but Burns passed it instead because he saw that JT was out of position and left his man wide open.

Thanks for proving me right yet again!

And why are you trying to blame Nylander (incorrectly again) in a Marner thread? What is your obsession with him?

1- if hes blocking the shot, hes blocking the pass at the same time

2-Its not about nylande4 but about missing marner because marner is the guy on the ice unstead of nylander on those situation whrn hes playing.

While I agree that Marner is more likely to block a shot then Nylander, I don't agree that Marner definitely wouldn't tried to block Burns shot. I've seen Marner extend a stick and turn his body pencil thin many times on the PK. Which is why I don't agree with using him on the PK or any star player. I prefer the traditional bottom six player in this role for this reason:

#1) We want our players blocking shots on the PK
#2) we don't necessarily want our best forwards blocking shots on the PK.

Strange move by Keefe to put Nylander out at such a crucial time in the game. This is definitely an u orthodox move by Keefe and I'm unsure if I like it. If Keefes goal is to harden Nylander up for playoff hockey, than it's a reasonable move. If he thinks it was a smart move to win this game... definitely a bad move.

Again our PK is nothing to write home about. Posters need to stop acting like Marner is some sort of a PK wizard.

blocking a shot in 1st period 18 min left is not the same thing than 7 second and the game on the line. on 1st situation no he would not probably block that shot, with 7 sec and game on the line, absolutly no doubt he would do it.

 

[francis246]

Well, you're not following Leafs hockey or you are lying.

Marners biggest supporters never heard him deflect responsibility after loss? Everyone needs to step up, not just core 4 ? Someone else must be making these claims, not beloved Mitch !

On multiple occasions, but it doesn't suit the narrative, so of course, you suppressed several interviews from your memory

Saying everyone needs to play better is not throwing anyone under the bus. It’s a general statement. I’ve played a D1 sport in college. I currently coach a top 10 team in the nation at the youth level. That comment wouldn’t be an issue in any locker room I’ve been apart of and highly doubt anyone on the leafs or any professional hockey player even batted an eye about a comment like that.

It’s silly to even think that comment would cause locker room tension. It simply wouldn’t. That is as big of a reach as I’ve ever seen on these boards LOL

 

[Antropovsky]

1- if hes blocking the shot, hes blocking the pass at the same time

2-Its not about nylande4 but about missing marner because marner is the guy on the ice unstead of nylander on those situation whrn hes playing.


blocking a shot in 1st period 18 min left is not the same thing than 7 second and the game on the line. on 1st situation no he would not probably block that shot, with 7 sec and game on the line, absolutly no doubt he would do it.

This isn't true, Marner will fall in front of shots very occasionally but not often.

Ive attached a highlight reel of all Tampas playoff goals in 2023. 1 minute into the video is a Tampas powerplay goal... It's a rather unimpressive pk by Marner leading to the goal against. In the play he looks like hes wearing cement skates, he has no particular urgency, he's just going through the motions like it's practice and his stick is inactive. If this is what it takes to be a ln amazing defensive PK player than the bar is way too low.

Are you impressed with Marner in the video?

 

[thusk]

This isn't true, Marner will fall in front of shots very occasionally but not often.

Ive attached a highlight reel of all Tampas playoff goals in 2023. 1 minute into the video is a Tampas powerplay goal... It's a rather unimpressive pk by Marner leading to the goal against. In the play he looks like hes wearing cement skates, he has no particular urgency, he's just going through the motions like it's practice and his stick is inactive. If this is what it takes to be a ln amazing defensive PK player than the bar is way too low.

Are you impressed with Marner in the video?

1- i'm talking about the moment, 7 second left in a game

2- youre exemple is pretty trash because on the play your talking about, he did the right thing. he watched behind him and saw nobody was there and everyone get caught out of position on the board and wad the only one remaining. What did you really think he could do??? He was the last guy who was not completly out of position... but go ahead. The next video is what im talking about

 

[Arzak]

1- i'm talking about the moment, 7 second left in a game

2- youre exemple is pretty trash because on the play your talking about, he did the right thing. he watched behind him and saw nobody was there and everyone get caught out of position on the board and wad the only one remaining. What did you really think he could do??? He was the last guy who was not completly out of position... but go ahead. The next video is what im talking about

2019 ? good old times losing to Bruins...searching archives to find Mitch highlight?

 

[thusk]

2019 ? good old times losing to Bruins...searching archives to find Mitch highlight?

blocking a shot is rarely a highlight during game so find highlight of it is much harder than a goal/ assist or goal against

 

[Antropovsky]

1- i'm talking about the moment, 7 second left in a game

2- youre exemple is pretty trash because on the play your talking about, he did the right thing. he watched behind him and saw nobody was there and everyone get caught out of position on the board and wad the only one remaining. What did you really think he could do??? He was the last guy who was not completly out of position... but go ahead. The next video is what im talking about

First, this is a much more critical moment in a season then the Nylander one. This is playoffs, down by one goal. What was Marner defending on the play that I posted? I don't know if he was defending the slot pass or the point pass and he didn't pressure the player with puck either. He was just coasting in nowhere land with the stick hanging by his side.

This is a pretty uninspiring looking effort, talk about going through the motions.

 

[thusk]

What was he defending on the play that I posted? I don't know if he was defending the slot pass or the point pass and he didn't pressure the player with puck either. He was just coasting in nowhere land with the stick hanging by his side.

This is a pretty uninspiring looking effort.

if he pressure the player, he will just pass him to someone else and it will still like a 2v0.

this goal happenned because 3 leafs player was battling in corner and lost their fight, the missing play was the battle lost. When marner read the play thats what he saw. He tried to win time to give time to Holl/ Brodie to come back in front of the net both they was had been pretty slow to react. I dont know how you can blame marner for brodie/Holl mistake

pressure in pk is not pressure whatever whats happening, its recognize when its time to pressure and when its time for it. It would be pretty easy for tampa to avoid a marner pressure in this situation, so it would be useless

 

[Antropovsky]

if he pressure the player, he will just pass him to someone else and it will still like a 2v0.

this goal happenned because 3 leafs player was battling in corner and lost their fight, the missing play was the battle lost. When marner read the play thats what he saw. He tried to win time to give time to Holl/ Brodie to come back in front of the net both they was had been pretty slow to react. I dont know how you can blame marner for brodie/Holl mistakeView attachment 838351

Tell me your thoughts on Marners stick placement. Notice that he never puts it into a passing lane. In fact he seems too preoccupied looking around to even care about what the Tampa player with the puck is doing. Marners not even considering his stick placement which couldnt have been in a more useless position.

Pk fall apart, that's what happens... doesn't preclude Marner from having to play smart and play a way that will help prevent a goal.

 

[notDatsyuk]

1- if hes blocking the shot, hes blocking the pass at the same time

2-Its not about nylande4 but about missing marner because marner is the guy on the ice unstead of nylander on those situation whrn hes playing.

Try looking at the different direction the puck is going - not at the net but the player left alone to the side. Nice try, but still wrong.

If it's not about Nylander, why do you keep bringing him up and trying to blame him for something that wasn't his fault?

 

[thusk]

Tell me your thoughts on Marners stick placement. Notice that he never puts it into a passing lane. In fact he seems too preoccupied looking around to even care about what the Tampa player with the puck is doing. Marners not even considering his stick placement which couldnt have been in a more useless position.

Pk fall apart, that's what happens... doesn't preclude Marner from having to play smart and play a way that will help prevent a goal.

the reality is nobody could expect how holl/brodie played, brodie going for hit when the puck was already on opposite side on pk, Holl completly lost on the ice and took all time of the world to come back at his position + lost his race with point... Do you really blame marner to dont overcome brodie/Holl awfull play?!?!?!

Try looking at the different direction the puck is going - not at the net but the player left alone to the side. Nice try, but still wrong.

If it's not about Nylander, why do you keep bringing him up and trying to blame him for something that wasn't his fault?

aho is like 1 feet on right side of the net? its not enough to make any difference between blocking the shot or shot/pass sorry...its basically the same trajectory

 

[notDatsyuk]

aho is like 1 feet on right side of the net? its not enough to make any difference between blocking the shot or shot/pass sorry...its basically the same trajectory

Look at the picture you posted, and try again.

Better yet, don't keep on incorrectly blaming Nylander in a Marner thread

 

[blue stick]

I hope Marner comes back from his injury 150%