Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Gary Nylund]

Never change....before last playoffs you and others stated that Marner disappeared in the playoffs. Then he got 14 points in 11 games and was a plus 7.... and now it is he disappeared after 86 games.
So no matter what he does you will not be happy with him.

You simply dislike him for no reason. It is ok but just admit it....own it.

His overall production drops in the playoffs as well, but after the first 4 games is where he really falls off. Here are the number for our big 4 for the last 5 years (numbers compiled by someone else):

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season
Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs
Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs
Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

Then of course there are the most concerning number for Marner:
Games 1-4 - 1.19 PPG
Games 5-7 - 0.47 PPG

I was singing his praises a year ago, so the bolded it nothing but lies. He's like any other player to me, I like him when he's playing well more than I do when he plays like garbage. I remember asking you a long time ago what you thought of his play in game 3 against Florida (the biggest game of the year) and you ran away.

You're a pretty smart guy but it's well known that Marner is your golden boy (Rielly too) and when it comes to your favorites, I've never seen you acknowledge even the slightest criticism. All you do is deflect, deflect, and make personal attacks and this post of yours is a perfect example.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marners most serious flaw is talking to media.
And being his best when it counts the most.

That said we need them all to be at the top of there game in the playoffs.
We could make it without one of the top 4. But the odds would be way worse.

He's terrible with the media but the second part is the real problem. Not only is he not at his best when it counts the most, all too often he's nowhere close to that and last year in the biggest game of the year, he was the worst player on the ice.

 

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[ZEBROA]

He's terrible with the media but the second part is the real problem. Not only is he not at his best when it counts the most, all too often he's nowhere close to that and last year in the biggest game of the year, he was the worst player on the ice.

Yeah he need to be his best this playoff, and i think he will. Staying away from media would probably help.

 

[666]

My bad. The lack of question marks must be confusing. Let me rephrase it for you, two valid points were raised.

Matty is the best goal scorer in the league and anyone playing with him will get his fair share of assists.

JT playing like an animated corpse is hindering Nylanders' performance and stats.
How is any of this controversial?

Instead of addressing points raised, you chose to call two posters haters.

We all wish he was as good as he is in your head. Every single poster here. Some just can't ignore the reality the way you can.

You must be new around here. We've been dealing with some of these haters for years. The Habs series appears to be the one that out and out snapped some of them.

Of course Matthews is a superstar but if you can't see Marner creates a lot of space for him then you're not watching. You'd expect Knives to do bit better too. Nylander with Matthews is also great offensively.

The issue with Nylander isn't that everyone acknowledges that he's bad defensively but the people I'm talking about don't recognize how incredibly horrible he is. The guy is the top scorer on the team and is a negative player. He's 23rd on the team. He's worse than JT's animated corpse. The stats point it out but once again just watch how lazy and ineffective he is defensively and how much of a cheater and perimeter player he is offensively. And yet there are some people who still think he's close to Marner in value. Those are the haters because they aren't using reason and critical thinking but instead emotion and well ... hate.

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This is gold. Calling @Gary Nylund.

 

[Raging Bull]

Well this thread is going great again.

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Good Lord.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[ACC1224]

Huge loss.

 

[Aashir]

day to day is better than week to week

Like any other of the big guys, we aren’t better without him. Hopefully he can be back by Edmonton

 

[Pebble live]

He drives so much offense hopefully its only another game or two.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

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There's a warning about talking about the player and not posters, but at a certain point it's almost impossible and the complaining party 100% brings it on themselves.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Unlike when Rielly isn't playing, there is a noticeable difference when Marner doesn't play. That game against the Habs was atrocious, especially the first line. Matthews and Nylander created nothing together, and Bertuzzi was a black hole. Those wanting us not to sign him are getting a glimpse into what this offence would be like without Marner.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Meh. I'm all for load management down the stretch

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Marner looks like he might be a Bruin killer. Bodes well for us for that series at least

 

[Gary Nylund]

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Just sharing relevant information with people who seem like they're unaware of some basic facts.

You must be new around here. We've been dealing with some of these haters for years. The Habs series appears to be the one that out and out snapped some of them.

Of course Matthews is a superstar but if you can't see Marner creates a lot of space for him then you're not watching. You'd expect Knives to do bit better too. Nylander with Matthews is also great offensively.

The issue with Nylander isn't that everyone acknowledges that he's bad defensively but the people I'm talking about don't recognize how incredibly horrible he is. The guy is the top scorer on the team and is a negative player. He's 23rd on the team. He's worse than JT's animated corpse. The stats point it out but once again just watch how lazy and ineffective he is defensively and how much of a cheater and perimeter player he is offensively. And yet there are some people who still think he's close to Marner in value. Those are the haters because they aren't using reason and critical thinking but instead emotion and well ... hate.

Using +- stats? Geez Louise, I haven't seen anyone do that in ages. Pretty much everyone knows that it's a useless stat, did you miss the memo? I mean Bunting had better +- numbers than Marner the last 2 seasons, you don't think Bunting's anywhere near Marner's caliber a player do you?

That's just one example, there are many, many others.

day to day is better than week to week

Like any other of the big guys, we aren’t better without him. Hopefully he can be back by Edmonton

As long as he's back in time to get revved up for the playoffs, that's all I want.

Unlike when Rielly isn't playing, there is a noticeable difference when Marner doesn't play. That game against the Habs was atrocious, especially the first line. Matthews and Nylander created nothing together, and Bertuzzi was a black hole. Those wanting us not to sign him are getting a glimpse into what this offence would be like without Marner.

So you think Rielly's irrelevant?

Maybe use some common sense here. Marner and Rielly are both among our best players (Rielly was arguably our best player last playoffs), and it's obvious that we have a better chance of winning when players like that are in the lineup but pointing to one game and saying this is what this offence "would be like" is ridiculous, and our offence has been sucking for a while now (4 goals total in the previous 3 games with Marner).

 

[GoonieFace]

Unlike when Rielly isn't playing, there is a noticeable difference when Marner doesn't play. That game against the Habs was atrocious, especially the first line. Matthews and Nylander created nothing together, and Bertuzzi was a black hole. Those wanting us not to sign him are getting a glimpse into what this offence would be like without Marner.

Unlike when Rielly isn't playing, there is a noticeable difference when Marner doesn't play. That game against the Habs was atrocious, especially the first line. Matthews and Nylander created nothing together, and Bertuzzi was a black hole. Those wanting us not to sign him are getting a glimpse into what this offence would be like without Marner.

It’s dumb comments like this. Matthews and Nylander have done well together in the past, pointing to one game as a measuring stick is just plain stupid. No one is going to argue that without Marner in the lineup the team is worse.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Just sharing relevant information with people who seem like they're unaware of some basic facts.

Using +- stats? Geez Louise, I haven't seen anyone do that in ages. Pretty much everyone knows that it's a useless stat, did you miss the memo? I mean Bunting had better +- numbers than Marner the last 2 seasons, you don't think Bunting's anywhere near Marner's caliber a player do you?

That's just one example, there are many, many others.

As long as he's back in time to get revved up for the playoffs, that's all I want.

So you think Rielly's irrelevant?

Maybe use some common sense here. Marner and Rielly are both among our best players (Rielly was arguably our best player last playoffs), and it's obvious that we have a better chance of winning when players like that are in the lineup but pointing to one game and saying this is what this offence "would be like" is ridiculous, and our offence has been sucking for a while now (4 goals total in the previous 3 games with Marner).

Where did I say that Rielly is irrelevant? Let me clarify cause you’ve missed my point. He definitely was one of our best players last playoff. The point I’m trying to make is backed up by the Leafs record with Rielly out of the lineup all-time…43-18-5. Without him in the lineup the last two years…18-2-1. We need Rielly but for some reason we play a more responsible defensive game with him out of the lineup. It could be because Rielly is not very good defensively, or perhaps he hasn’t been paired with a good defensive partner. Common sense enough for you buddy?

 

[CabanaBoy5]

It’s dumb comments like this. Matthews and Nylander have done well together in the past, pointing to one game as a measuring stick is just plain stupid. No one is going to argue that without Marner in the lineup the team is worse.

Just because you don’t agree with my comment doesn’t make it dumb. Let me clarify so you’ll understand my point. Leafs record without Marner in the lineup all time is 13-13-4. I believe Marner makes a great partner for Matthews . Would Nylander make a better partner for Matthews permanently? Perhaps. But we KNOW Marner is. After all, Matthews is on a record pace for any Leaf scorer in history. When Marner is on, and even when he isn’t, he creates offence for us like no other Leaf.

Learn to respect people’s opinions. Because they differ from yours doesn’t make them “dumb”.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Where did I say that Rielly is irrelevant? Let me clarify cause you’ve missed my point. He definitely was one of our best players last playoff. The point I’m trying to make is backed up by the Leafs record with Rielly out of the lineup all-time…43-18-5. We need Rielly but for some reason we play a more responsible defensive game with him out of the lineup. It could be because Rielly is not very good defensively, or perhaps he hasn’t been paired with a good defensive partner. Common sense enough for you buddy?

It’s pretty clear the forwards in particular were playing a much different game when Rielly was out. They were all dropping back deeper into the zone, supporting the puck with short passes and chipping it out more.

Maybe it’s an issue with Rielly but I think it’s a mentality thing with the team and the team should be playing that tight game no matter who is on the ice.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

It’s pretty clear the forwards in particular were playing a much different game when Rielly was out. They were all dropping back deeper into the zone, supporting the puck with short passes and chipping it out more.

Maybe it’s an issue with Rielly but I think it’s a mentality thing with the team and the team should be playing that tight game no matter who is on the ice.

I agree. That was my point. Not that we don’t need Rielly. We seem to miss Marner more and the record backs it up.

 

[Gabriel426]

Might be a blessing in disguise. Hopefully he won't be rush back and have a good rest then come back in the playoffs and dominate.

 

[Gabriel426]

I agree. That was my point. Not that we don’t need Rielly. We seem to miss Marner more and the record backs it up.

I think when MM is not playing, the Leafs needed to remake the top two lines. Where as when AM is out, JT will just take his spot on the 1st line. Willie is out someone will take his spot on the 2nd line. Same with JT.
Which is quite interesting. I know the Knies, Kampf and McMann line was good on Sat, and also Knies was struggling(IMO rookie wall) but I don't see why Keefe needed to do that. BC Bert can't play with AM. Willie is Willie.
I would might have Domi plays with AM and Knies, as Domi is more a playmaker than a shooter.
Move JT back up with Bert and Willie. Then have McMann, Kampf and Calle on a line.
Or if Keefe is trying something new, I might even put JT on the wing with AM and have Knies on the other wing.

 

[AuraSphere]

should have pulled a mark stone and put him on LTIR before deadline

 

[ZEBROA]

Unlike when Rielly isn't playing, there is a noticeable difference when Marner doesn't play. That game against the Habs was atrocious, especially the first line. Matthews and Nylander created nothing together, and Bertuzzi was a black hole. Those wanting us not to sign him are getting a glimpse into what this offence would be like without Marner.

I dontthink Marner and Matthews would create much more that game. The team seems off overall. Bert should not play on the first line.

 

[GoonieFace]

Just because you don’t agree with my comment doesn’t make it dumb. Let me clarify so you’ll understand my point. Leafs record without Marner in the lineup all time is 13-13-4. I believe Marner makes a great partner for Matthews . Would Nylander make a better partner for Matthews permanently? Perhaps. But we KNOW Marner is. After all, Matthews is on a record pace for any Leaf scorer in history. When Marner is on, and even when he isn’t, he creates offence for us like no other Leaf.

Learn to respect people’s opinions. Because they differ from yours doesn’t make them “dumb”.

My apologies, the way I read it was you were making snap judgments based on Saturdays game.

Either way, no one would argue we are better off without Marner in the lineup. Sometimes it easier to overcome the loss of a Dman as everyone else can step up and play a 200ft game. Records without players in the lineup don’t always tell the whole story, and for forwards it means shuffling around the lines, which usually takes time to gel.

Personally style wise I don’t see the fit with Nylander and Matthews long term.

It all boils down to post season results for some. While it’s nice to see the individual stats, most of us are Leaf fans first, and we would trade Matthews 70 goals season and 100 point seasons for a Stanley Cup run.