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Player Discussion Mitch Marner

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JL17 said:
If he’s not winning a Cup or any awards I doubt he’s going to the HOF. Same goes for Tavares he’s not going either at this stage.
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He has had 6 years in a row where his point trend normalized for 82 games were 93+ points.
4 of the last of those years, his 82 game pace was 100+ points
These trends are each and every year. His last 3 year average was 105 pts pace.
I don't think your doubts hold a lot of water.
Unless he gets knocked out of the league, he looks like a lock. Only 5 players in the league have higher points than he did in the last 6. He has yet to turn 27.
 
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Dreakmur said:
I’m talking about everyone we signed after the flat cap. It wasn’t just the non-Leafs who had their contracts suppressed.

Brodie, Kampf, Campbell, Jarnkrok, Simmonds, Bunting, etc. all those guys get more than they did if the cap raised.
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Campbell was overpaid I think everyone would agree and the others are meh. We got Jarnkrok and Brodie suppressed while other teams got their superstars suppressed.

Huge difference.
 
666 said:
It must drive you haters nuts knowing that Marner's going to get paid somewhere around $12.5M x 8 and you're going to have to suffer at least another 9 more years watching the second greatest Leaf in the modern era reach the Hall of Fame. You'd probably be better off not even being a Leafs fan for the next decade or so.
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Im here to watch the "Leafs" win a cup. I don't care if the player Mitch Marner gets into the Hall of Fame one bit. I've watched him for 8 years... I know I wouldn't lose one day of sleep knowing I'm not going to see his soft play, his regular complaining, or his dreadful playoff efforts.
 
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Antropovsky said:
Im here to watch the "Leafs" win a cup. I don't care if the player Mitch Marner gets into the Hall of Fame one bit. I've watched him for 8 years... I know I wouldn't lose one day of sleep knowing I'm not going to see his soft play, his regular complaining, or his dreadful playoff efforts.
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That's not the point because Marner will be re-signing with the Leafs and you and the rest of the haters are going to be miserable and posting your constant whining for the next decade.
 
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One thing that I like about MM so far this season is that he didn’t try his cute highlight reel plays when he struggles with points like seasons past. Rather he kept simplifying his game and doing the ordinary.
That’s what he needs to do in playoffs.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
One thing that I like about MM so far this season is that he didn’t try his cute highlight wheel plays when he struggles with points like seasons past. Rather he kept simplifying his game and doing the ordinary.
That’s what he needs to do in playoffs.
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That’s what he did up until just before the All Star Break. He’s turned around since the All Star Break and since he missed the game with the illness he’s been even.
 
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Smif said:
Campbell was overpaid I think everyone would agree and the others are meh. We got Jarnkrok and Brodie suppressed while other teams got their superstars suppressed.
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They all get suppressed by the same market factors. Less money available means everyone takes a cut, and the middle class would feel that a lot more than the top end.

Smif said:
Huge difference.
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How much of a difference exactly?
 
Smif said:
We signed our big three prior to the flat cap.

Or do you mean the other guys that came in? If so, it was always an exchange of players, one contract comes off, one ufa comes in for the same amount.
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We got screwed locking up half our cap prior to the pandemic, whereas most teams would have been less, maybe a quarter. The rest evens out with increasing market rates.

If you do the math, our average annual disadvantage probably works out to about half of Marners overpay. It's an embarrassing excuse on the whole.
 
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All contracts are signed with the expectations of a rising cap.

If everyone knew then what we know now, all big contracts signed though the flat cap would have been significantly lower. The cap was projected to be close to 10 million higher right now without covid.

As the team that signed all their big guns right before the freeze, we got screwed the hardest and we have to just bend over and take it too. I'd love to have another 10 million to throw around right now, thats for sure.

It would be interesting to think what Matthews/Marner/Tavares would look like though.

Tavares 10ish, Marner 9.5 and Matthews 11ish probably look a lot better to some.

Dreakmur said:
The team that may have been hit hardest was Tampa Bay trying to keep their team together.
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Yea, all cap teams got wrecked pretty hard.
 
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Zybalto said:
All contracts are signed with the expectations of a rising cap.

If everyone knew then what we know now, all big contracts signed though the flat cap would have been significantly lower. The cap was projected to be close to 10 million higher right now without covid.

As the team that signed all their big guns right before the freeze, we got screwed the hardest and we have to just bend over and take it too. I'd love to have another 10 million to throw around right now, thats for sure.

It would be interesting to think what Matthews/Marner/Tavares would look like though.

Tavares 10ish, Marner 9.5 and Matthews 11ish probably look a lot better to some.



Yea, all cap teams got wrecked pretty hard.
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Arguably, imo we got hit the hardest. There could be a case made for Reilly's new contract, but I still believe we got hit the hardest.
 
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Marner haters, tough gig lol.

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Zybalto said:
All contracts are signed with the expectations of a rising cap.

If everyone knew then what we know now, all big contracts signed though the flat cap would have been significantly lower. The cap was projected to be close to 10 million higher right now without covid.

As the team that signed all their big guns right before the freeze, we got screwed the hardest and we have to just bend over and take it too. I'd love to have another 10 million to throw around right now, thats for sure.

It would be interesting to think what Matthews/Marner/Tavares would look like though.

Tavares 10ish, Marner 9.5 and Matthews 11ish probably look a lot better to some.



Yea, all cap teams got wrecked pretty hard.
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We only got hit the hardest bc we have three of the top seven salaries in the league.
Honestly, I don’t think a lot of the contracts will be higher than or closer to 11mil even if COVID didn’t happened.
Pietra, Rosi, Jones, Makar all signed during the COVID period and I don’t think any of them will be close to 11mil.
 
LeafEgo said:
We got screwed locking up half our cap prior to the pandemic, whereas most teams would have been less, maybe a quarter. The rest evens out with increasing market rates.

If you do the math, our average annual disadvantage probably works out to about half of Marners overpay. It's an embarrassing excuse on the whole.
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No, it's 5% of the cap x 3 yrs which is about 12M that we expected to have and didn't get. The cap was projected to be $94M right now rather than the 83.5M currently and 88M next year.
 
Gabriel426 said:
We only got hit the hardest bc we have three of the top seven salaries in the league.
Honestly, I don’t think a lot of the contracts will be higher than or closer to 11mil even if COVID didn’t happened.
Pietra, Rosi, Jones, Makar all signed during the COVID period and I don’t think any of them will be close to 11mil.
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Based on what?

You named 4 defensemen, the two biggest contracts signed before the flat cap were Doughty and Karlsson which were both $11M+.

Believe it or not, players are signing based on projected percentage of cap.
 
Smif said:
Based on what?

You named 4 defensemen, the two biggest contracts signed before the flat cap were Doughty and Karlsson which were both $11M+.

Believe it or not, players are signing based on projected percentage of cap.
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Did the cap dropped due to COVID? Or did it still increase a mil and pretty much remained the same?

Since the cap didn’t drop and also increased a little each year. How many contracts were over 12mil? How many were over 11mil?

The excuse of if only COVID didn’t happened, the Leafs cap structure won’t look bad is not as strong as one would think. Since only LA had more than one player over 10mil/yr along with the Leafs.

If anything, I would argue COVID might had helped Leafs get mid 6 and mid pairing Dmen cheaper due to not being inflated by the rising cap.
 
Marner is stupid hot too at moment. Pass yesterday was sick. Have made my peace with all the rest of core, he still needs to show in playoffs.
 
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Squiffy said:
Marner is stupid hot too at moment. Pass yesterday was sick. Have made my peace with all the rest of core, he still needs to show in playoffs.
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To be honest, I think this is the first time in a long time that the big four are all playing well at the same time.
 
Smif said:
You have to factor in caliber of player, which you don't want to do. You bring up Brodie and Jarnkrok whereas other teams got discounts on their star players. Call it a fabrication all you want but it's pretty common sense.
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How exactly do you factor in any kind of player? You say the better the player, the more they lose, but that’s not exactly how leverage works in negotiations. Better players have more leverage, and that makes them harder to squeeze.
 
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