Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[DarkKnight]

Marner since the all star break:


5 goals, 23 points in 15 games.

5v5 REL numbers:
xGF%: +11.47
Goal Differential%: +25.92

Hope he comes back soon. Team feels really off without him. He really solidifies the top line and the depth trickles down so much better.

Love to see Matthews zone time the past three games with Marner out. I noticed the last five games prior to injury, even though Matthews had gone cold, Marner was generating chances for him and they were rarely hemmed in our end. My eye notes a discernible difference.

 

[Gary Nylund]

5 pOiNtS

Who cares.

We are sub .500 with Marner out of the line up all- time. WAY abover .650 with any of the other big 4 out. Not a coincidence.

Matthews line was caved in all night last night, that never happens with Marner on the line. Power Play looks absolutely abysmal, PK, abysmal.

If you cant see how much better we are, how much better MATTHEWS is when 16 is in the line up then I dont know what to tell you.

That Matthews line had NO pace to it last night. None. That literally never happens when 16 is playing with him.

The object of the game is to win. The idea that 5 points out of 6 could be considered a setback is insane. The end.

Now back to your goalpost shifting and changing the subject.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Solid evidence that you either don't watch the games (as you've admitted) or don't know how to. But it doesn't really matter, you are on record saying that he should be traded and that's all we need to know that you are a non rational hater.

Like I said, 5 points in 6 games. I've exposed your lies so many times and I'm tired of repeating myself so I'll just say that I feel sorry for you. You've been obsessed me for quite some time and that can't be healthy. I sincerely wish you all the best.

 

[ToneDog]

I have to say, blind devotees, on the other hand, are very entertaining! The amount of praise he gets now, you'd think he's running for Hart, meanwhile he is on IR !

If he does not come back soon, we might have to fast track his statue on Legend's row.

 

[francis246]

Like I said, 5 points in 6 games. I've exposed your lies so many times and I'm tired of repeating myself so I'll just say that I feel sorry for you. You've been obsessed me for quite some time and that can't be healthy. I sincerely wish you all the best.

To be fair against boston Marner was the only one out of the big four to score against boston and generate any type of offense. Nylander, Matthews and Tavares looked completely useless in those games.

Points are nice but look at the quality of competition they’ve faced. The teams they’ve played sucked TBH. MTL, PHI and then Carolina is okay.

 

[Antropovsky]

To be fair against boston Marner was the only one out of the big four to score against boston and generate any type of offense. Nylander, Matthews and Tavares looked completely useless in those games.

Points are nice but look at the quality of competition they’ve faced. The teams they’ve played sucked TBH. MTL, PHI and then Carolina is okay.

Hate to break it to you:

With Marner:
Carolina: 3-2 regulation loss
Flyers: 4-3 OT win
Montreal: 6-5 shootout win

Goal Differential 11 goals for 11 goals against

Without Marner:
Carolina: 5-4 shootout loss
Flyers: 6-2 win
Montreal: 3-2 win

Goal Differential 12 goals for 9 goals against

 

[Gary Nylund]

To be fair against boston Marner was the only one out of the big four to score against boston and generate any type of offense. Nylander, Matthews and Tavares looked completely useless in those games.

Points are nice but look at the quality of competition they’ve faced. The teams they’ve played sucked TBH. MTL, PHI and then Carolina is okay.

I've already said we're a better team with Marner and that we need him in top form for the playoffs. I agree we haven't looked great without him but tell me, how does calling a 3 game stretch where we picked up 5 points a "setback" make sense?

I would also say Carolina is better than OK, especially after their moves at the TDL. Current cup odds show them at 9-1 (tied with NY for 4th best), the Leafs are 14-1.

 

[Arzak]

I've already said we're a better team with Marner and that we need him in top form for the playoffs. I agree we haven't looked great without him but tell me, how does calling a 3 game stretch where we picked up 5 points a "setback" make sense?

I would also say Carolina is better than OK, especially after their moves at the TDL. Current cup odds show them at 9-1 (tied with NY for 4th best), the Leafs are 14-1.

To be fair, the Cup odds are heavily screwed by anticipated matchups. Bruins and Panthers are number 1 & 2 in the league, which f*cks our odds good.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Anyone else who can't follow the rule stated in the thread title "NOT POSTER DISCUSSION" will get what they deserve.

You've already gotten warned via that - here's another free warning.

 

[Mr_Fun]

With Reilly, AM, and Mitch out, the team has managed to step up and play winning hockey. It definitely indicates that our star players - as a group - are capable of playing at a higher level when needed. Let's make this true in the playoffs too, boys.

 

[Gary Nylund]

To be fair, the Cup odds are heavily screwed by anticipated matchups. Bruins and Panthers are number 1 & 2 in the league, which f*cks our odds good.

Yes matchups is a good point. I don't think Boston's regarded that highly though despite being 2nd overall but sure, we have a tougher path than Carolina. I still say Carolina is a good team though, here are the current odds to win the cup for anyone interested.

 

[Gary Nylund]

With Reilly, AM, and Mitch out, the team has managed to step up and play winning hockey. It definitely indicates that our star players - as a group - are capable of playing at a higher level when needed. Let's make this true in the playoffs too, boys.

Yeah not sure why people are complaining about how we're playing without Marner. We haven't looked great but still, we're scoring a lot of goals and we're winning so why complain? We also seem to be destined to finish in 3rd place so these games don't even matter much, we should just be getting ready for the playoffs.

I don't have high hopes for the playoffs though, I'm less optimistic than I've been in ages. But you never know, if one of our goalies gets hot and our superstars figure out how to carry over regular season play to the playoffs, anything's possible I guess.

 

[GoonieFace]

Yeah not sure why people are complaining about how we're playing without Marner. We haven't looked great but still, we're scoring a lot of goals and we're winning so why complain? We also seem to be destined to finish in 3rd place so these games don't even matter much, we should just be getting ready for the playoffs.

I don't have high hopes for the playoffs though, I'm less optimistic than I've been in ages. But you never know, if one of our goalies gets hot and our superstars figure out how to carry over regular season play to the playoffs, anything's possible I guess.

Yeah it’s weird that getting 5 of 6 points is somehow a setback. I’m the opposite, I actually think they will do well in the playoffs. I think they can beat Boston in a series. Maybe I’ve lost my mind

 

[DarkKnight]

With Reilly, AM, and Mitch out, the team has managed to step up and play winning hockey. It definitely indicates that our star players - as a group - are capable of playing at a higher level when needed. Let's make this true in the playoffs too, boys.

Maybe it means we might actually get some depth scoring too. In a series, if you can get two wins from your stars, one from your goalie and one from your depth guys, that's all you need. Part of the problem with the Dubas model was all the pressure is put on the guns to produce or die. Other teams game plan against this top heavy model as well. The Stanley Cup is littered with role names that came up big, it's part of the recipe.

 

[Antropovsky]

Leafs are built backwards. Theory has always been to build from the net out. One series win over the span of having this distribution of cap space is evidence that the theory is probably right. Winning teams like Colorado, Vegas, and Tampa all have significantly better defenses/goalies.

Leafs 2024:
Goalie, 5 million
Defense, 20 million
Forwards, 57.6 million

 

[BTP]

The object of the game is to win. The idea that 5 points out of 6 could be considered a setback is insane. The end.

Now back to your goalpost shifting and changing the subject.

There are no "points" in the playoffs. We would have given up a 3-0 lead. And then a 2 goal lead with 5 f***ing seconds left. And then gone on to lose the game.

We're in the playoffs - At this time of year the way we play is much more valuable than the points.

 

[Stephen]

Leafs are built backwards. Theory has always been to build from the net out. One series win over the span of having this distribution of cap space is evidence that the theory is probably right. Winning teams like Colorado, Vegas, and Tampa all have significantly better defenses/goalies.

Leafs 2024:
Goalie, 5 million
Defense, 20 million
Forwards, 57.6 million

Most teams aren't built from the net out either sequentially or have their best and most expensive player there... A team like Vancouver with Pettersson, Hughes and Demko would probably be on paper the most well rounded base though, with one key star at each critical position, then full it out with supporting cast.

The Leafs could do well to add a "second strength" if they could ever secure a Saros or something, so they could fall back on a star goalie game with confidence, and also mask some of their crappy blueline construction.

 

[studebaker17]

Maybe it means we might actually get some depth scoring too. In a series, if you can get two wins from your stars, one from your goalie and one from your depth guys, that's all you need. Part of the problem with the Dubas model was all the pressure is put on the guns to produce or die. Other teams game plan against this top heavy model as well. The Stanley Cup is littered with role names that came up big, it's part of the recipe.

Keefe coaches the game like only the stars matter. For the 1st time in his career he recently started playing all lines like they mattered . They'll never win a a 1 line hockey team . No team wins like that.

 

[authentic]

I've already said we're a better team with Marner and that we need him in top form for the playoffs. I agree we haven't looked great without him but tell me, how does calling a 3 game stretch where we picked up 5 points a "setback" make sense?

I would also say Carolina is better than OK, especially after their moves at the TDL. Current cup odds show them at 9-1 (tied with NY for 4th best), the Leafs are 14-1.

Especially since if the game against Carolina was reffed anywhere close to correctly we win it easily

 

[Maple Leaf]

wow. i think we need marner

 

[authentic]

Maybe it means we might actually get some depth scoring too. In a series, if you can get two wins from your stars, one from your goalie and one from your depth guys, that's all you need. Part of the problem with the Dubas model was all the pressure is put on the guns to produce or die. Other teams game plan against this top heavy model as well. The Stanley Cup is littered with role names that came up big, it's part of the recipe.

What worries me now is we’ll get some scoring depth finally but our defense and goaltending will take a beating. If they can somehow get that PK going half decently then we could actually be tough to contend with

 

[notDatsyuk]

To be fair against boston Marner was the only one out of the big four to score against boston and generate any type of offense. Nylander, Matthews and Tavares looked completely useless in those games.

Points are nice but look at the quality of competition they’ve faced. The teams they’ve played sucked TBH. MTL, PHI and then Carolina is okay.

Marner scored on the PP, but JT scored at ES. There were seven Leafs with more shots than Mitch, including Matthews, Nylander, and Tavares.

If you think Mitch was the only one generating offence, I would have to disagree.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Maybe if Marner wasn't such a douche this thread would read a lot differently.

He's clearly a top player in the league. It's pretty hard to criticize his play. Sure I'd like to see him come through in the clutch more often too.

But that's not what the problem is.

Even if this guy was the clutchiest player of all time it wouldn't matter. A good chunk of the fans still wouldn't like him. That's because he's a dick.

Like father like son.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree. Hell Marner might be even more of a tool than his dad. To be honest I can actually relate to the old man.

My kid's a bigger goof than me too.

 

[ZEBROA]

It's natural to want more from your players as a fan when your team isn't getting the wins you want, but that shouldn't mean singling out Marner - who is already one of our best playoff players - and massively underrating what he's already doing. As for talking to media, it's unrealistic to expect a team leader to avoid that, and there's no legitimate reason for him to avoid that.

Matthews need to be even better then Marner, he is the one who is supposed to score.
If Marner get destracted by the media, then Keefe should just not let him talk to the media. As a coach you need to do whats is best for your team. If that is a FU to media then that is what u do.

Marner might handle it better this year , who knows.
But i would not care at all what media expect or think is ok regarding a single player. Team leader or not.
Only if there is in a contract of some sort that Leafs have to let media talk to Marner, if there is not , just let him be.

 

[francis246]

Maybe if Marner wasn't such a douche this thread would read a lot differently.

He's clearly a top player in the league. It's pretty hard to criticize his play. Sure I'd like to see him come through in the clutch more often too.

But that's not what the problem is.

Even if this guy was the clutchiest player of all time it wouldn't matter. A good chunk of the fans still wouldn't like him. That's because he's a dick.

Like father like son.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree. Hell Marner might be even more of a tool than his dad. To be honest I can actually relate to the old man.

My kid's a bigger goof than me too.

Posts like these need to be banned. Criticize the players play.

Unless you know Marner personally, this is all speculative. We don’t know that he’s a dick or douche. He could be the complete opposite of Paul Marner. I find it weird that people have this obsession with painting Marner as this character. You don’t know him, I’m sure you’ve never even met him a day in your life. Being crappy at media avails doesn’t make you a douche. Makes you bad at media avails. Some of you need to chill. Criticize the play, stop being weird and attacking a strangers personality on the basis of nothing.