Really? I had no idea thanks for explaining.
Most high end players aren't paid as much as these 4. Most teams don't have 4 players in the top 10 cap hits (starting next year), or even 3 of the top 7 or whatever it is this year.
They still play with very good players.
Like I said, spread the wealth. If you can't afford depth, create it by splitting up the overpaid 4. It stacking them all together hasn't worked for 7 f***ing years, why would it work the 8th time?
If you have 4 lines, the overpaid 4 all still average over 20 mins a night with special teams play.
Not sure how cap hits are relevant to the fact that high-end players play with other high-end players.
It's very possible to have good depth with the players making what they are. Regardless, the depth players aren't changing. Giving our best players less minutes, giving them linemates who are more likely to flub the chances they create, and disrupting the roles of different lines isn't going to help anything.
The Marner lovers are pretty funny with all this "most beloved player on the team crap". How is this "love" being measured exactly I wonder? And how do these lovers know what goes in in the dressing room? If he's the most loved, who's the second most loved?
Those are indeed the facts. I've been watching hockey for 50 years and I've never seen anything like it.
The Marner lovers are pretty funny with all this "most beloved player on the team crap". How is this "love" being measured exactly I wonder? And how do these lovers know what goes in in the dressing room? If he's the most loved, who's the second most loved?
The truth is, players almost never say one bad word about their teammates. If people really care about how loved Marner is or isn't, you'll have to wait until he's no longer a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs, then the real truth will start to come out. And who gives a f*** anyway, help the team go deep in the playoffs is all I ask for.
Those are indeed the facts. I've been watching hockey for 50 years and I've never seen anything like it.
Cap hits are relevant because if the high end players are paid appropriate to their production, the team can afford proper bottom 6 forwards, defence, and goaltending. Thus allowing them to put the high end players together without being forced to play nearly half the game with league minimum players on the ice. It's really not a hard concept to grasp
Do people really exist who think cap hits are irrelevant? Just wow!
I am great. Pay me $13.25m, but I want to play with Mitch.
It's exactly how we got into this mess.
I'd like to see Mitch the Bitch play on that 4th line for his contract year, but otherwise I like that lineup.
The best players would still get their 20ish mins per night once special teams are factored in.Giving the best players less ice time while giving the bottom players more is certainly a bold strategy .
Not that I'm an advanced stats kind of guy, but the stats that were put up seem to say "lots of chances, low results." I read somewhere that Matthews shots on average show as being from farther out in the playoffs, somewhere in the neighborhood of 6.5 feet farther out.
Maybe if Torts was coach and Lou was GM but these are the Leafs who played Marner the pending RFA with Tavares and he thanked them by extracting every penny he could. These guys are regular season warriors who love to put up the points but you will never win you a SC. I honestly thought 34 and these guys were going to finally bring us a SC after the series with the Caps. Once they took every penny they could take and continue to, I no longer see it.
Our high-end players are paid appropriately, and we can afford proper bottom 6 forwards, defense, and goaltending. We have plenty of players above league minimum beyond the core-4. There is zero benefit to playing superstars in the bottom-six.
I'm not happy with the playoff outcomes we've had in the past 7 years, but our playoff outcomes aren't a result of playing our best forwards in the top six.
If you genuinely believe the bolded then there's not much point in continuing this discussion.
Nothing this team has done in the last 7 years has been logical, except for the ROR and Schenn trades last deadline
, our high end players are paid accordingly? Matthews yes. Nylander is overpaid when his $11.5 mil kicks in. Tavares is overpaid. Marner has been overpaid and depending on his ask, probably again. Marner has been making Pastrnak money for 5 years, and Pastrnak just signed last year. If you don’t see the problem there…..
I was just about to say that I thought Marner played well against TB 2 years ago but I just looked at the game logs and he fit that same pattern there as well - kicked ass for the first 4 games, then 0 goals and 2 assists in the next 3.
I think putting him on the 4th line is a bit much, I really like that lineup as it is. f***ing Keefe will never do this though, of that I have no doubt.
Name me a team other than the Leafs with an $11+m C and and $11m winger? Next year we will have 2 but Shanny will continue to tell us we will win with these guys.
33 year old Tavares is the only one that may struggle to live up to his cap hit, and that doesn't change anything about the rest of the point.
I do see a problem. You picked out one of the most outperformed contracts in the league, and are claiming that as the standard for being paid appropriately.
I seem to remember that just last year MM hooking up with Tkachuk and taking quite a few in the mouth, while across the ice Stamkos was was using 34s helmet as a speed bag.
