Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[authentic]

Oh please. We had 11x 100 point scorers in 2022-23, with the Art Ross winner scoring 153 points. Matthews didn't even get there. Marner didn't get there.

There are currently 3x 100 point scorers in the scoring race now, it's only March 9.

Between 1997 and 2004 there were 11x 100 scorers total. In 8 years of hockey.

Matthews and Marner are shaping up to be the greatest Maple Leafs in history, better than Sundin, I'll give you that. But why do they suck in the playoffs? If it's not a talent flaw, it's another kind of flaw. It sure as hell isn't luck.

Pat Lafontaine had 148 points that season. Goals per game were 7.23 instead of around 6.15 last I checked. Kucherov was the top scorer who didn’t play on Edmonton last season with 113 points. But besides that’s not even Sundins best season anyway, he actually did finish 4th in the dead puck era one season with over 40 goals. Suck in the playoffs is also a massive exaggeration, one I’m guessing they very soon put to rest.

 

[JL17]

We’ve already seen it every time he’s been injured, look at our record.

Anyone see the play where he got injured?

Right after he didn’t shoot the puck on the empty net when he goes to the other side flops around jams his toe in the ice and tweaked his ankle.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

No offence man but don't think you've watched Sundin enough. Matthews would not have done done what Sundin did with the linemates he had and the era in which he played in. Matthews would have turtled, he turtkes now in tough games in Mats day those games were played like that almost every game.

Plus Sundin was a beast in the playoffs with clutch play.

Probably wouldn’t have gotten hurt if he just shot the damn puck into a yawning cage instead of dipsy-doodling around the net.

That's what happens when "Fancy Mitch" rears his head....he takes a no brainer play like shooting into an empty net into something...else?

 

[Gary Nylund]

We’ve already seen it every time he’s been injured, look at our record.

Anyone see the play where he got injured?

By that logic, Rielly is terrible because when he's been injured, we do nothing but win.

You should know better than to post this nonsense. At least I think you should, maybe I'm wrong.

 

[DarkKnight]

Man, never has a missed opportunity drawn such scorn. It's funny too because he's the only one who actually capitalized and scored and was easily the best of the big guns that game.

 

[diceman934]

Yet he factually falls off a cliff in games 5 6 7. It's a statistical fact and is concerning. In most sports they would say he is a choke artist.

Yet he has more playoff points then any other Leaf...so who is it that falls off a cliff..

 

[666]

Anyone not drinking Mitch Cool Aid is a hater in your eyes, but that's beside the point

You should thank them for the mildest profanity on the internet - ffs...

It allowed you to disregard the fact that Matthews is the best goal scorer in the league, anyone playing with him gets his share of assists.

Or the fact that JT is re-animated corpse at this stage of his hockey life


Funny, you talk about touchy, got touched by ffs

The irony is strong with this one

I have no idea who you are so you probably have never posted anything of significance which is exactly what you've done again. But it appears that we have another emotional hater around. Why are you guys so emotional?

 

[Strangle]

Yet he factually falls off a cliff in games 5 6 7. It's a statistical fact and is concerning. In most sports they would say he is a choke artist.

Weak-brained

 

[Arzak]

I have no idea who you are so you probably have never posted anything of significance which is exactly what you've done again. But it appears that we have another emotional hater around. Why are you guys so emotional?

Instead of pretending there was anything emotional in my response ( there was not). Try answering two simple hockey questions.

It's funny, the only one being overly emotional is you. To the point that instead of responding to questions, you call people haters. Because you have nothing to say.

That was the only reason I replied. You don't get to ignore questions, by playing victim and calling others haters.

btw the bolded just screams insecure

And thanks for calling me emotional!

 

[DarkKnight]

I have no idea who you are so you probably have never posted anything of significance which is exactly what you've done again. But it appears that we have another emotional hater around. Why are you guys so emotional?

The best for me is the "fan boys" who dare to respond to their obvious over the top emotional preoccupation with the guy. 1000 percent projecting their own behaviour and you're just to left to laugh at their anger. This isn't high level stuff going on here, it's pretty easy to decipher, and the back and forth is just rhetorical nonsense for the most part. Yes, he has to show up in the tough moments, just like a few others. If you think it will never happen, why not find another team, or do you really just enjoy protecting your own unhappiness and that keeps you here? Again, it really boils down to things completely unrelated to hockey. Oh have you felt slighted because someone dared attack your weak sauce, boo hoo. Sorry to have dunked on your zero game routine. And then you're mad, meanwhile it's all just funny.

Hope he isn't out long, he's an incredibly important part of the team.

 

[666]

Instead of pretending there was anything emotional in my response ( there was not). Try answering two simple hockey questions.

It's funny, the only one being overly emotional is you. To the point that instead of responding to questions, you call people haters. Because you have nothing to say.

That was the only reason I replied. You don't get to ignore questions, by playing victim and calling others haters.

btw the bolded just screams insecure

And thanks for calling me emotional!

I don't see any questions dude.

 

[al secord]

Marner can lay an egg this playoff and they are still re-signing him to $12.5 mil plus


Neither are overly physical but Sundin used his size much more to his advantage than Matthews. Way better offensively? No. Better? Perhaps. But Sundin in this era would put up huge numbers as well

I couldn't imagine Mats playing pickup sticks during a playoff scrum against Tampa. Nor would Stammer ever try that shit with Sundin's collar.

 

[Stephen]

Pat Lafontaine had 148 points that season. Goals per game were 7.23 instead of around 6.15 last I checked. Kucherov was the top scorer who didn’t play on Edmonton last season with 113 points. But besides that’s not even Sundins best season anyway, he actually did finish 4th in the dead puck era one season with over 40 goals. Suck in the playoffs is also a massive exaggeration, one I’m guessing they very soon put to rest.

Sundin finishing 4th in league scoring is higher than any current Leaf finish.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The best for me is the "fan boys" who dare to respond to their obvious over the top emotional preoccupation with the guy. 1000 percent projecting their own behaviour and you're just to left to laugh at their anger. This isn't high level stuff going on here, it's pretty easy to decipher, and the back and forth is just rhetorical nonsense for the most part. Yes, he has to show up in the tough moments, just like a few others. If you think it will never happen, why not find another team, or do you really just enjoy protecting your own unhappiness and that keeps you here? Again, it really boils down to things completely unrelated to hockey. Oh have you felt slighted because someone dared attack your weak sauce, boo hoo. Sorry to have dunked on your zero game routine. And then you're mad, meanwhile it's all just funny.

Hope he isn't out long, he's an incredibly important part of the team.

This post ... insecurity cubed.

Sundin finishing 4th in league scoring is s
Leo higher than any current Leaf finish.

Seems like a valid point!

 

[Arzak]

I don't see any questions dude.

My bad. The lack of question marks must be confusing. Let me rephrase it for you, two valid points were raised.

Matty is the best goal scorer in the league and anyone playing with him will get his fair share of assists.

JT playing like an animated corpse is hindering Nylanders' performance and stats.
How is any of this controversial?

Instead of addressing points raised, you chose to call two posters haters.

We all wish he was as good as he is in your head. Every single poster here. Some just can't ignore the reality the way you can.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Or what Danault did to Matthews

Get completely outplayed and outscored by a guy with an injured wrist and get bailed out by their goaltender?

 

[Aashir]

team played the same as they did the past week with him, pk was just as good without him. FIrst line just as bad

 

[notDatsyuk]

That's why I mentioned Knives and his 26 points. He's fine but he's not even a top 6 at this point in his career.


All of those things that you mention are also used to match up M&M against the best opponents, all you have to do is watch the games particularly both of the recent Boston games.

C'mon man, if you were an opposing team who do try to shut down?

We're drifting from the point. People here are suggesting that we should trade Marner and keep Nylander because "he's the top scorer on the team". Anyone who watches the games should know that Nylander is a defensive trainwreck and Marner is the one you keep.

Are you suggesting that Knies and Matthews are worse than Bert and JT?

All those things are reasons why matchups don't work more than some of the time, whereas you are out with your linemates virtually all the time.

I think the point is that we can't trade Nylander now, but we can let Mitch go. If one of them has to go, which I don't necessarily agree with, Mitch is much easier.

Again, looking at quality of linemates, Matty is excellent defensively while JT and Bert are not. Looking at quality of competition, if you're the opposing coach, which line do you put your best defensive players (who aren't necessarily your best offensive players) against?

 

[nsleaf]

My bad. The lack of question marks must be confusing. Let me rephrase it for you, two valid points were raised.

Matty is the best goal scorer in the league and anyone playing with him will get his fair share of assists.

JT playing like an animated corpse is hindering Nylanders' performance and stats.
How is any of this controversial?

Instead of addressing points raised, you chose to call two posters haters.

We all wish he was as good as he is in your head. Every single poster here. Some just can't ignore the reality the way you can.

Your opinions are not reality. They are just opinions.

 

[notdoneyet]

My bad. The lack of question marks must be confusing. Let me rephrase it for you, two valid points were raised.

Matty is the best goal scorer in the league and anyone playing with him will get his fair share of assists.

JT playing like an animated corpse is hindering Nylanders' performance and stats.
How is any of this controversial?

Instead of addressing points raised, you chose to call two posters haters.

We all wish he was as good as he is in your head. Every single poster here. Some just can't ignore the reality the way you can.

Matthews didn’t look so good tonight without him. But hey it’s Matthews scoring that gets Mitch all his points.

 

[Zybalto]

The team never looks the same without Marner.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Matthews didn’t look so good tonight without him. But hey it’s Matthews scoring that gets Mitch all his points.

The entire team has looked bad last few games.

 

[DarkKnight]

The team never looks the same without Marner.

The first line hasn’t been rolling, but at least they had good zone time and chances, go look at last night, dead last on the team, absolutely horrible numbers. That line was penned in our end the whole night, and if you can’t see where Marner fits in there, you’re lost as a hockey “commentator”.

 

[Gallagbi]

The team never looks the same without Marner.

In fairness they haven't looked good during this flu bug with him either

 

[GoonieFace]

The team never looks the same without Marner.

Oh you mean the 3 goals they put in the previous 3 games. They scored 3 last night, they did just fine