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DarkKnight
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Epsecially Leafs fans that have spent so much time watching garbage hockey players, to be so messed up you can't watch a guy who's number will be retired, it's sad. I recall some of the same nonsense about Sundin, I have a signed jersey in my closet, special is special, cherish it.
Canadian Finn
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no, no, no, no, no, no and NO.
i was told resoundingly over and over that the future of the player impacts the contract, not what they currently have done.
you, yourself spouted that over and over (and over).
how can you possibly turn back and now suggest that only stuff that happens prior to the contract impacts a contract.
you yourself literally championed that it's the future potential that impacts a contract, and not what happens prior to a contract.
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You’re not suppose to have a good memory around here
Gary Nylund
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Indeed. The stuff that seems to be coming courtesy of my ignore list is pure comedy gold. But some of the stuff I can read for myself ain't bad either.
It's bizarre how some of you just don't get that hockey is a team sport, maybe all these years of watching playoff losers has made you forget what it feels like to have your team go deep in the playoffs. That's something everyone thought they'd have done for sure by now, but in the playoffs they just keep losing and losing and losing and losing.
This team is a playoff loser and to me, that's extremely disappointing. Good regular season team, but 7 consecutive seasons of sub .500 performance in the playoffs. If that's enough for you and you want to spend your money on more jerseys to hang in your closet, then I'm happy for you, I really am. Still bizarre though.
So this season Marner stats look bad without Matthews, thought I'd check Matthews hart season. 2022 even strength (Matthews hart year):
Marner cf% with Matthews: 62%
Marner cf℅ without Matthews: 45%
Matthew's cf% without Marner: 56%
Again, someone certainly struggles more without the other.
between Nylander, Marner and Tavares, Marner is the only one whose cf% drops below 50% without Matthews.
Racer88
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Funny enough... The cycle will continue...Some of us will probably do the same thing in the future
So it is nice to enjoy the present.
DarkKnight
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And if he fails in the playoffs, I’ll spend this summer, like the last two, not posting once in this thread defending him.Funny enough... The cycle will continue...Some of us will probably do the same thing in the future
So it is nice to enjoy the present.
Well for me it all depends on who we match up against. If it’s against a top 4 team I don’t expect to advance.
ACC1224
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It'll be a special time regardless how he plays, it always is.
DarkKnight
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Chicago Blackhawks 2.0 except they just ran into the 2012 Coyotoes for 7 years in a row.
Gosh that dang bad luck.
Dreakmur
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. I've always said that it's only what happens prior to the signing of a contract that determines a contract. It's literally impossible for anything else to be true. The future is not known. I imagine you're confusing two ideas. You're paid for how you project over the contract you're signing, but how you project over that contract is entirely based on what happens pre-signing. If somebody's trajectory skews after signing a contract, that's not going to be reflected in the contract.
I wish people did. Then they'd actually get what I've said right.
Canadian Finn
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ok dekes, I'll take it back then. I was 99.9% sure it was you who during the first round of signings of the kids argued (in great detail) that are signings were not based on what they did thus far, but for their future potentials...and that great Dubas was ahead of the rest of the league GM's for recognizing this.
but if that doesn't sound familiar, I apologize, and am getting mixed up (and thus, I guess not so good memory).
but if that doesn't sound familiar, I apologize, and am getting mixed up (and thus, I guess not so good memory).
Montreal was the only disappointment year for me. Other years we were never Cup favourites anyway and betting on an underdog seems foolish. I really wouldn’t care if they won 2 rounds, big deal.Indeed. The stuff that seems to be coming courtesy of my ignore list is pure comedy gold. But some of the stuff I can read for myself ain't bad either.
It's bizarre how some of you just don't get that hockey is a team sport, maybe all these years of watching playoff losers has made you forget what it feels like to have your team go deep in the playoffs. That's something everyone thought they'd have done for sure by now, but in the playoffs they just keep losing and losing and losing and losing.
This team is a playoff loser and to me, that's extremely disappointing. Good regular season team, but 7 consecutive seasons of sub .500 performance in the playoffs. If that's enough for you and you want to spend your money on more jerseys to hang in your closet, then I'm happy for you, I really am. Still bizarre though.
You probably would have been a good lawyer as well. lol!I've been disappointed for 6 years in a row, here's why:
1)
We've never been "cup favorites", but we have been among the top half dozen or so favorites most years.
2)
After losing to WSH, we went to one deciding game for 5 years in a row, I think it's fair to say every single one of them was therefore winnable, and I don't know how losing all 5 can be called anything but a disappointment.
3)
In the 4 year stretch BOS/CLB/MTL/TB, we scored a grand total of 3 goals in the 4 deciding games, again I can't see that as anything but a huge disappointment.
4)
We were underdogs in many of those years, but not big underdogs - again, note that we took every series to the limit for many years. So of course it's disappointing to lose them all. Especially when in every series we lost, we weren't as big underdogs as we were favorites against MTL and FLA and that's probably the biggest disappointment of all, losing when you're a massive favorite is pretty bad.
5)
MTL was the biggest disappointment for me as well, until last spring. On paper, that was the best Leaf team I've ever seen and we finished higher in the standings than ever before with this core. We also added big time at the TDL, that was IMO our best chance at a cup in over 50 years. Watching us go down 2-0 to Florida as a massive favorite and then watching Marner fumble the puck all over the ice in game 3 like it was his first time holding a hockey stick was your basic nightmare. I really thought we had a shot at the cup and instead, we got blown out by a team that was a huge underdog. Disappointing doesn't begin to cover it.
And to sum up, in the last 7 years with this core, we've been a better than .500 team every season, much better in fact. To follow that up with 7 years of sub .500 playoffs, again, I just can't describe that as anything but disappointing.
Winning two rounds isn't the cup, but it's the best I've ever seen this team do, and it's better than not winning two rounds, that's for damn sure. If you would have asked me 7 years ago how many times we'd have won at least 2 rounds by now, I would have said probably 4 or more. The fact that the answer to that question today is a big fat zero is ... you guessed it, disappointing. JMHO.
They got into a huge debate one time. That was one of the most amusing days in these parts no question. It was like watching identical twins do battle, all the same moves, the same twisting each others words around, the same straw man nonsense, it was absolutely hilarious!
Gary Nylund
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Thanks! If I could do my life over, it's quite possible I would have gone down that path.
Indeed it is.
Evilhomer
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I don't recommend it. If I had to do it over, it would be one of the last professions I would choose.
Could have been Larry Robinson, not too shabby anyway… lol. Reminds me of the time everyone couldn’t believe Dryden gave up hockey for law school. Even the play by play guy, Dick Irwin commented how many lawyers make 250 grand a year {that was like 1975?}
Racer88
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Two points.I've been disappointed for 6 years in a row, here's why:
1)
We've never been "cup favorites", but we have been among the top half dozen or so favorites most years.
2)
After losing to WSH, we went to one deciding game for 5 years in a row, I think it's fair to say every single one of them was therefore winnable, and I don't know how losing all 5 can be called anything but a disappointment.
3)
In the 4 year stretch BOS/CLB/MTL/TB, we scored a grand total of 3 goals in the 4 deciding games, again I can't see that as anything but a huge disappointment.
4)
We were underdogs in many of those years, but not big underdogs - again, note that we took every series to the limit for many years. So of course it's disappointing to lose them all. Especially when in every series we lost, we weren't as big underdogs as we were favorites against MTL and FLA and that's probably the biggest disappointment of all, losing when you're a massive favorite is pretty bad.
5)
MTL was the biggest disappointment for me as well, until last spring. On paper, that was the best Leaf team I've ever seen and we finished higher in the standings than ever before with this core. We also added big time at the TDL, that was IMO our best chance at a cup in over 50 years. Watching us go down 2-0 to Florida as a massive favorite and then watching Marner fumble the puck all over the ice in game 3 like it was his first time holding a hockey stick was your basic nightmare. I really thought we had a shot at the cup and instead, we got blown out by a team that was a huge underdog. Disappointing doesn't begin to cover it.
And to sum up, in the last 7 years with this core, we've been a better than .500 team every season, much better in fact. To follow that up with 7 years of sub .500 playoffs, again, I just can't describe that as anything but disappointing.
Winning two rounds isn't the cup, but it's the best I've ever seen this team do, and it's better than not winning two rounds, that's for damn sure. If you would have asked me 7 years ago how many times we'd have won at least 2 rounds by now, I would have said probably 4 or more. The fact that the answer to that question today is a big fat zero is ... you guessed it, disappointing. JMHO.
They got into a huge debate one time. That was one of the most amusing days in these parts no question. It was like watching identical twins do battle, all the same moves, the same twisting each others words around, the same straw man nonsense, it was absolutely hilarious!
Your first response about 6 years of disappointment I agree with every word you typed.
Second point……..I argue with myself all the time. lol
"Tearing it up when he plays with him"
Maybe the stat page I'm looking at is wrong, but this is the stats they have for Marner and Matthews together.
Marner points on Matthews goals last 3 playoffs at 5vs5:
25 games (330 mins): 3 primary assists, 1 secondary assist.
Am I missing something? I must be, this cant be your definition of tearing it up.
Raging Bull
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Another 3 assists so far from that piece of shit playoff under performer.
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