Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[GoonieFace]

I don't care how many times Marner hit some shiny irrelevant number. You can't control covid or injuries.
I care about the level he performs at, which through his contract so far, is somebody who puts up 32 goals and 102 points every 82 games, with top tier defense and PKing.

So you do live in a fantasy world. Simple comparison. Marner signed his $10.9 mil contract 4 years ago? Pastrnak just signed for $11.25mil. He is a far superior player to Marner, so we have been overpaying.

Also, how is Marner an elite PK’er when they have one of the work PK’s in the league?

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's the Cup or nothing! Forget a deep playoff run ( who cares about SC finals!). It's silly, prior to last year people in Florida still talked about their 95 run and the good memories they have, despite falling short.

We never won 3 rounds. Not sure we can laugh at those reaching this milestone.

And I have fond memories of the few playoff series wins that we have had. Beating OTT was sweet, our run in 93 was awesome, beating NYI in 78 was exciting etc.

It should be obvious to anyone that all seasons that don't result in a cup aren't created equal.

Learn to read. He said cup

Learn how to comprehend what you're reading.

 

[DarkKnight]

He needs to come back and make Matthews useful again

Matthews is so used to Marner having the puck and finding him, now nobody is finding him and he looks like a guy on the margins. I'd love to see his expected goals, this visual shows another poor performance, and I'd note Marner was still top 5 on the team the last 5 games prior to injury, when Matthews was lagging behind. The bs "carrying" narrative is being exposed again, as it has in the past.

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[Notsince67]

And I have fond memories of the few playoff series wins that we have had. Beating OTT was sweet, our run in 93 was awesome, beating NYI in 78 was exciting etc.

It should be obvious to anyone that all seasons that don't result in a cup aren't created equal.

Learn how to comprehend what you're reading.

I have difficulty comprehending what you are saying most of the time and my literacy is quite high. That is why I mostly ignore you.
Back to it

 

[Notsince67]

Matthews is so used to Marner having the puck and finding him, now nobody is finding him and he looks like a guy on the margins. I'd love to see his expected goals, this visual shows another poor performance, and I'd note Marner was still top 5 on the team the last 5 games prior to injury, when Matthews was lagging behind. The bs "carrying" narrative is being exposed again, as it has in the past.

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The whole notion is embarrassing. Matthews is a fine player. He doesn't carry Marner though.

 

[DarkKnight]

Anyone who can't admit Marner is an elite PKer it's a tell for me. Saying the team PK is poor doesn't mean he isn't the best on it, because he is and it seems obvious if you're watching without your hate on. Our PK problem is largely around the net and depth.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I have difficulty comprehending what you are saying most of the time and my literacy is quite high. That is why I mostly ignore you.
Back to it

Either your literacy isn't as high as you think it is, or you're not trying, or you're pretending not to try.

Going out of your way to insult me (as you so often do) is the opposite of "ignoring".

I have no interest in trading insults with you so I'll simply say what I've said to you before - your posts are generally worth reading unless you're being insulting, or if Marner is the subject of conversation as you seem to have a blind spot when it comes to him.

Cheers!

 

[GoonieFace]

Anyone who can't admit Marner is an elite PKer it's a tell for me. Saying the team PK is poor doesn't mean he isn't the best on it, because he is and it seems obvious if you're watching without your hate on. Our PK problem is largely around the net and depth.

He’s a good PK’er no doubt, but elite, come on now. People just love to throw this term around like it means nothing.

Obviously when you have a coach that keeps putting Brodie on the PK it’s going to suffer down low.

Anyhow, 5 of 6 points without Marner is pretty good. Hopefully they realize this and don’t rush him back

 

[DarkKnight]

He’s a good PK’er no doubt, but elite, come on now. People just love to throw this term around like it means nothing.

Obviously when you have a coach that keeps putting Brodie on the PK it’s going to suffer down low.

Anyhow, 5 of 6 points without Marner is pretty good. Hopefully they realize this and don’t rush him back

Part of the reason he was nominated for the bloody Selke is because of his PK prowess. He's one the best PK forwards we've had. Kampf gets kudos because you need to win a draw but Marner is great at what he needs to do. Ultimately though, if you can't clear the net, it doesn't matter.

As for the points argument, interestingly Sportsnet post game, they spent a lot of the time arguing how evident it is the Leafs missing Marner, especially defensively because he's the one who normally wins the puck to blow the zone. To me it's obvious to any fair minded person that if there is one player missing who most impacts the team, it's Marner all day long. Every situation he plays, it literally effecting everything we do. Even last night look at the PP zone entry problems, was just a coincidence to me. But hey, I'm a "fan boy", of a guy who will have his jersey retired and be bronzed. What a world.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He’s a good PK’er no doubt, but elite, come on now. People just love to throw this term around like it means nothing.

Obviously when you have a coach that keeps putting Brodie on the PK it’s going to suffer down low.

Anyhow, 5 of 6 points without Marner is pretty good. Hopefully they realize this and don’t rush him back

Indeed, especially Marner seems to bring this out in people.

Part of the reason he was nominated for the bloody Selke is because of his PK prowess. He's one the best PK forwards we've had. Kampf gets kudos because you need to win a draw but Marner is great at what he needs to do. Ultimately though, if you can't clear the net, it doesn't matter.

As for the points argument, interestingly Sportsnet post game, they spent a lot of the time arguing how evident it is the Leafs missing Marner, especially defensively because he's the one who normally wins the puck to blow the zone. To me it's obvious to any fair minded person that if there is one player missing who most impacts the team, it's Marner all day long. Every situation he plays, it literally effecting everything we do. Even last night look at the PP zone entry problems, was just a coincidence to me. But hey, I'm a "fan boy", of a guy who will have his jersey retired and be bronzed. What a world.

LOL "bloody" Selke. Take it easy there dude.

Last 3 games we played with Marner, we scored 4 goals and got 2 out of 6 points. Last 3 games without Marner, we scored 13 goals and got 5 out of 6 points. Now before you get all frothy, yes it's a small sample size so it doesn't mean much and yes of course we're a better team with Marner but I can only imagine how your nonsense would be even more out of control if it was the other way around.

If Marner being out is "literally affecting everything we do" and we're still winning games, then maybe it should dawn on you that even without Marner, this is still a pretty good hockey team and his impact isn't as big as you think it is. And pointing to PP zone entry problem is laughable and you should know better. We have had the worst PP in the league for the month of March so clearly we started having problems long before Marner got injured.

Yes , you are a "fan boy" who's many times talked about how when Marner's done playing he will be one of the greatest Leafs of all time and statues will be built etc., who are you trying to kid here?

 

[Racer88]

I don't care how many times Marner hit some shiny irrelevant number. You can't control covid or injuries.
I care about the level he performs at, which through his contract so far, is somebody who puts up 32 goals and 102 points every 82 games, with top tier defense and PKing.

However you can’t say you don’t care about some shiny irrelevant number then use it to say how good he is. You only get to use it one way

 

[AustonMarner]

Does anyone happen to know what the Leafs record is without Marner in the lineup since he joined the NHL?


Here's a video from last year that explains clearly why Marner is the most important Leaf;



Anyone that hates on Marner or says he should be traded has zero credibility as a critical hockey thinker imho

When last years Leafs team got jumped and punked by the Panthers Marner was one of the few who did not act cowardly towards the opposition;




This next video optimizes what Matthew Tkachuk is; (not someoneto be elevated in Toronto sports media ever)



Just a trash human being in general and nothing to idolize as a role-model for children

***Leafs are gunna smash the Bruins and/or Panthers this year in the playoffs...

 

[Dekes For Days]

Marner signed his $10.9 mil contract 4 years ago? Pastrnak just signed for $11.25mil. He is a far superior player to Marner, so we have been overpaying.

1. Pastrnak was not "a far superior player to Marner".
2. UFA and post-ELC contracts are different things.
3. The cap had changed all of 1m in those 4 years, so not sure why you're acting like that's all that relevant.
4. Comparing Marner's contract to [insert chosen contract] wouldn't tell you whether he's overpaid anyway. It would just tell you how his contract compares to that one contract.

Also, how is Marner an elite PK’er when they have one of the work PK’s in the league?

1. I'm talking about an almost 5 year sample, and you're talking about one specific year.
2. Marner is the least of the reasons that our PK has struggled this year.

However you can’t say you don’t care about some shiny irrelevant number then use it to say how good he is.

I'm not using whether he hits some shiny irrelevant number at all. I'm using the level he's performed at over an almost 5 year sample.

 

[Cleetus]

Anyone who can't admit Marner is an elite PKer it's a tell for me. Saying the team PK is poor doesn't mean he isn't the best on it, because he is and it seems obvious if you're watching without your hate on. Our PK problem is largely around the net and depth.

we sure could of used him last night, he reads and reacts very well, such a smart player

 

[ACC1224]

Crazy how much he’s missed.

 

[Arzak]

Crazy how much he’s missed.

Our PK was bad with Mitch, no one says a word. Equally bad PK without Marner? Oh boy do we miss him !!!

 

[Gary Nylund]

Crazy how much he’s missed.

Ya these 3 games without him where we picked up 5 points has been a huge setback.

 

[BTP]

Ya these 3 games without him where we picked up 5 points has been a huge setback.

5 pOiNtS

Who cares.

We are sub .500 with Marner out of the line up all- time. WAY abover .650 with any of the other big 4 out. Not a coincidence.

Matthews line was caved in all night last night, that never happens with Marner on the line. Power Play looks absolutely abysmal, PK, abysmal.

If you cant see how much better we are, how much better MATTHEWS is when 16 is in the line up then I dont know what to tell you.

That Matthews line had NO pace to it last night. None. That literally never happens when 16 is playing with him.

 

[666]

Ya these 3 games without him where we picked up 5 points has been a huge setback.

Solid evidence that you either don't watch the games (as you've admitted) or don't know how to. But it doesn't really matter, you are on record saying that he should be traded and that's all we need to know that you are a non rational hater.

 

[GoonieFace]

5 pOiNtS

Who cares.

We are sub .500 with Marner out of the line up all- time. WAY abover .650 with any of the other big 4 out. Not a coincidence.

Matthews line was caved in all night last night, that never happens with Marner on the line. Power Play looks absolutely abysmal, PK, abysmal.

If you cant see how much better we are, how much better MATTHEWS is when 16 is in the line up then I dont know what to tell you.

That Matthews line had NO pace to it last night. None. That literally never happens when 16 is playing with him.

Matthews line has never looked bad with Marner on it, never? Wow, that’s something else.

Nobody is saying this team is better with him out of the lineup, but they have played wel without him the last 3 games, will that continue if he’s out, who knows. But to say the world will end without Mitch in the lineup is absurd.

The Pk has looked abysmal all year, so let’s pump the brakes there. Obviously the PP looks better with him.

There’s a middle ground here, but the fanatics will do what they do

 

[DarkKnight]

Soft bashers are so boringly obvious. Seriously.

 

[Arzak]

Soft bashers are so boringly obvious. Seriously.

I have to say, blind devotees, on the other hand, are very entertaining! The amount of praise he gets now, you'd think he's running for Hart, meanwhile he is on IR !

 

[Antropovsky]

Our PK was bad with Mitch, no one says a word. Equally bad PK without Marner? Oh boy do we miss him !!!

Carolina literally being the 2nd best PK in the league.


.... omg look how bad our pp looked vs Carolina without Marner.

 

[Zybalto]

Marner since the all star break:


5 goals, 23 points in 15 games.

5v5 REL numbers:
xGF%: +11.47
Goal Differential%: +25.92

Hope he comes back soon. Team feels really off without him. He really solidifies the top line and the depth trickles down so much better.

 

[Antropovsky]

2023 playoffs - even strength - individual high danger scoring chances (iHDCF) and on-ice scoring chances for vs against.

iHDCF - Any high danger scoring chance by the player, outside of the shootout:

Matthews: 21
Tavares: 19
Nylander: 16
Kampf: 6
Kerfoot: 6
Acciari: 6
Marner: 5

SCF - Count of Scoring Chances for that player's team while that player is on the ice.

Marner - 92 scoring chances for 101 scoring chances against (47.6%)
Matthews - 109 scoring chances for, 108 scoring chances against (50.2)
Nylander - 96 scoring chances for, 98 scoring chances against (49.5)
Tavares - 81 scoring chances for, 89 scoring chances against (47.6%)