Player Discussion Mitch Marner

[Gary Nylund]

Oh you mean the 3 goals they put in the previous 3 games. They scored 3 last night, they did just fine

No matter what, it was just one game. It's amusing that people would point to one game as evidence of anything one way or the other, they may was well hold up a big sign that says:

"I LOVE MARNER BUT I'M INSECURE".

 

[ACC1224]

I’m sure everyone agrees that this team is pretty much unwatchable when Marner is out of the lineup.

 

[Arzak]

Your opinions are not reality. They are just opinions.

I wasn't providing my opinions but rather stating objective facts.


I.e. you can't travel faster than light. Matty is the best goal scorer in the league... etc

I posted it, but that doesn't make it my opinion, does it?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I’m sure everyone agrees that this team is pretty much unwatchable when Marner is out of the lineup.

You really need to stop making dumb statements while arrogantly assuming that you speak for everyone. I know you've been told this before so you probably just don't understand the concept but still, would be so hard to think even just a little bit before posting?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I wasn't providing my opinions but rather stating objective facts.

I.e. you can't travel faster than light. Matty is the best goal scorer in the league... etc

I posted it, but that doesn't make it my opinion, does it?

I think this the only thread where there's a few simple facts that are off limits to some insecure people. All you have to do is mention them, and they will immediately label you a hater.

Marner's a great player, hopefully he's 100% both physically and mentally when the playoffs start. We're in tough against Boston, hard to see us getting past them without a big contribution from all our top players.

 

[GoonieFace]

You really need to stop making dumb statements while arrogantly assuming that you speak for everyone. I know you've been told this before so you probably just don't understand the concept but still, would be so hard to think even just a little bit before posting?

Honestly, probably best to not post here anymore and let them salivate over the 27 year old man in peace

 

[Gary Nylund]

Honestly, probably best to not post here anymore and let them salivate over the 27 year old man in peace

No doubt you're right. I'm just killing time here while doing some work at home though I must admit, it does feel like we keep spinning around in the same old circles and of course the thread title just keeps getting ignored.

It's funny, the same posters that were constantly saying "can't you read the thread title" when the title had the word "appreciation" in it are now completely ignoring "Player Discussion Not Poster Discussion".

 

[Stephen]

I’m sure everyone agrees that this team is pretty much unwatchable when Marner is out of the lineup.

Well, Boston 1, Buffalo and Boston 2 were some of the worst Leaf games to watch this season with Marner playing... But to be fair to Mitch he does get a lot of flack that should be directed towards Auston at times. Case in point he wasn’t even playing vs Montreal and we are all abuzz talking Marner while it’s crickets in the Matthews thread.

 

[DarkKnight]

Here’s the past four games, when people say the top line, Matthews, no difference without Marner. Which one stands out. Matthews lived in his own end last night, and anyone with a half a clue acknowledges Marner is responsible for many a d zone breakout. Anyways, back to inane cheap seat reaffirmations.

Marner top 5 every game.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Here’s the past four games, when people say the top line, Matthews, no difference without Marner. Which one stands out. Matthews lived in his own end last night, and anyone with a half a clue acknowledges Marner is responsible for many a d zone breakout. Anyways, back to inane cheap seat rea

So you feel the need to do some sort of statistical deep dive, analyzing a miniscule sample of games to prove Marner's a good player. Wow!

Everyone knows Marner's a good player, especially for the first 86 games of the season. How insecure do you have to be to argue something that everyone knows to be true?

 

[PROUD PAPA]

I have to say that the lengths the Marner/Nylander camps go to in support of their guy and against the other guy are really something. Both have incredible strengths to their games but both have serious flaws to their games as well. To me all this debate is more about a style preference than the actual players themselves.

 

[BTP]

I have to say that the lengths the Marner/Nylander camps go to in support of their guy and against the other guy are really something. Both have incredible strengths to their games but both have serious flaws to their games as well. To me all this debate is more about a style preference than the actual players themselves.

Marner doesnt have a single "serious flaw"

 

[Maple Leaf]

I have to say that the lengths the Marner/Nylander camps go to in support of their guy and against the other guy are really something. Both have incredible strengths to their games but both have serious flaws to their games as well. To me all this debate is more about a style preference than the actual players themselves.

My style is trading the core that doesn't work but whatever

 

[DarkKnight]

This idea of "camps" is bullshit, I don't actively cheer against any of our players. When Willie succeeds I enjoy every second of it, we've watched him grow his game and become a legitimate star in the league. I'll never forget the year he was called up from the Marlies, he was literally the only reason I kept watching the rest of that tire fire team, he represented hope. People compare and contrast, but quite honestly, that's not what's going on here, they actively cheer for Mitch to fail, they immediately run here to soft bash any good result, it is pathetic to my mind. There's a big difference between "camps" and this garbage. I've read some really good critiques about Marner here, fair, reasonable, warranted. But, as with all social media I separate the wheat from the chaff, and I don't have to have any respect for low brow haters, no matter how many of them band together like they're the "factual" ones. It's a joke to me.

If Nylander and Marner do well, us fans get what we want. Any other mental metric, there's something wrong with you. And I'm sorry you've been dunked on in the past, maybe have some game.

This team needs Marner, and our won loss record without him isn't some statistical anomaly, no matter what we tell ourselves. If you believe we should trade him for a valuable return that would better address our needs, that's fair comment. I don't agree, but those posters come from an honest point of view.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I have to say that the lengths the Marner/Nylander camps go to in support of their guy and against the other guy are really something. Both have incredible strengths to their games but both have serious flaws to their games as well. To me all this debate is more about a style preference than the actual players themselves.

Serious flaw is an overstatement, at least IMO. Nylander's "flaw" is that he's not strong defensively, though he is better this season. Marner's just a well rounded player with no real flaws, my only complaint about him is that he seems to fade away after 86 games. Not sure what to call that, is it a flaw? Is it just one of those things? Shambles of the brain? Will it keep happening or will it never happen again? I don't know what to make of it because I've never seen anything like it but for those first 86 games every season, he's money in the bank. And hey, maybe he kills it this spring, and every spring going forward, one can hope right?

I'm in neither "camp" and I think they're close to equal value. As of today I would take Nylander because he doesn't fade away after 86 games, he just keeps on trucking and seems like he doesn't know the meaning of the word pressure. But it's not out of the question that Marner outplays him this spring in which case I'll say yup, I should have taken Marner.

It seems like it's hard to have a serious discussion about Marner any more because he has a few fans that are so sensitive and so rabid that all you have to do is interrupt their circle jerk by mentioning the word playoffs, and you get labelled a hater. And one of those people who labelled me a hater a long time ago even called me "insane" for saying I'd take Nylander over Marner in a close decision as of right now. It's unfortunate but I guess that's the way internet forums work, a small number of loudmouths make things difficult for everyone else.

This idea of "camps" is bullshit, I don't actively cheer against any of our players. When Willie succeeds I enjoy every second of it, we've watched him grow his game and become a legitimate star in the league. I'll never forget the year he was called up from the Marlies, he was literally the only reason I kept watching the rest of that tire fire team, he represented hope. People compare and contrast, but quite honestly, that's not what's going on here, they actively cheer for Mitch to fail, they immediately run here to soft bash any good result, it is pathetic to my mind. There's a big difference between "camps" and this garbage. I've read some really good critiques about Marner here, fair, reasonable, warranted. But, as with all social media I separate the wheat from the chaff, and I don't have to have any respect for low brow haters, no matter how many of them band together like they're the "factual" ones. It's a joke to me.

If Nylander and Marner do well, us fans get what we want. Any other mental metric, there's something wrong with you. And I'm sorry you've been dunked on in the past, maybe have some game.

This team needs Marner, and our won loss record without him isn't some statistical anomaly, no matter what we tell ourselves. If you believe we should trade him for a valuable return that would better address our needs, that's fair comment. I don't agree, but those posters come from an honest point of view.

This is a ridiculous lie and is exactly the kind of bullshit that has taken the place of intelligent conversation. You keep repeating this kind of nonsense, funny how you can never show examples of anyone doing this sort if thing, you just yell at these clouds that exist only in your imagination.

 

[diceman934]

If you're going to keep ignoring what I said, why bother responding?

No offence but it's hard to take you seriously when you say Marner "needs guys to finish for him".

Lol...I replied to the only point of your posted that needed a reply.




Never change....before last playoffs you and others stated that Marner disappeared in the playoffs. Then he got 14 points in 11 games and was a plus 7.... and now it is he disappeared after 86 games.
So no matter what he does you will not be happy with him.

You simply dislike him for no reason. It is ok but just admit it....own it.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

This idea of "camps" is bullshit, I don't actively cheer against any of our players. When Willie succeeds I enjoy every second of it, we've watched him grow his game and become a legitimate star in the league. I'll never forget the year he was called up from the Marlies, he was literally the only reason I kept watching the rest of that tire fire team, he represented hope. People compare and contrast, but quite honestly, that's not what's going on here, they actively cheer for Mitch to fail, they immediately run here to soft bash any good result, it is pathetic to my mind. There's a big difference between "camps" and this garbage. I've read some really good critiques about Marner here, fair, reasonable, warranted. But, as with all social media I separate the wheat from the chaff, and I don't have to have any respect for low brow haters, no matter how many of them band together like they're the "factual" ones. It's a joke to me.

If Nylander and Marner do well, us fans get what we want. Any other mental metric, there's something wrong with you. And I'm sorry you've been dunked on in the past, maybe have some game.

This team needs Marner, and our won loss record without him isn't some statistical anomaly, no matter what we tell ourselves. If you believe we should trade him for a valuable return that would better address our needs, that's fair comment. I don't agree, but those posters come from an honest point of view.

You're welcome to swap camp for preference or anything else you like. Apparently we don't have the same definition of it anyway.

 

[DarkKnight]

You're welcome to swap camp for preference or anything else you like. Apparently we don't have the same definition of it anyway.

Well preference is just compare and contrast which is all people do in sport. I think we're lucky to have both of them, so while I prefer, I don't see why I have to choose.

 

[Notsince67]

Same cesspool here with the same characters seeking drama.
No wonder this place has dropped off any insightful hockey content.

 

[Mr_Fun]

This idea of "camps" is bullshit, I don't actively cheer against any of our players. When Willie succeeds I enjoy every second of it, we've watched him grow his game and become a legitimate star in the league. I'll never forget the year he was called up from the Marlies, he was literally the only reason I kept watching the rest of that tire fire team, he represented hope. People compare and contrast, but quite honestly, that's not what's going on here, they actively cheer for Mitch to fail, they immediately run here to soft bash any good result, it is pathetic to my mind. There's a big difference between "camps" and this garbage. I've read some really good critiques about Marner here, fair, reasonable, warranted. But, as with all social media I separate the wheat from the chaff, and I don't have to have any respect for low brow haters, no matter how many of them band together like they're the "factual" ones. It's a joke to me.

If Nylander and Marner do well, us fans get what we want. Any other mental metric, there's something wrong with you. And I'm sorry you've been dunked on in the past, maybe have some game.

This team needs Marner, and our won loss record without him isn't some statistical anomaly, no matter what we tell ourselves. If you believe we should trade him for a valuable return that would better address our needs, that's fair comment. I don't agree, but those posters come from an honest point of view.

All of that. My only addition here is the darker side when purported Leaf fans thought it was kind of funny (perhaps a twisted sense of karma in their minds) when Mitch got robbed of his car at gunpoint. TBF, I didn't see evidence of this here but there was quite a bit on places like TikTok and Twitter.

 

[Antropovsky]

Same cesspool here with the same characters seeking drama.
No wonder this place has dropped off any insightful hockey content.

Yup... Marner constantly complaining about social media and the media being hard to please. Damn! The "same characters" on this major social media platform HFBOARDS sure have managed to get under Marners skin. Certainly doesn't seem like "the same characters" you speak of aren't part of the majority and you are part of the minority.

 

[Antropovsky]

Apparently Bruce Broudreau hasn't noticed that Marner is the head of the snake.

https://x.com/sunhornby/status/1766124459822338345?s=20

https://x.com/sunhornby/status/1766124459822338345?s=20

 

[ZEBROA]

Serious flaw is an overstatement, at least IMO. Nylander's "flaw" is that he's not strong defensively, though he is better this season. Marner's just a well rounded player with no real flaws, my only complaint about him is that he seems to fade away after 86 games. Not sure what to call that, is it a flaw? Is it just one of those things? Shambles of the brain? Will it keep happening or will it never happen again? I don't know what to make of it because I've never seen anything like it but for those first 86 games every season, he's money in the bank. And hey, maybe he kills it this spring, and every spring going forward, one can hope right?

I'm in neither "camp" and I think they're close to equal value. As of today I would take Nylander because he doesn't fade away after 86 games, he just keeps on trucking and seems like he doesn't know the meaning of the word pressure. But it's not out of the question that Marner outplays him this spring in which case I'll say yup, I should have taken Marner.

It seems like it's hard to have a serious discussion about Marner any more because he has a few fans that are so sensitive and so rabid that all you have to do is interrupt their circle jerk by mentioning the word playoffs, and you get labelled a hater. And one of those people who labelled me a hater a long time ago even called me "insane" for saying I'd take Nylander over Marner in a close decision as of right now. It's unfortunate but I guess that's the way internet forums work, a small number of loudmouths make things difficult for everyone else.


This is a ridiculous lie and is exactly the kind of bullshit that has taken the place of intelligent conversation. You keep repeating this kind of nonsense, funny how you can never show examples of anyone doing this sort if thing, you just yell at these clouds that exist only in your imagination.

Marners most serious flaw is talking to media.
And being his best when it counts the most.

That said we need them all to be at the top of there game in the playoffs.
We could make it without one of the top 4. But the odds would be way worse.

 

[BayStBullies]

Any news on if he will play next game? Would you start him in fantasy for the week?

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

I’m sure everyone agrees that this team is pretty much unwatchable when Marner is out of the lineup.

There was a total lack of creativity for sure. Marner is the engine of the team.